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Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm * 1
    #21969373 - 07/20/15 05:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Vid or it didn't happen:






Let's discuss this.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Asante] * 1
    #21969383 - 07/20/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

To be honest I never cared about this whole hurp derp were mistreating animals bullshit. I try to avoid factory farmed food just because it's laced with anti bacterials and hormones and shit but as far as the Peta movement they're all a bunch of social justice warriors fighting for the "rights" of animals who have brains the size of a walnut and if it weren't for domestication, would have completely died out and gone extinct from their own stupidity if we didn't breed them for the food.

We're the top of the food chain. Do you think a lion cares about how a zebra is treated?


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Psychonautica] * 3
    #21969410 - 07/20/15 06:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yknow I used to think that way too.  But having growin' up in a place like small town a Texas it was easy to have that outlook on this issue.  But having grown up a bit I now realize through a lot of psychedelics, time, philosophy and frankly a whole lot of maturing I've realized that kindness to our food supply isn't only a kindness issue.  It also truly effects the flavor of the animal you're eating.
On the backside of that there are an ass pile of people on the planet, crickets taste like shit, and we have to try and feed every hungry mouth.  Somewhere in there lies the answer but as an old farmer once told me, "If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'.".  So don't believe the organic, free range hype.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Psychonautica] * 5
    #21969528 - 07/20/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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We're the top of the food chain. Do you think a lion cares about how a zebra is treated?




Perhaps the lions would care if they were evolved in a way to keep zebra crowded and captive for harvest.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #21969533 - 07/20/15 07:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Only if they ingested enough hormones from the plant and animal domestication to have absurdly high estrogen levels and turning them into whiny little prisses who only want to eat rocks and skip around naked in fields of flowers 24/7.

Animals kill other animals. And it's usually not very humane.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21969560 - 07/20/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

As barbaric as how lions hunt may seem it is actually quite humane as they, after capture, will immediately sever air intake at the jugular.  This is seen throughout the animal kingdom and I am all for it, its sexy.

It's the unfair advantage that keeping livestock for slaughter that gets me.  There is too great of a difference between going into the bush with a bowie knife verses keeping an animal in a cage so small they can't move their entire short life until the salvation of death meets them.

The worst existence as prey is one kept for slaughter by humans.  I would so much rather be taken by a mountain lion as I'd never even know I was being stalked.

It's a matter of moral consciousness and emotional intelligence, not everyone has it I guess.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #21969569 - 07/20/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Do you honestly think cows and chickens are intelligent enough to have avoided extinction on their own?


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21969578 - 07/20/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No, I honestly think we are intelligent enough to find humane alternatives to how we keep livestock and how we slaughter.  The current situation is sheer laziness.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21969595 - 07/20/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you honestly think cows and chickens are intelligent enough to have avoided extinction on their own?





I think bovines and birds are doing pretty damn awesome on their own, I don't think they need humnan intelligence to help them survive.

What are you even saying? Jellyfish make it on their own.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #21969603 - 07/20/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's not laziness. it's cost efficient and there are mouths to feed. If we raised every animal that's most likely too stupid to even realize it's being mistreated better than we treat human beings then the entire world would starve real fucking quick.

Way to dodge the question is and give a completely different answer in a typical hippy way though.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Psychonautica] * 3
    #21969627 - 07/20/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you honestly think cows and chickens are intelligent enough to have avoided extinction on their own?



Yes but I doubt you could.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21969638 - 07/20/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Cows are pretty smart, and I'd bet they'd survive fine without humans. They're a large pack animal for crying out load.

Chickens are decently intelligent to. Not to the point of a lot of birds, but decent enough. Wild chickens exist in quite a few areas btw.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Achillita]
    #21969642 - 07/20/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well his argument was he didn't believe in farmed animals.

As if hunting a wild cow would be sporting at all. You'd just slowly walk up to it and shoot it. How is that different than raising it for slaughter? It's not going to run away or anything.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21969658 - 07/20/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wild bison run away. So do wild anythings really. Cows are pretty docile because we raise them. I've seen a cow attack a coyote, they can attack pretty fucking badly.

