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Birthing question
    #21973492 - 07/20/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've got five jars that have been fully colonized (kinda..) for a week and the twi small ones have started to pin, now should I still dunk and roll the two small ones or just dunk and sprinkle?
Also the bigger 3 have halted and havn't started to pin and they're older then the two smaller jars.
Any help? Is my project still good?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #21973535 - 07/20/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Dunk and roll dem bitches


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Chakatron]
    #21973827 - 07/21/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If they were jars and this still applies to whatever those are, when they start to pin inside they're like SKKRRRRR they are babies ready for birth. Dunk and roll the two, and SPRINKLE some verm on the top. I'd wait until the other 3 pin but it has been more than a week.. I birthed some of my jars a few days under and they laughed at me while trying to finish colonizing in the fruiting chamber. Must be size of the container it's in but the moisture seems healthy. Too much volume causing CO2 buildup in there?? Might just be the substrate or colonization time of the "strain"

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Re: Birthing question [Re: YoYoSpores]
    #21974668 - 07/21/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you my good people! Update will be comming shortly!
Up, Up! And away!!!!


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #21978321 - 07/22/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It has begun!

Going to instal a cool mister today and add 3 more cakes


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #21978335 - 07/22/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Birthing question [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21999090 - 07/26/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So these are my cakes. The teo that are pinning came out about 11 days ago and the other 3 were birthed a day later... Now the two that are pinning arent piining alot and alot of baby pins are becoming bluish... And the other three arent pinning at sll and are becoming bluish..
Help??!!


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #21999095 - 07/26/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They are sitting in a shotgun terrerium with 4" of damp perlite. The moisture is at about 91% and temperature is between 71-75


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #21999104 - 07/26/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Have you been misting/fanning three times a day? They look good, the foil just needs to be cut down to the size of the cake, it's preventing the surrounding perlite from doing its job. Other than that, just keep waiting. :goodluck:


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #21999106 - 07/26/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How far drilled are your holes? Do you have bottom holes?

Raise your SGFC so it's 6-12" off the ground and 6-12" from any wall. They're bruising blue from being dry, how often do you mist?

Did you recently handle them?

Lose the hygrometer, they're unreliable.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #21999162 - 07/26/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have many holes in the bottom of the chamber the box is about two feet of the ground on two bottles that sit on a chair.
I mist and fan about 4-5 times a day but i eork from 9-5 so fanning and misting acore at morning then at the afternoon, evening and night (sometimes at lunchbreak if I have time to run home)
It's weird because the 3 cakes that aren't pinning were made a few days before rhe two that are.
And what do you guys suggest I use to know the humidity and temperature?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #21999192 - 07/26/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If your SGFC is properly constructed, you shouldn't worry about the humidity levels. You stated before that your temp is between 71-75f, that's perfect.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21999218 - 07/26/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Bluish without handling like you're experiencing normally means lack of FAE. They blue because there's not enough humidity in the air.

Cut back your foil to a perfect circle around your cake. Can you show me where your sgfc is placed in your room?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #21999275 - 07/26/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I modified the tin foil and here is were the chamber is positioned in the room



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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #21999459 - 07/26/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There's your problem,
Get it off the SAB and put it under a few qt jars. It's restricting air flow from the bottom, even with those wide open holes. If you can move it out closer to the center of the room that would also be very beneficial.

Are you sure that's 4" of perlite? Stick your finger an inch down there, is it wet? Do you mist the perlite directly?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #21999538 - 07/26/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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There's your problem,
Get it off the SAB and put it under a few qt jars. It's restricting air flow from the bottom, even with those wide open holes. If you can move it out closer to the center of the room that would also be very beneficial.

Are you sure that's 4" of perlite? Stick your finger an inch down there, is it wet? Do you mist the perlite directly?




Well it turns out i only have 2" of perlite... Can i take out the perlite and add more then put it back? Or just add more perlite?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #21999552 - 07/26/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can just add more perlite. The wet perlite will mix with the other perlite and provide a great environment.

Alternatively, since you're wetting perlite anyway, you can just restart the chamber by getting it all and soaking it together. I just hate the mess perlite causes :lol:

I thought it looked weird but took your word for it that it was 4 :lol:.

That will help immensely :thumbup:


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #21999678 - 07/26/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Can I just take out the cakes and add perlite then put it in the shower?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #21999682 - 07/26/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yup :super:


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22008421 - 07/28/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well I added perlite but everything is gerting weird..
First they are still getting blue and dome baby pin have gone dark. Now should I pick the bigger ones? (I dont know exactly when the viel breaks.. Here some pics, help would be nice right lol.
I'm going to add a air pump and an air stone so if anyone has some pointers thatd be great!
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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22008427 - 07/28/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The one with the black head in that pic is an abort.

