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Any Other Alchemists on Board? (Puffers and closed-minded trolls need not reply)
    #21970677 - 07/20/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I Understand many of you on these boards are indoctrinated in to believing that alchemy is just a pseudoscience but you're just wrong; if you are this thread if not for you.

To those who are not closed minded western philosophers; what is your understanding of alchemy? (Just Trying to get a consensus; I've practiced alchemy for years now with some success, If you're from some of the other forums you may know me however I will not reveal my identity publicly)

Namaste :mushroom2:


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Re: Any Other Alchemists on Board? (Puffers and closed-minded trolls need not reply) [Re: MushroomAlchemist]
    #21970683 - 07/20/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've only recently been exposed to it in a carl jung book. sounds really interesting though


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Re: Any Other Alchemists on Board? (Puffers and closed-minded trolls need not reply) [Re: MushroomAlchemist]
    #21970684 - 07/20/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

are open minded western philosopher allowed?


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Re: Any Other Alchemists on Board? (Puffers and closed-minded trolls need not reply) [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21970690 - 07/20/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if so...

I see alchemy as the mixture of various botanicals through various methods to obtain required results..


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Re: Any Other Alchemists on Board? (Puffers and closed-minded trolls need not reply) [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21970714 - 07/20/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes I Love speaking to the Open-Minded of any philosophy :thumbup:


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Re: Any Other Alchemists on Board? (Puffers and closed-minded trolls need not reply) [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21970726 - 07/20/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Any Practical (Lab) Alchemists here?


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Re: Any Other Alchemists on Board? (Puffers and closed-minded trolls need not reply) [Re: MushroomAlchemist]
    #21970780 - 07/20/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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MushroomAlchemist said:
Any Practical (Lab) Alchemists here?




You mean an actual chemist?  :wink:

Just joshing you, I did do small scale experimental alchemy as a kid. Haven't done any complex transmutations or the like.


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Re: Any Other Alchemists on Board? (Puffers and closed-minded trolls need not reply) [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #21970798 - 07/20/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:
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MushroomAlchemist said:
Any Practical (Lab) Alchemists here?




You mean an actual chemist?  :wink:

Just joshing you, I did do small scale experimental alchemy as a kid. Haven't done any complex transmutations or the like.




Nah, metallic transmutation is just puffery, Im speaking of more pharmacological alchemy, which is different from mundane chemical pharmacology.


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Re: Any Other Alchemists on Board? (Puffers and closed-minded trolls need not reply) [Re: MushroomAlchemist]
    #21970881 - 07/20/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

what is the difference? just working directly with nature as apposed to just the chemicals themselves?


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Re: Any Other Alchemists on Board? (Puffers and closed-minded trolls need not reply) [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21970886 - 07/20/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

pharmacological alchemy.. using plants and herbs pharmacologically? I'm guessing extracts and elixers?


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Re: Any Other Alchemists on Board? (Puffers and closed-minded trolls need not reply) [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21970887 - 07/20/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That and the preparation. My lab looks more like a witch doctor lab although I do have a proper lab for my Chemical endevors


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    #21970890 - 07/20/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am interested. just uneducated.. sort of.. I have decent knowledge of entheogens


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Re: Any Other Alchemists on Board? (Puffers and closed-minded trolls need not reply) [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21970965 - 07/20/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I am interested. just uneducated.. sort of.. I have decent knowledge of entheogens



Alchemy is somewhat hard to get into begause of how secretive the majority of alchemists are however if you're interested in learning it I'd suggest reading the books "Practical Alchemy" by Robert Allen Bartlett, "The Way of the Crucible" By Bartlett, and "The Art of Distillation" by John French


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    #21970971 - 07/20/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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tryptkaloids said:
I am interested. just uneducated.. sort of.. I have decent knowledge of entheogens



Also you can prepare a bunch of Entheogens Alchemically.


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Re: Any Other Alchemists on Board? (Puffers and closed-minded trolls need not reply) [Re: MushroomAlchemist]
    #21970981 - 07/20/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:headbanger: like with each other? like a rue/shroom extract?


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    #21970994 - 07/20/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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:headbanger: like with each other? like a rue/shroom extract?



More or less, extracts and molecule shifts due to preparation methods. SWIM produced some MDA alchemically and it was more like LSD. SWIM was unsure what the actual chemical structure was but it was AMAZING from what I hear


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Re: Any Other Alchemists on Board? (Puffers and closed-minded trolls need not reply) [Re: MushroomAlchemist]
    #21971154 - 07/20/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Do you use amanita muscaria mushrooms? They are very useful for alchemy in my experience.


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    #21971166 - 07/20/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you use amanita muscaria mushrooms? They are very useful for alchemy in my experience.




I have used them many times in my lab. The substances that can be obtained from them are extremely psychoactive and aid in opening the Heart, Third Eye, and Crown Chakras

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    #21971242 - 07/20/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Do you have any information on that youd be willing to share with me?


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    #21971348 - 07/20/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The alchemist dies in pain and confusion, a fool finds gold in a ruin...




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    #21971408 - 07/20/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you have any information on that youd be willing to share with me?



What sort of info are you Interested in?


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    #21971411 - 07/20/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The alchemist dies in pain and confusion, a fool finds gold in a ruin...






This is the problem with puffers; those who are only interested in transmutation.


