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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22008427 - 07/28/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The one with the black head in that pic is an abort.

The ones that have opened are done, pick them.

You don't need an air pump or an air stone, they look fine, the bluing base could just be from humidity or if you mist the pin directly.

How close are you when you mist? Does your mister send out a fine stream or let out big fat drops?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22008437 - 07/28/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In the 3rd picture (starting from the top left). The part that looks almost folded back is the veil. It looks to have broken on quite a few of the bigger shrooms.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22008453 - 07/28/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When the veil is beginning to separate from the gills on the underside of the cap, then that's the right time to pick. Pic 5 is a pretty good example.
Here's another example, these were picked at the right time:


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22008526 - 07/28/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Pick the big ones NOW. The veil is the thin membrane on the stem. Its ready to pick when the caps begin to open. The small ones are aborts if the cap/head goes black and stops growing....you can pick those too.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Chakatron]
    #22008796 - 07/28/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well do i got an air pump and stone for free and I think I'll still add it to the project since I cant serm to pass the 91% in humidity.
Basiclly I should pick most of them... Should I cut them with a scalple or twist and pluck?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22008838 - 07/28/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Feel the shroom. Some are easily plucked, others will need the scissors. Depends on how they grew.

You. Don't. Want. 100%. Humidity.

There is no evaporation happening at 100% RH. The evaporation of moisture from the cakes is what causes pinning. At 100% humidity no evaporation is happening thus you will not get pins. Take a pic of your mister.

Your RH is perfect. 91 means theres still room in the air for more evaporation. The air stone will make it worse by drying out your cakes faster.

Imo, just do bulk :shrug:


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22012654 - 07/28/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

???? Is there anybody out there?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22012660 - 07/28/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22013173 - 07/29/15 03:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My SGFC is losing humidity, it started after I put in the air pump (and then took it out)
Its at 88% and the cakes are becoming slightly blue but new pins are forming... Should I dunk the cake that I harvested or just let the new pins grow? And humidity wise?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22013190 - 07/29/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, dunk the cakes.

The RH level in a SGFC is going to fluctuate....that's the nature of the beast.

It is a mistake to think that a constantly high RH is a good thing...there must be a fluctuation so evaporation can take place.

Do your self a favor and toss that hygrometer in the trash bin, where it belongs.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: PussyFart]
    #22014084 - 07/29/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Feel the shroom. Some are easily plucked, others will need the scissors. Depends on how they grew.

You. Don't. Want. 100%. Humidity.

There is no evaporation happening at 100% RH. The evaporation of moisture from the cakes is what causes pinning. At 100% humidity no evaporation is happening thus you will not get pins. Take a pic of your mister.

Your RH is perfect. 91 means theres still room in the air for more evaporation. The air stone will make it worse by drying out your cakes faster.

Imo, just do bulk :shrug:



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Yes, dunk the cakes.

The RH level in a SGFC is going to fluctuate....that's the nature of the beast.

It is a mistake to think that a constantly high RH is a good thing...there must be a fluctuation so evaporation can take place.

Do your self a favor and toss that hygrometer in the trash bin, where it belongs.



Look man.

Listen to people. They're going blue because there's to much forced air in there you're drying out your cakes. Dunk the one you harvested, mushrooms are 90% water, without it your pins will mature small or abort.

Stop. Using. The. Air. Stone. If you're not going to listen to me listen to the TC. Check out my thread in my link, I've grown a few mushrooms bro.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: PussyFart]
    #22014122 - 07/29/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes, dunk the cakes.

The RH level in a SGFC is going to fluctuate....that's the nature of the beast.

It is a mistake to think that a constantly high RH is a good thing...there must be a fluctuation so evaporation can take place.

Do your self a favor and toss that hygrometer in the trash bin, where it belongs.




Whats a good alternative for the hygrometer?
Also the perlite at the bottom of the FC is turning dark is that ok?
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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22014131 - 07/29/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You don't need a hygrometer at all, just toss it out, they're not meant for this environment. A properly built SGFC will maintain the needed humidity without any user input.

Is it turning dark green? That's algae. Algae is harmless to mushrooms but soak it in bleach water and give it a good rinse before using it again. Do you have miracle gro perlite by chance?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22014201 - 07/29/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

taGyo said:
Feel the shroom. Some are easily plucked, others will need the scissors. Depends on how they grew.

You. Don't. Want. 100%. Humidity.

There is no evaporation happening at 100% RH. The evaporation of moisture from the cakes is what causes pinning. At 100% humidity no evaporation is happening thus you will not get pins. Take a pic of your mister.

Your RH is perfect. 91 means theres still room in the air for more evaporation. The air stone will make it worse by drying out your cakes faster.