The ones that have opened are done, pick them.

You don't need an air pump or an air stone, they look fine, the bluing base could just be from humidity or if you mist the pin directly.

How close are you when you mist? Does your mister send out a fine stream or let out big fat drops?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22008437 - 07/28/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In the 3rd picture (starting from the top left). The part that looks almost folded back is the veil. It looks to have broken on quite a few of the bigger shrooms.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22008453 - 07/28/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When the veil is beginning to separate from the gills on the underside of the cap, then that's the right time to pick. Pic 5 is a pretty good example.
Here's another example, these were picked at the right time:


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22008526 - 07/28/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Pick the big ones NOW. The veil is the thin membrane on the stem. Its ready to pick when the caps begin to open. The small ones are aborts if the cap/head goes black and stops growing....you can pick those too.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Chakatron]
    #22008796 - 07/28/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well do i got an air pump and stone for free and I think I'll still add it to the project since I cant serm to pass the 91% in humidity.
Basiclly I should pick most of them... Should I cut them with a scalple or twist and pluck?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22008838 - 07/28/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Feel the shroom. Some are easily plucked, others will need the scissors. Depends on how they grew.

You. Don't. Want. 100%. Humidity.

There is no evaporation happening at 100% RH. The evaporation of moisture from the cakes is what causes pinning. At 100% humidity no evaporation is happening thus you will not get pins. Take a pic of your mister.

Your RH is perfect. 91 means theres still room in the air for more evaporation. The air stone will make it worse by drying out your cakes faster.

Imo, just do bulk :shrug:


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22012654 - 07/28/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

???? Is there anybody out there?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22012660 - 07/28/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22013173 - 07/29/15 03:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My SGFC is losing humidity, it started after I put in the air pump (and then took it out)
Its at 88% and the cakes are becoming slightly blue but new pins are forming... Should I dunk the cake that I harvested or just let the new pins grow? And humidity wise?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22013190 - 07/29/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, dunk the cakes.

The RH level in a SGFC is going to fluctuate....that's the nature of the beast.

It is a mistake to think that a constantly high RH is a good thing...there must be a fluctuation so evaporation can take place.

Do your self a favor and toss that hygrometer in the trash bin, where it belongs.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: PussyFart]
    #22014084 - 07/29/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Feel the shroom. Some are easily plucked, others will need the scissors. Depends on how they grew.

You. Don't. Want. 100%. Humidity.

There is no evaporation happening at 100% RH. The evaporation of moisture from the cakes is what causes pinning. At 100% humidity no evaporation is happening thus you will not get pins. Take a pic of your mister.

Your RH is perfect. 91 means theres still room in the air for more evaporation. The air stone will make it worse by drying out your cakes faster.

Imo, just do bulk :shrug:



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Yes, dunk the cakes.

The RH level in a SGFC is going to fluctuate....that's the nature of the beast.

It is a mistake to think that a constantly high RH is a good thing...there must be a fluctuation so evaporation can take place.

Do your self a favor and toss that hygrometer in the trash bin, where it belongs.



Look man.

Listen to people. They're going blue because there's to much forced air in there you're drying out your cakes. Dunk the one you harvested, mushrooms are 90% water, without it your pins will mature small or abort.

Stop. Using. The. Air. Stone. If you're not going to listen to me listen to the TC. Check out my thread in my link, I've grown a few mushrooms bro.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: PussyFart]
    #22014122 - 07/29/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes, dunk the cakes.

The RH level in a SGFC is going to fluctuate....that's the nature of the beast.

It is a mistake to think that a constantly high RH is a good thing...there must be a fluctuation so evaporation can take place.

Do your self a favor and toss that hygrometer in the trash bin, where it belongs.




Whats a good alternative for the hygrometer?
Also the perlite at the bottom of the FC is turning dark is that ok?
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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22014131 - 07/29/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You don't need a hygrometer at all, just toss it out, they're not meant for this environment. A properly built SGFC will maintain the needed humidity without any user input.

Is it turning dark green? That's algae. Algae is harmless to mushrooms but soak it in bleach water and give it a good rinse before using it again. Do you have miracle gro perlite by chance?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22014201 - 07/29/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

taGyo said:
Feel the shroom. Some are easily plucked, others will need the scissors. Depends on how they grew.

You. Don't. Want. 100%. Humidity.

There is no evaporation happening at 100% RH. The evaporation of moisture from the cakes is what causes pinning. At 100% humidity no evaporation is happening thus you will not get pins. Take a pic of your mister.

