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dog had seizure after redosing flea medication
    #21969439 - 07/20/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Redosed my 7 year old pekingese last night around 9 making it the second month I've used a product called Spectra Sure. I gave it to him after 3 weeks even though it says to wait 4, but the fleas had came back extremely bad. Anyways, 6 am I wake up and open the bedroom door so he could head to the living room. I turn around at this point to lay down for a bit and I hear yelping.
I shot straight up and went to the living room to find him on his side shaking, yelping for 5 seconds then he goes unconscious. I pick him up, I don't know if that was a dumb decision or not and he's completely limp. I can't feel him breathing I lay him down and after 45 seconds or so he starts shaking and regain consciousness. I think the flea medication is the cause, I gave him a bath just now with dish soap to hopefully get all the medication out of his fur. I'm gonna get ahold of the vet now.
Do you think the flea medication was the cause of this seizure?


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Nitrous Monkey]
    #21969446 - 07/20/15 06:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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As a breed, Pekingese are relatively prone to seizures. Dogs suffer from different types of seizures, with different signs and symptoms. Learn to recognize and respond to a seizure, and you can help your dog recover well from each episode.




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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Sun King]
    #21969452 - 07/20/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My beagle mix had epilepsy and had lots of seizures until they put him on phenobarbital.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Sun King]
    #21969457 - 07/20/15 06:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My Maltese-poodle had one after we gave her a flea dip.  Apparently there are next to no rules on what they sell at the pet store and small dogs can easily be poisoned by a flea bath.  Sucks when you're just trying to help your dog out only to worry she's gonna fall out.  Poor dogs.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Sun King]
    #21969461 - 07/20/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This is the first time this has ever happened, he must've had a grand mal seizure cus he lost consciousness convulsed and pooped. I read on the active ingredient in the flea medication I used and many dogs have had seizures from it. Never using another chemical flea medication on my animals ever again.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Nitrous Monkey] * 3
    #21969466 - 07/20/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #21969468 - 07/20/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My aunt died from a seizure a year ago do you think that's funny?


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Nitrous Monkey] * 2
    #21969475 - 07/20/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sad clown funny?


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Nitrous Monkey] * 1
    #21969487 - 07/20/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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My aunt died from a seizure a year ago do you think that's funny?




did your aunt have a flea dip?


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Sun King] * 1
    #21969511 - 07/20/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Your aunt didn't die from a seizure she died from being extremely unhealthy or a head injury from smashing into the ground or old age.

Nice try though


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21969519 - 07/20/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

She died in bed, after having a seizure. I'm not sure how exactly she died, but the seizure caused it.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Nitrous Monkey] * 1
    #21969525 - 07/20/15 07:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No it didn't. I have epilepsy bud that's not how seizures work.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21969530 - 07/20/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Her death was related to her epilepsy, I dont know the details behind it.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Nitrous Monkey] * 1
    #21969534 - 07/20/15 07:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No it wasn't.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21969538 - 07/20/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Nitrous Monkey] * 1
    #21969540 - 07/20/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You die from sleeping on your stomach and asphyxiating. That sudden death shit happens to like one in one billion people. I'd give my left nut if you can actually prove it happened to your aunt.
It's a little asinine to try and teach someone about a disorder they had their whole life.

There's only been 15 documented SUEDP's


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21969545 - 07/20/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"SUDEP accounts for 8-17% of deaths in people with epilepsy"
Its actually not that rare.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Nitrous Monkey] * 1
    #21969549 - 07/20/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No that's not even the whole statistic. But if you want to copy and paste part of it so you seem correct go ahead.

It's 8-17 of deaths caused by epilepsy not in people with epilepsy.

Which isn't even high considering how rare it is you'll die from epilepsy anyways.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Nitrous Monkey] * 1
    #21969553 - 07/20/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Shroomery always has to debate something. From what I heard, coming from my uncle, is that it was related to her epilepsy. He didn't go into detail, he doesn't like to talk about it. That's all I know. I'm not debating something with you when I dont know the details. So I guess my uncles a liar.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21969554 - 07/20/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Central apnea syndromes are characterized by cessation of spontaneous respiratory drive during sleep. Seizures are known to cause central apnea by direct propagation of the electrical discharge to the respiratory center. Episodes of apnea lasting 10-63 seconds, accompanied by a significant fall in oxygen saturation, have been documented. In addition, cardiac arrest can cause secondary cardiopulmonary arrest. So et al documented a case of near-SUDEP due to postictal apnea.[15] These 2 mechanisms may contribute significantly to the pathophysiology of SUDEP.

Asphyxiation secondary to an obstructive cause has been postulated to play a role in the deaths of patients who were found in a prone position at the time of death. Several investigators reported the prone position more frequently than statistically expected (eg, 81%,[13] 71%[10] ). The prone position may affect ventilation by obstructing the upper respiratory tract as well as increasing the chances of aspiration. In addition, cases of laryngeal spasm and stridor after a seizure has subsided have been reported.[16] In unsupervised patients, this might have contributed to death after a seizure.

Neurogenic pulmonary edema has been reported following a variety of neurologic conditions, including epilepsy. Neurogenic pulmonary edema has been documented in 84% of patients in whom autopsy was done following SUDEP. The underlying mechanism for neurogenic pulmonary edema seems to include a massive alpha-adrenergic response, generalized vasoconstriction, and pulmonary hypertension. In addition, the high protein content of the alveoli is indicative of severe damage to the endothelial membranes that leads to increased pulmonary permeability. These findings also indicate that the terminal event lasted longer than a few minutes.




Tl;dr it doesn't happen to healthy people.