I see nothing wrong with ranching, just as long as they aren't doing this shit they do here.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Achillita] * 2
    #21969668 - 07/20/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah exactly we're gonna farm animals but we have a responsibility to do it in a way that the animals don't suffer needlessly and living conditions should always be as clean and stress free as what was found in their once natural habitat.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Achillita]
    #21969672 - 07/20/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They fuck up the chickens cicadian rythem by not giving it sunlight

I learned that once from a weed farmer


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Konyap]
    #21969690 - 07/20/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I feel like we should be more worried about how we're treating other people and fix that before we worry about how we treat our food.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Psychonautica] * 2
    #21969701 - 07/20/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well his argument was he didn't believe in farmed animals.

As if hunting a wild cow would be sporting at all. You'd just slowly walk up to it and shoot it. How is that different than raising it for slaughter? It's not going to run away or anything.




Dude, you don't know cows, seriously! Slowly walk up to it and shoot it?
Jesus, that's how you get killed man. Even the incredibly tame cows we have nowadays are pretty dangerous, let alone wild bovines.

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I feel like we should be more worried about how we're treating other people and fix that before we worry about how we treat our food.




It's all part of the same problem: a lack of compassion and too much "me-me-me!" attitude.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Psychonautica] * 5
    #21969702 - 07/20/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

One reflects the other. It's all relative.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21969712 - 07/20/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was stalked by a cow last week while solo tripping in the forest walking along a forest service road. At one point she charged me but I yelled at her an she shied away.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21969715 - 07/20/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Turtletotem]
    #21969722 - 07/20/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

She could have killed me by just pushing me off the road.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Asante] * 3
    #21969730 - 07/20/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't see how anyone can honestly pretend to know what a chicken or cow thinks or feels. And yes they were surviving plenty fine before we started rearing them.

That said, I do like to eat meat, but it would be nice if food animals were raised more humanely. There are obvious differences in the flavor between true free range animals and factory farmed ones.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: nicechrisman]
    #21969796 - 07/20/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Once we can efficiently grow meat from stem cells, factory farming will take on a whole new meaning.
I also think mealworms are the way of the future as far as factory farming protein sources.  The efficiency of output in any metric is substantially higher than current factory farming of animals.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: nicechrisman]
    #21969811 - 07/20/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Something about factory farmers that really bugs me is that they have no control over the way their animals are raised while under a sales contract. Now what happens to the species if left under sole control by these people? The animals devolve, and without the small time farmer, the industry would destroy all animal food sources by way of making them easier to manage in a factory setting. Without the small farmer there would be no biodiversity left to replace their creatures with. This is analogous to parents not vaccinating their children in hopes that everyone else who does so keeps diseases away from their unvaccinated child.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21969833 - 07/20/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't see how anyone can honestly pretend to know what a chicken or cow thinks or feels. And yes they were surviving plenty fine before we started rearing them.

That said, I do like to eat meat, but it would be nice if food animals were raised more humanely. There are obvious differences in the flavor between true free range animals and factory farmed ones.



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To be honest I never cared about this whole hurp derp were mistreating animals bullshit. I try to avoid factory farmed food just because it's laced with anti bacterials and hormones and shit but as far as the Peta movement they're all a bunch of social justice warriors fighting for the "rights" of animals who have brains the size of a walnut and if it weren't for domestication, would have completely died out and gone extinct from their own stupidity if we didn't breed them for the food.

We're the top of the food chain. Do you think a lion cares about how a zebra is treated?




this

I would not venture to say that cows are intelligent. But they have the basic ability to think and feel. Sheep, cows, pigs and dogs are on the same level in terms of how they expereince reality. Chickens on the other hand are pretty stupid. But even then, chickens probably dont enjoy being beaten and smelling blood of their companions in dark rooms. I dont really give too much credit to peta as they are sort of part of the issue. PETA pushes veganism which is a worthy cause with some interesting points, but ultimately it cannot be supported

But a little bit of compassion in the way we raise food would go a long way

The irony of the situation is that the second people are killing dogs in Yulin, everyone starts throwing a tantrum. But we treat pigs, sheep and cows (just as intelligent) much worse


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21972077 - 07/20/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you think a lion cares about how a zebra is treated?