Your RH is perfect. 91 means theres still room in the air for more evaporation. The air stone will make it worse by drying out your cakes faster.

Imo, just do bulk :shrug:



Quote:

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Yes, dunk the cakes.

The RH level in a SGFC is going to fluctuate....that's the nature of the beast.

It is a mistake to think that a constantly high RH is a good thing...there must be a fluctuation so evaporation can take place.

Do your self a favor and toss that hygrometer in the trash bin, where it belongs.



Look man.

Listen to people. They're going blue because there's to much forced air in there you're drying out your cakes. Dunk the one you harvested, mushrooms are 90% water, without it your pins will mature small or abort.

Stop. Using. The. Air. Stone. If you're not going to listen to me listen to the TC. Check out my thread in my link, I've grown a few mushrooms bro.




I tossed the air stone as soon as you said, apparently we're speaking on two diffrent threads, like teo timelines to the same conversation...
So I threw out the airstone and the RH is at about 86% and I understand that it is natural but will it rise again?

I know I seem hard headed but I really am learning alot from all You guys
P.S I'm adding some pics of the dark perlite (note that some verm got mixed in by accident so I cant tell if its the verm or contam)
P.P.S and of the mister


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22014228 - 07/29/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Okay.

You have a heavy mister, those are decent for this hobby but it releases thick globs of water which I've found hurts my cake. I'm not sure how yours is but mine used to leave my cakes blue until I got one from home depot:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/RL-Flo-Master-4-pt-Hand-Sprayer-56HD/100164531

You should bleach that and wash it thoroughly, maybe you can get away with just hot water. It shouldn't hurt the shrooms though.

Do you have 2 inches of perlite or 4 inches? You need 4 inches minimum.

80% humidity is perfect, you don't want it to rise. Re-read what PussyFart just said. You WANT fluctuation. 80% humidity means things will continue to evaporate and cause pins. But above all, leave the hygrometer out of this and watch your cakes.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22014445 - 07/29/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Okay.

You have a heavy mister, those are decent for this hobby but it releases thick globs of water which I've found hurts my cake. I'm not sure how yours is but mine used to leave my cakes blue until I got one from home depot:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/RL-Flo-Master-4-pt-Hand-Sprayer-56HD/100164531

You should bleach that and wash it thoroughly, maybe you can get away with just hot water. It shouldn't hurt the shrooms though.

Do you have 2 inches of perlite or 4 inches? You need 4 inches minimum.

80% humidity is perfect, you don't want it to rise. Re-read what PussyFart just said. You WANT fluctuation. 80% humidity means things will continue to evaporate and cause pins. But above all, leave the hygrometer out of this and watch your cakes.




I'm leaving the cakes to their own devices (dumped the hygro-shit as well) I got some more perlite, gonna soak and add more to reach 4-5"
now that I tossed the hygrometer' I still need to monitor temps right?
tempeture is a real hassle because I lived In a pretty hot climate so the AC is on constantly

I'll get that mister tommorow

Don't know what kind of perlite it is but it is from a shop that specializes in "exotic" plants

You kinda confused me with your last comment with the bleach washing, bleach the perlite now? or before next use?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22014456 - 07/29/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Take all the cakes out, add up to 4-5" of perlite and run it under your shower instead. try to mix it around to wash out that dark shit, warm water is better then cold water.

Yes, temps are much more important then humidity in an sgfc (to monitor).

That mister is great, you'll instantly see a difference, my advice is pump it up really good, even if it seems like it's at it's peak, just give it a few more pumps.

Yeah, chances are it had stuff on it already that was beneficial for a plant. You would mix the perlite with the soil to improve aeration most of the time.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22014507 - 07/29/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Take all the cakes out, add up to 4-5" of perlite and run it under your shower instead. try to mix it around to wash out that dark shit, warm water is better then cold water.

Yes, temps are much more important then humidity in an sgfc (to monitor).

That mister is great, you'll instantly see a difference, my advice is pump it up really good, even if it seems like it's at it's peak, just give it a few more pumps.

Yeah, chances are it had stuff on it already that was beneficial for a plant. You would mix the perlite with the soil to improve aeration most of the time.




the waters running :smile: thanks for the advice
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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22014518 - 07/29/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The perlite will solve a lot of your problems.

