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Turtletotem
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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: passifloracaerulea]
#21976141 - 07/21/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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passifloracaerulea said: You clearly didn't get my point. The people who don't give a shit about animal cruelty are wanting plant/rock rights, thereby negating their original argument completely. They have no right to speak for anyone but themselves if they cannot recognize the rights of a dog or pig.
Oh, OOOH! Fuck yeah, I hate those brain twisty arguements too, nice job untangling that gordian knot.
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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#21976348 - 07/21/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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TheGreenArrow said: Y'know that really wasn't my point with that post. My point was what if all things are conscious on some level? I mean to say that life takes life in pretty much all situations and all things are transient.
My point was they are not. You need a functioning brain to be conscious. Plants respond to stimuli and, but don't have the ability to think, and they sure as shit aren't capable of emotion.
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Turtletotem
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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: passifloracaerulea]
#21976371 - 07/21/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That is true, almost without a doubt. And yet... and yet.. on a microscopic level, the roots resemble a neural network... As does a mycelium...
Plants seem to need sleep, too. With different needs for different species, as it is with animals.
So far, everything points to plants and fungi being mindless. But I would not rule out sentience completely, for both spiritual reasons, but also because.. sometimes the way these organisms react to outside stimuli is just too complex for my liking.
They operate on a very different level of time then we do.. perhaps we just can't comprehend plant sapience?
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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Asante]
#21976484 - 07/21/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nowadays I avoid meat cause If I eat it I get tormented in my sleep  Why? It happened sometime after I started taking L.
There is no vegetarian substitute for meat. Meat is absolutely delicious
Plants do not have a CNS. I doubt they have the capacity for suffering that any animal does.
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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Love_spirit]
#21976505 - 07/21/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh sure, don't get me wrong, I don't actually believe plants have a mind or anything.
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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Turtletotem]
#21976920 - 07/21/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I believe plants are conscious in their own way, and certainly have feelings , albeit different and differently then our own.
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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: passifloracaerulea]
#21976983 - 07/21/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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passifloracaerulea said: You clearly didn't get my point. The people who don't give a shit about animal cruelty are wanting plant/rock rights, thereby negating their original argument completely. They have no right to speak for anyone but themselves if they cannot recognize the rights of a dog or pig.
What rights does a dog or pig have? Its not a human member of our society, we have no laws specific to them aside from the prevention of unnecessary cruelty and their theft. Theyre pieces of meat we raise to maturity then slaughter so we can feast on their flesh. Dont try and sugar coat what we do to them.
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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21977278 - 07/21/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What do you think humans are to the corporations? They produce and then consume us. Most of us put up with it until cruelty becomes involved and our "rights" are infringed upon.
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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Asante]
#21977607 - 07/21/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good lord. Asante offered up a serious topic, and all we get is rocks.
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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Srirachi]
#21978297 - 07/21/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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rocks are people too
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Re: Chicken Factory Farmer Speaks Out - Lets Animal Rights Org Film On His Factory Farm [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21978594 - 07/22/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tell that to your new transmission
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