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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: DieCommie]
    #21972106 - 07/20/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

We should start treating plants better. They're forced to grow in fields within inches of thousands of their relatives literally growing out of other animals feces in some cases. Sprayed with chemicals and then cut down with a giant turbine of knife blades.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21973476 - 07/20/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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We should start treating plants better. They're forced to grow in fields within inches of thousands of their relatives literally growing out of other animals feces in some cases. Sprayed with chemicals and then cut down with a giant turbine of knife blades.



the difference is that cows are SENTIENT
when you cut a plant with a blade it doesn't bleed, scream and cry. It has 0 sentience
There is some science to show that plants can "feel" but most science and critical thinking would point us in the direction that plants are much less conscious than animals, and that they are not sentient at all


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: topdog82]
    #21973702 - 07/20/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's aweful biased.  I think the Psychedelic Experience seems to come from the conscious contact between humans and plants.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21973725 - 07/20/15 11:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That's aweful biased.  I think the Psychedelic Experience seems to come from the conscious contact between humans and plants.



Well to be clear, I am pointing out that there is 0 debate in the scientific/intellectual sphere that animals have sentience. I never said its okay to mistreat plants, but clearly plucking a blade of grass is much less of an issue than torturing a cow. We know this as we barely feel guilt versus feel sympthathy when comparing the two actions


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: topdog82]
    #21973758 - 07/21/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's just cultural bias though.  Certain native Americans believed even the rocks were just a more dense, different vibration of consciousness.  Just because you don't feel guilt has nothing to do with this.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21974820 - 07/21/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That's just cultural bias though.  Certain native Americans believed even the rocks were just a more dense, different vibration of consciousness.  Just because you don't feel guilt has nothing to do with this.



Well the key here is to use science as a resource for providing objective truth. There is yet to be scientific evidence that plants are more/as concious as humans or pigs and same goes for rocks

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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: topdog82]
    #21974842 - 07/21/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This argument is a joke. Rocks and plants? These people are arguing that animals don't matter but they want rocks and plants treated better? I know they're just doing it to prove a point but they're admitting that they think rocks and plants are treated poorly. By this extension they are also making the argument that animals should be treated better as well, so there is no argument.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21974877 - 07/21/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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We should start treating plants better. They're forced to grow in fields within inches of thousands of their relatives literally growing out of other animals feces in some cases. Sprayed with chemicals and then cut down with a giant turbine of knife blades.




Do you have a garden at all? Plants are a lot more aware of their surroundings than you think.



I realize it feels cool to be the tough guy who calls people hippies, but sometimes you have to humble yourself and really take a look at what's going on around you. Everything is alive, and every action has a reaction. Be mindful.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Asante]
    #21975017 - 07/21/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My goal is to eat exclusively game meat- elk, moose, deer, bison, and freshwater fish for meat. No factory farmed meat which means no beef, chicken or pork.

Game meat is, in my experience, far FAR more delicious, while also being FAR more ethical and FAR healthier, and gives me a very noticeable euphoric high and energy boost.

Factory farming is an abomination and I call that meat what it is "torture meat".

Sadly I am just as guilty of eating it and supporting that abomination as anybody, but I am transitioning to game meat where the animals lived out their natural lives in their natural environments, instead of being confined in tiny pens, tortured and pumped full of drugs their entire life.

No question, the meat of a tortured, suffering, terrified, depressed animal full of antibiotics and hormones is going to be far less delicious, less nutritious and less healthy then a free range, and especially a wild, animal.

Paying more for humane meat, whether that be game or free range or at least grass fed, is well worth it!

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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Asante]
    #21975060 - 07/21/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not taking a side on this issue but I want to present some pro-farmer facts.

-Worldwide only 2% of the population are involved in agriculture. Therefore, farmers worldwide each produce enough food for 50 people. That's a lot of pressure considering people die if we make a mistake. In the U.S., the number is 3x that - a U.S. Farmer produces on average enough food to feed 150 people.