Now just make sure it gets a good amount of FAE :thumbup:


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22014736 - 07/29/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

apon further reading I found out that a fan in the room will fuck up with the humidity (I'm fan drying the previously picked caps) so I wanted to know if I move the fan and caps to lets say.. the closet, that would be ok?
also same question goes for the AC, does that fuck up FAE or humidity?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22014798 - 07/29/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, move the fan awy from the sgfc.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22018296 - 07/30/15 04:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

BIG UPDATE!
This site didn't let me upload any pic but any hoot...

So I dunk the harvested cake but it had some nasty spots were I picked brused caps and thiught to ask if any if this is still normal?






AND NOW! Its story time!
Last night I was fixing my FC and was pondering on why my 3 older cakes arnt pinning, Then I noticed that theres a pin coming from underneath the cake so I decided to flip them... YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN THE LOOK ON MY FACE!!!





THEY HAVE NOT FORSAKEN ME!!!!
I'm so relieved! I checked them this morning and some if them are starting to get blueish and theres aerial myc growing.
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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22018733 - 07/30/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The pins were growing on the underside of the cake because the humidity in the tub was too low(check if your perlite is too dry), and the space between the foil and the bottom of the cake provided a perfect microclimate for pin formation. Also, I would make sure to fan that tub out more often, aerial mycelium is an indicator that the cakes aren't receiving enough fresh air.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22018739 - 07/30/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Fanning isn't FAE. You'd have to fan several times an hour for it to be FAE. To increase FAE put it in a room with more air flow or further away from anything blocking the holes.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22018797 - 07/30/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Fanning isn't FAE. You'd have to fan several times an hour for it to be FAE. To increase FAE put it in a room with more air flow or further away from anything blocking the holes.




Well the tub is about in the center of my one room apartment, and I can't open the windows because I live in the sevenrh ring of hell and its 110 outside (it really is) and the AC Is the only thing keeping the tempeture sane.

Please help I couldn't find any solutions myself...


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22018808 - 07/30/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Fanning isn't FAE. You'd have to fan several times an hour for it to be FAE. To increase FAE put it in a room with more air flow or further away from anything blocking the holes.




Well the tub is about in the center of my one room apartment, and I can't open the windows because I live in the sevenrh ring of hell and its 110 outside (it really is) and the AC Is the only thing keeping the tempeture sane.

Please help I couldn't find any solutions myself...



The AC should be providing enough airflow in the room.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22018956 - 07/30/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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Fanning isn't FAE. You'd have to fan several times an hour for it to be FAE. To increase FAE put it in a room with more air flow or further away from anything blocking the holes.




Well the tub is about in the center of my one room apartment, and I can't open the windows because I live in the sevenrh ring of hell and its 110 outside (it really is) and the AC Is the only thing keeping the tempeture sane.

Please help I couldn't find any solutions myself...



The AC should be providing enough airflow in the room.




Great sucsess! Finally something That I did right:smile: now I hope they will survive my horrid mister

P.S if the AC is creating airflow then why is there still too much CO2 and not enough FAE? Biggers holes maybe?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22018970 - 07/30/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Call me crazy but it looks like you only have 2" of perlite in there.


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    #22018972 - 07/30/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Was the SGFC made to specifics? 1/4" holes every 2 inches on ALL six sides? Make sure you have the tub resting on mason jars or egg crates and not a flat surface. Airflow coming in through the bottom is very important.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22019129 - 07/30/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

God help you people and your inches...
This is what the FC looks like and where its postioned

The hole sizes and positions are not to spec (Used bad mesuring tools)
The hole sizes are about between 1/8-1/4 and holes spacing is about between 2-3 inches apart (on top and underneath fewer holes)
Can this be fixed? Or should I not meddle any further?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22019132 - 07/30/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Call me crazy but it looks like you only have 2" of perlite in there.



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God help you people and your inches...
This is what the FC looks like and where its postioned

The hole sizes and positions are not to spec (Used bad mesuring tools)
The hole sizes are about between 1/8-1/4 and holes spacing is about between 2-3 inches apart (on top and underneath fewer holes)
Can this be fixed? Or should I not meddle any further?



You'd have to remake your tote.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22019156 - 07/30/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

FML... That will have to wait until sunday....  Any advice on how to get them through the weekend?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22019190 - 07/30/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Keep doing what you're doing :thumbup:


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22019250 - 07/30/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Dude, I understand. Drilling hundreds of holes in a tote was not fun for me either. When my yields from cakes were on the lower side, I was like wtf am I doing all this work for? That's what got me thinking, bulk tubs sound a lot easier to make and fruits are bigger and more prolific. Never looked back since that day :lol:


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    #22019281 - 07/30/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Cakes are just the starting point, I'll never go back though.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22019313 - 07/30/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Link for a good tek? I like making shit happen.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22019782 - 07/30/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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