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hartless101
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First time growing. Couple questions
#21972783 - 07/20/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey everyone I've been studying mycology for quite some time but am now recently getting the guts to grow. So far I have 24 quart-sized mason jars, 2 bags of Hartz medium sized bird diet food (from Walmart), and four syringes (PE, Burma, B+, Colombian Rust). I plan on inoculating tomorrow. I know all about the sterilization process and was stuck thinkin about vermiculite. Do I actually need vermiculite in the bottom of my jars? It has something to do with retaining moisture right? If I don't need it let me know.
Another thing is that I'm really interested in the monotub tek because you can make them to require no fanning or misting (being Maintenance free for the most part). I was gonna buy a few Sterilite 60 quart sized tubs. So like what am I looking at yield wise (when fully dry) with: 24 inoculated mason jars, and monotubs with Coir, cow manure, coffee grinds, gypsum, and maybe some hay or straw as a growing medium after my jars are colonized? I know it varies but based on experience what do you guys think I'm looking at?
The last thing I'm worried about is the fucking cops! Even though it's the first thing I'm worried about lol. But like I've been searching on Google for all things that would hint that I'm gonna grow magic mushrooms. And I've been textin one person about it (trust with my life, only person who knows besides me). Like what are the chances of them stalking my shit??? It seems like it's not even that big of a deal for them to get a squad to surveille me, but ehhh I'm Naturally worried. Anyway let me know what u think.
I'm gonna inoculate tomorrow after I prepare my substrate. Pretty much, should I get vermicuLite? What does that stuff really do? Thanks!!
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Re: First time growing. Couple questions [Re: hartless101]
#21972920 - 07/20/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vermiculite in the bottom of the jar? I've never seen that before, where did you see that? It would likely promote contaminants by holding water at the bottom of the jar.
Monotubs don't need to be fanned or misted if the substrate is made properly and the monotub is dialed in perfectly. People fan and mist to compensate.
Don't sell, and police won't give a fuck. Don't tell anyone else either though.
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Re: First time growing. Couple questions [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21973017 - 07/20/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Verm is used in teks by people who don't know how to do a proper grain prep to soak up any pooling water. Its not ideal as it can encourage premature pinning and also is space that should have spawn being taken by non nutritious verm. Its far better to do a proper grain prep and leave the verm to your bulk substrate.
If doing WBS I recommend this tek, just PC for 90 min instead of the hour it suggests.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5265629#5265629
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Laughingcowwa
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Re: First time growing. Couple questions [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21973049 - 07/20/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you were that worried why'd telegraph it to the world on this site. But I don't think anyone cares when doing a little grow for yourself, hope not anyway. I don't think anyones watching you, that's just the paranoia talking. Think law enforcement has bigger fish to fry. Why not start with PF Tek much easier and while you don't get anything compared to a bulk grow its a lot easier to maintain and get started.
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Re: First time growing. Couple questions [Re: hartless101]
#21973257 - 07/20/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Verm in jar bottoms is atypical and not needed. I second fooman's wbs prep, though for large quantities of bird seed I like to fill my PC with 3X the dried grain volume in water, bring it to a boil, dump in the birdseed, return it to a boil, and let it sit for around an hour removed from heat with the lid open, then strain. I throw in some gypsum once I remove it from the heat.
I believe most full monotub teks use an electric fan in the room with the tubs, but otherwise don't require any attn.
Use your B+ and Burma syringes first since they have inferior trade value if you screw up.
I would avoid the coffee. That shit is a trichsplosion waiting to happen if it isn't prepared and inoculated properly. Coir (gypsum, verm additives) is very simple to prepare and not prone to contamination, so given that it's your first grow, probably the best substrate choice.
Under ideal conditions with good genetics you could expect at least 48 oz dry from those 24 qts. Usually that quantity would be used in 4 60qt monos, though you could probably get away with 3.
It's not in google's or ISP's interest to fuck people over for allegedly committing victimless crimes. It's not in the N$4's interest to piss people off about rights infringement by monitoring their activities for anything other than violent crime, megafraud, and terrorism. If you look at mushroom related arrests, they typically follow a pattern something like "Traffic stop revealed trashbag of shrooms in trunk" "Raided house with MJ plants growing over the fence and found 800 contaminated PF cakes and .125 oz shrooms."
I'd skip PF tek and start with bulk since you already have the supplies, though you might not was to commit to such a crazy amount right away.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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