No I didn't say that it could have been related to her epilepsy. But she didn't die from the seizure.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Nitrous Monkey]
    #21969556 - 07/20/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can absolutrely, 100% count on the insecticide in combination with your dogs personal sensitivity causing these seizures.

Your insecticide has Fipronil as its active ingredient and this drug works on GABA in an excitatory way. In other words, the insecticide convulses the fleas to death.

Stop using this product and find one with another active ingredient, to be used after the current dose wears of.

Your dogs individual and breed susceptibility to seizures, in combination with being exposed to a convulsant chemical, caused the seizure.

If he seizes again off to the vet, your dog will respond well to valium like drugs, which will stop the convulsive effect for your dog but not the fleas.

Take it easy with your dog and don';t freak out over this.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21969558 - 07/20/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I had grand mal seizures 2 years ago. I was blue and not breathing for about ten minutes. Apparently I wasn't dead since I'm alive now, but very near. A seizure can cause a loss of electrical conductivity in the brain or body which can lead to death if the body can't jump start itself.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21969562 - 07/20/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Her death was related to her epilepsy, I dont know the details behind it.



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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Asante]
    #21969568 - 07/20/15 07:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You can absolutrely, 100% count on the insecticide in combination with your dogs personal sensitivity causing these seizures.

Your insecticide has Fipronil as its active ingredient and this drug works on GABA in an excitatory way. In other words, the insecticide convulses the fleas to death.

Stop using this product and find one with another active ingredient, to be used after the current dose wears of.

Your dogs individual and breed susceptibility to seizures, in combination with being exposed to a convulsant chemical, caused the seizure.

If he seizes again off to the vet, your dog will respond well to valium like drugs, which will stop the convulsive effect for your dog but not the fleas.

Take it easy with your dog and don';t freak out over this.



Thanks, I freaked out quite a bit I thought he was dead he wasn't breathing. For now I'm not giving him any more medications I'll just bathe him and use a flea comb.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Nitrous Monkey]
    #21969589 - 07/20/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I give my dog heart guard and nex guard in these little beef flavored chews. Works 100% and haven't seen any negative reactions. My dog is a shiba inu which are very prone to seizures.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21969593 - 07/20/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I had grand mal seizures 2 years ago. I was blue and not breathing for about ten minutes. Apparently I wasn't dead since I'm alive now, but very near. A seizure can cause a loss of electrical conductivity in the brain or body which can lead to death if the body can't jump start itself.



Do you take medication now to prevent seizures? Seizures are one of my biggest fear.
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I give my dog heart guard and nex guard in these little beef flavored chews. Works 100% and haven't seen any negative reactions. My dog is a shiba inu which are very prone to seizures.



Thanks I might try that.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Nitrous Monkey]
    #21969656 - 07/20/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I had seizures due to 40 oz of rum every night & handfuls of good ol' etizolam. I was on phenobarbital for a few months and didn't like it so opted for a medical marijuana card instead. Amazes me I was allowed to get my driver's license back by way of using marijuana. I haven't had seizures since my etizolam use, but doctors say I'm more prone to them now due to the pathway that was formed in my neural network. I also have my dog registered as a service dog now. I can tell if I'm getting near a seizure too. My speech stutters really bad and can't be corrected no matter how much I try. I can then take measures to reduce my stress and smoke up immediately.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21974764 - 07/21/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

He just had another seizure right after I game him a bath


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Nitrous Monkey]
    #21974766 - 07/21/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #21974776 - 07/21/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was more calm this time and just let him lay I hate that he goes through this. I got him out of the bath and started drying him off when he let out a big scream so I played him down and he flopped over and passed out.


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    #21974802 - 07/21/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It is sad dont you think so?


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #21974809 - 07/21/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Poor dog try giving him some low thc/high cbd oil on a treat. It's better than giving him barbs or benzos. He needs something though.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21974818 - 07/21/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm gonna get him to a vet, but I've read about the drugs they give these dogs to prevent seizures actually ends up killing the dog instead of the seizures.


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    #21974835 - 07/21/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well ill tell yah one thing i know is most dogs are really tough n resilient n they can adjust to alot of really tough situations n still have a waggin tail. maybe it was jus like a two time thing n hell be fine. Maybe he can get on some kinda medication to control it.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #21974864 - 07/21/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Forget the vet and just go to a dispensary. Vets are total morons and don't make enough money to survive, so they cater to shitty sales reps who give them shit tons of free samples for pushing their shit products. My mom took my cat in to the vet a few weeks ago when I was in Colorado because he had pulled out his fur. He has an anxious habit and she didn't know this. The vet couldn't find anything but said it was probably fleas and sold my mom a bunch of flea medicine. My cats are 100% flea free and have never had one ever! They also tried to get me to keep my dog on an expensive antifungal medication which is extremely harmful for at least 6 months when she only needed it for 2 months. Vets are completely fraudulent unless you have an absolute emergency, stitches etc.


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    #21974880 - 07/21/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The only thing a vet can do for you is to guess a toxic medication for your dog. Herb is not going to hurt your dog and will most likely solve his seizure issues. The vet is not a neurologist and for one to treat seizures is an obvious fraud, but vets don't have to have the same credentials as human doctors.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21974892 - 07/21/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Dont dose your dogs L


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21974894 - 07/21/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

From what I got from Wikipedia on Fiprinol.
"In animals and humans, fipronil poisoning is characterized by vomiting, agitation, and seizures, and can usually be managed through supportive care and early treatment of seizures, generally with benzodiazepine use."

Think its the flea medication? Or just a coincidence.


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Re: dog had seizure after redosing flea medication [Re: Nitrous Monkey]
    #21974932 - 07/21/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There's no telling without eeg readings over a week or two. Your vet can only guess, and in my experience they hardly even try to make an educated guess.


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