-Thanks to population growth, the world's farmers must produce as much food just for the next 50 years as all farmers, ever in history, have produced. If they don't - people die. In fact, it's being discussed that at least 2 billion people are going to starve to death in the next 50 years because population growth has already outpaced farm production. There's a bunch of writers arguing that this isn't the case and saying everything is fine... but no one involved in food production is saying this.

- Most farms are not factory farms. Most farms are family farms, part of a dying heritage passed from generation to generation, and the land you farm is the land your great-grandfather cleared by hand. People know your name, and how you treat people. If you're a fuckup in a farm community, people will remember that for GENERATIONS. City people don't often understand that. "Oh, you're {dad's name}'s boy," is a phrase you get in a small town if your dad ripped a guy off for $5 back in 1956. It is a self-policing community in many respects, and people who make farmers look bad are not welcomed by the rest of the community. Farmers hate factory farms too... but you people keep fucking, and insisting that chicken only cost $1.99 a pound, while the EPA is telling me I can't have a retention pond over here, and the DNR is telling me that if I drain the retention pond I'll be arrested for destroying wetlands... did I mention chicken is still only $1.99 a pound?

-Laypeople don't understand what they're looking at sometimes. A good example is the farrowing stalls in a hog farm. People think it is cruel to separate the sow from her litter, but don't realize that more piglets die from the sow rolling over on them than from any other cause in a farrowing operation. It'd be nice if we didn't need the crates, because we all had the opportunity to sit there with the sow at every feeding and make sure all goes well. You can't do that with a herd of 100+ sows.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21975258 - 07/21/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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My goal is to eat exclusively game meat- elk, moose, deer, bison, and freshwater fish for meat. No factory farmed meat which means no beef, chicken or pork.

Game meat is, in my experience, far FAR more delicious, while also being FAR more ethical and FAR healthier, and gives me a very noticeable euphoric high and energy boost.

Factory farming is an abomination and I call that meat what it is "torture meat".

Sadly I am just as guilty of eating it and supporting that abomination as anybody, but I am transitioning to game meat where the animals lived out their natural lives in their natural environments, instead of being confined in tiny pens, tortured and pumped full of drugs their entire life.

No question, the meat of a tortured, suffering, terrified, depressed animal full of antibiotics and hormones is going to be far less delicious, less nutritious and less healthy then a free range, and especially a wild, animal.

Paying more for humane meat, whether that be game or free range or at least grass fed, is well worth it!

www.meetyourmeat.com



always can count on moonshoe to objectively call it what it is!

Also, you live in canada correct? I believe game meat is more common there. It isn't really practical for americans to eat game meat. Hence I believe that grass-fed humane beef is perfectly fine

I personally would even venture to say that eating any factory farmed meat is a clearly unethical choice
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I'm not taking a side on this issue but I want to present some pro-farmer facts.

-Worldwide only 2% of the population are involved in agriculture. Therefore, farmers worldwide each produce enough food for 50 people. That's a lot of pressure considering people die if we make a mistake. In the U.S., the number is 3x that - a U.S. Farmer produces on average enough food to feed 150 people.

-Thanks to population growth, the world's farmers must produce as much food just for the next 50 years as all farmers, ever in history, have produced. If they don't - people die. In fact, it's being discussed that at least 2 billion people are going to starve to death in the next 50 years because population growth has already outpaced farm production. There's a bunch of writers arguing that this isn't the case and saying everything is fine... but no one involved in food production is saying this.

- Most farms are not factory farms. Most farms are family farms, part of a dying heritage passed from generation to generation, and the land you farm is the land your great-grandfather cleared by hand. People know your name, and how you treat people. If you're a fuckup in a farm community, people will remember that for GENERATIONS. City people don't often understand that. "Oh, you're {dad's name}'s boy," is a phrase you get in a small town if your dad ripped a guy off for $5 back in 1956. It is a self-policing community in many respects, and people who make farmers look bad are not welcomed by the rest of the community. Farmers hate factory farms too... but you people keep fucking, and insisting that chicken only cost $1.99 a pound, while the EPA is telling me I can't have a retention pond over here, and the DNR is telling me that if I drain the retention pond I'll be arrested for destroying wetlands... did I mention chicken is still only $1.99 a pound?