Imo, just do bulk :shrug:



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Yes, dunk the cakes.

The RH level in a SGFC is going to fluctuate....that's the nature of the beast.

It is a mistake to think that a constantly high RH is a good thing...there must be a fluctuation so evaporation can take place.

Do your self a favor and toss that hygrometer in the trash bin, where it belongs.



Look man.

Listen to people. They're going blue because there's to much forced air in there you're drying out your cakes. Dunk the one you harvested, mushrooms are 90% water, without it your pins will mature small or abort.

Stop. Using. The. Air. Stone. If you're not going to listen to me listen to the TC. Check out my thread in my link, I've grown a few mushrooms bro.




I tossed the air stone as soon as you said, apparently we're speaking on two diffrent threads, like teo timelines to the same conversation...
So I threw out the airstone and the RH is at about 86% and I understand that it is natural but will it rise again?

I know I seem hard headed but I really am learning alot from all You guys
P.S I'm adding some pics of the dark perlite (note that some verm got mixed in by accident so I cant tell if its the verm or contam)
P.P.S and of the mister


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22014228 - 07/29/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Okay.

You have a heavy mister, those are decent for this hobby but it releases thick globs of water which I've found hurts my cake. I'm not sure how yours is but mine used to leave my cakes blue until I got one from home depot:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/RL-Flo-Master-4-pt-Hand-Sprayer-56HD/100164531

You should bleach that and wash it thoroughly, maybe you can get away with just hot water. It shouldn't hurt the shrooms though.

Do you have 2 inches of perlite or 4 inches? You need 4 inches minimum.

80% humidity is perfect, you don't want it to rise. Re-read what PussyFart just said. You WANT fluctuation. 80% humidity means things will continue to evaporate and cause pins. But above all, leave the hygrometer out of this and watch your cakes.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22014445 - 07/29/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Okay.

You have a heavy mister, those are decent for this hobby but it releases thick globs of water which I've found hurts my cake. I'm not sure how yours is but mine used to leave my cakes blue until I got one from home depot:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/RL-Flo-Master-4-pt-Hand-Sprayer-56HD/100164531

You should bleach that and wash it thoroughly, maybe you can get away with just hot water. It shouldn't hurt the shrooms though.

Do you have 2 inches of perlite or 4 inches? You need 4 inches minimum.

80% humidity is perfect, you don't want it to rise. Re-read what PussyFart just said. You WANT fluctuation. 80% humidity means things will continue to evaporate and cause pins. But above all, leave the hygrometer out of this and watch your cakes.




I'm leaving the cakes to their own devices (dumped the hygro-shit as well) I got some more perlite, gonna soak and add more to reach 4-5"
now that I tossed the hygrometer' I still need to monitor temps right?
tempeture is a real hassle because I lived In a pretty hot climate so the AC is on constantly

I'll get that mister tommorow

Don't know what kind of perlite it is but it is from a shop that specializes in "exotic" plants

You kinda confused me with your last comment with the bleach washing, bleach the perlite now? or before next use?


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22014456 - 07/29/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Take all the cakes out, add up to 4-5" of perlite and run it under your shower instead. try to mix it around to wash out that dark shit, warm water is better then cold water.

Yes, temps are much more important then humidity in an sgfc (to monitor).

That mister is great, you'll instantly see a difference, my advice is pump it up really good, even if it seems like it's at it's peak, just give it a few more pumps.

Yeah, chances are it had stuff on it already that was beneficial for a plant. You would mix the perlite with the soil to improve aeration most of the time.


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22014507 - 07/29/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Take all the cakes out, add up to 4-5" of perlite and run it under your shower instead. try to mix it around to wash out that dark shit, warm water is better then cold water.

Yes, temps are much more important then humidity in an sgfc (to monitor).

That mister is great, you'll instantly see a difference, my advice is pump it up really good, even if it seems like it's at it's peak, just give it a few more pumps.

Yeah, chances are it had stuff on it already that was beneficial for a plant. You would mix the perlite with the soil to improve aeration most of the time.




the waters running :smile: thanks for the advice
these are equadorians(not sure if theirs a diffrence) but these are supposed to go to a therapist who's going to do this therapy workshop with veterans who suffer from PTSD, so I'm really hoping this will all work out


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Re: Birthing question [Re: Kalevra]
    #22014518 - 07/29/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The perlite will solve a lot of your problems.

Now just make sure it gets a good amount of FAE :thumbup:


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Re: Birthing question [Re: taGyo]
    #22014736 - 07/29/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

apon further reading I found out that a fan in the room will fuck up with the humidity (I'm fan drying the previously picked caps) so I wanted to know if I move the fan and caps to lets say.. the closet, that would be ok?
also same question goes for the AC, does that fuck up FAE or humidity?


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