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    #21971529 - 07/20/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Our old buddy the Sun is into alchemy.  It is only fitting that his offspring are as well.  :smile:


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    #21971643 - 07/20/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The alchemist dies in pain and confusion, a fool finds gold in a ruin...






This is the problem with puffers; those who are only interested in transmutation.




Please excuse my childlike ignorance(I feel like the little kid who giggles when they first hear someone speaking a different language) but what the hell are these "puffers"?

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Re: Any Other Alchemists on Board? (Puffers and closed-minded trolls need not reply) [Re: spock]
    #21971661 - 07/20/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Puffers want to turn non-precious metals into gold.


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    #21971715 - 07/20/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A bit of niter, hemp charcoal, brimstone..



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    #21971723 - 07/20/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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tryptkaloids said:
I am interested. just uneducated.. sort of.. I have decent knowledge of entheogens



Alchemy is somewhat hard to get into begause of how secretive the majority of alchemists are however if you're interested in learning it I'd suggest reading the books "Practical Alchemy" by Robert Allen Bartlett, "The Way of the Crucible" By Bartlett, and "The Art of Distillation" by John French



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    #21971839 - 07/20/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you have any information on that youd be willing to share with me?



What sort of info are you Interested in?





Whatever you think would be most useful for someone who knows very little about this subject but is very curious.


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    #21973070 - 07/20/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think its cool how they can encode vast amounts of information in visual imagery or metaphors, the alchemist seems to have a really very poetic way of thinking. Its like science just  with no context because it concerns itself with everything, chemistry, psychology, cosmogony, astrology, biology all at once, the same with how it is communicated, all languages all at once, meaningful, but most people used to more specialised languages will just get noise. I don't do anything practical but the subject is interesting to me.


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    #21973958 - 07/21/15 01:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Here is an old license plate. But my car has had an ALCHEMY plate for over 20 years, if that answers your question. Why your inquiry comes across as defensive and even combative is something that will not exactly endear you to members of these forums. Frankly, you must obviously be a newbie yourself based on your tone. I've been involved with alchemy on different levels for 40+ years, and I am still a student of it myself. You will not make progress in this or any esoteric discipline without the requisite humility.



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Re: Any Other Alchemists on Board? (Puffers and closed-minded trolls need not reply) [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21974686 - 07/21/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That plate is awesome:congrats:


Markos would you have any suggestions for reading material or other info?


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    #21976819 - 07/21/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That plate is awesome:congrats:


Markos would you have any suggestions for reading material or other info?




Well, yeah, but that depends on what you're interested in reading: history, biography, ancient alchemists, contemporary alchemists, Facebook alchemy groups, manuals on how to proceed with laboratory alchemy (beginning with the Wet Way of Spagyric plant alchemy). One does not jump into the Dry Way of athanors (furnaces), metals and glasses (Israel Regardie was not good at this after training with Frater Albertus). I am still slogging through  Isaac Newton: The Last Sorcerer and recently read Hartmann's The Life of Paracelsus. I am currently not doing laboratory alchemy, and I was only doing so after decades of psychospiritual alchemy, primarily using categories as a metaphor for psychotherapy, as I had a lot of experience with Jungian analysis and training. I am waiting for that spirit to motivate me again, but there are some dedicated practitioners out there: Mark Stavish, Robert Alan Bartlett, Steve Kalec, Dennis William Hauck http://dwhauck.com , Manfred Junius (deceased), and of course, all of these men have written excellent books.



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Re: Any Other Alchemists on Board? (Puffers and closed-minded trolls need not reply) [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21977947 - 07/21/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:headbanger:


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    #21978137 - 07/21/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:cheers:


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    #21991704 - 07/24/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That's a nice set up. Impressive library, too. Are those Fulcanelli materials above the DSM-IV (fourth picture, next to the right-side chair, with the black, red, and beige)?


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    #21993227 - 07/24/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think they're visible here, but I do own The Dwellings of the Philosophers and The Mysteries of the Cathedrals. The first set me back $28 (I've seen it priced at $280), from a guy whose bookstore was going out of business. He was pleased it was going to a good home. :smile: The lab set up derives from childhood as well as from the spontaneous gift of a new science chairperson in the school I was employed in. He had no idea I had been looking for organic chem glassware, so I found it to be Synchronistic/Providential.


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    #21995231 - 07/25/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Dude, I respect the set up, & I respect the collection of books.
But is it wise to have a flame near them? Much less a chemistry set. I'm not depreciating any skill you may have, but accidents do happen.
I trust you've a fire extinguisher near-by if you wish not to?


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    #21995680 - 07/25/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Dude, I respect the set up, & I respect the collection of books.
But is it wise to have a flame near them? Much less a chemistry set. I'm not depreciating any skill you may have, but accidents do happen.
I trust you've a fire extinguisher near-by if you wish not to?




If you look closely, behind the silver heating mantle in the 2nd and 3rd pics, there is a 3/4" thick of Lucite® serving as a reflective heat shield. (You can see some light reflection). It's visible in the first pic too, with the hot plate before I bought the heating mantle. There is a screw-in hook holding the left top corner of the heat shield to the book shelf. I might install another heat shield (a disassembled clear folding table of my mom's) when I decide to work at it again. BTW, you're not the first one to make that suggestion, the plastic is very clear.

There IS a fire extinguisher in the closet just outside the study (whether it is still functional is a good question. I should replace it). Thanks for the concern! :thumbup:


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    #21995719 - 07/25/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I see it now.
Yes that is a huge relief, thanks!


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