-Laypeople don't understand what they're looking at sometimes. A good example is the farrowing stalls in a hog farm. People think it is cruel to separate the sow from her litter, but don't realize that more piglets die from the sow rolling over on them than from any other cause in a farrowing operation. It'd be nice if we didn't need the crates, because we all had the opportunity to sit there with the sow at every feeding and make sure all goes well. You can't do that with a herd of 100+ sows.



very insightful. But aren't most american meat farms factory farms? I figure that family farms had been outclassed by larger scale factory farms and machinery. Hence, family farms took on a more conveyor belt model

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This argument is a joke. Rocks and plants? These people are arguing that animals don't matter but they want rocks and plants treated better? I know they're just doing it to prove a point but they're admitting that they think rocks and plants are treated poorly. By this extension they are also making the argument that animals should be treated better as well, so there is no argument.



This. Are you fucking kidding me? You are trying to argue that a dogs suffering doesnt matter? IF anyone killed a puppy or pig in front of you, you would have an emotional reaction. ANY mentally healthy human would feel this way


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: topdog82] * 1
    #21975916 - 07/21/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You clearly didn't get my point. The people who don't give a shit about animal cruelty are wanting plant/rock rights, thereby negating their original argument completely. They have no right to speak for anyone but themselves if they cannot recognize the rights of a dog or pig.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21976044 - 07/21/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Y'know that really wasn't my point with that post.  My point was what if all things are conscious on some level?  I mean to say that life takes life in pretty much all situations and all things are transient.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21976141 - 07/21/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You clearly didn't get my point. The people who don't give a shit about animal cruelty are wanting plant/rock rights, thereby negating their original argument completely. They have no right to speak for anyone but themselves if they cannot recognize the rights of a dog or pig.




Oh, OOOH! Fuck yeah, I hate those brain twisty arguements too, nice job untangling that gordian knot.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21976348 - 07/21/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Y'know that really wasn't my point with that post.  My point was what if all things are conscious on some level?  I mean to say that life takes life in pretty much all situations and all things are transient.



My point was they are not. You need a functioning brain to be conscious. Plants respond to stimuli and, but don't have the ability to think, and they sure as shit aren't capable of emotion.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21976371 - 07/21/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That is true, almost without a doubt.
And yet... and yet.. on a microscopic level, the roots resemble a neural network...
As does a mycelium...

Plants seem to need sleep, too. With different needs for different species, as it is with animals.

So far, everything points to plants and fungi being mindless. But I would not rule out sentience completely, for both spiritual reasons, but also because.. sometimes the way these organisms react to outside stimuli is just too complex for my liking.

They operate on a very different level of time then we do.. perhaps we just can't comprehend plant sapience?


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Asante]
    #21976484 - 07/21/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nowadays I avoid meat cause If I eat it I get tormented in my sleep :eek:
Why? It happened sometime after I started taking L.

There is no vegetarian substitute for meat.
Meat is absolutely delicious:crazy2:

Plants do not have a CNS.
I doubt they have the capacity for suffering that any animal does.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Love_spirit]
    #21976505 - 07/21/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh sure, don't get me wrong, I don't actually believe plants have a mind or anything.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Turtletotem]
    #21976920 - 07/21/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I believe plants are conscious in their own way, and certainly have feelings , albeit different and differently then our own.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21976983 - 07/21/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You clearly didn't get my point. The people who don't give a shit about animal cruelty are wanting plant/rock rights, thereby negating their original argument completely. They have no right to speak for anyone but themselves if they cannot recognize the rights of a dog or pig.




What rights does a dog or pig have? Its not a human member of our society, we have no laws specific to them aside from the prevention of unnecessary cruelty and their theft. Theyre pieces of meat we raise to maturity then slaughter so we can feast on their flesh. Dont try and sugar coat what we do to them.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21977278 - 07/21/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What do you think humans are to the corporations? They produce and then consume us. Most of us put up with it until cruelty becomes involved and our "rights" are infringed upon.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Asante]
    #21977607 - 07/21/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Good lord. Asante offered up a serious topic, and all we get is rocks.


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Srirachi]
    #21978297 - 07/21/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

rocks are people too


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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21978594 - 07/22/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Tell that to your new transmission


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