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Pen16
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Sure-fire Anti-Mold solution 1
#21968885 - 07/20/15 01:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So growing Miatake Mushrooms has been a hobby of mine for ten years now. The love and joy of mushroom cultivation not only has affected me both psychologically but through opportunities in my life.
I was looking for a job for H VAC on Craig's lists and got a call from a mold remediation company. I thought what the hell, its a job. I get the job and find the company is the side project of a millionaire paper-pusher who happens to be third in line for CEO of Equifax (Real nice to your face but all sales tactics, a real loser).
Anyway he has found a biological company down in Florida that has created a bio-organic enzyme that 'finds' and 'eats' mold.
What is this stuff!? I gotta have it! So being the good employee that I always am, I fill up a Gatorade bottle full of this stuff and take back home to my mushrooms.
I watch over my substrate like a hawk and after a couple flushes, I see some pencillium in the corner creeping up over the cake and I dowse that shit with the multi-million dollar enzyme stuff and it works dreams. Not only did the pencillium disappear but my substarte as a whole was unaffected.
I kept this stuff around like I had the shroomerys miracle spray. Then we run into another mold company and all of their product is 100% organic like ours but its not a living enzyme harvested in a lab. Come to find ou all they use is eucalyptus oil and tea tree oil.
Flash forward a year and I no longer have the mold job or miracle solution and my basement is getting some pretty bad penicillium/aspergillus. I order a bottle of eucalyptus oil and dilute and treat just like I would a job. And it worked, eucalyptus oil straight up kills mold. Not only that but I have been using it to prolong every cake I get, I humidify it in the house and around the my terrarium and I have such few contamination problems I'm not worried about getting a flow hood.
I think eucalyptus oil should be on every mycologists shelf, its natural and it works!
I could have just come on here and said to use eucalyptus oil but I think its pretty neat knowing what international small-time but gonna be big-time mold companies use and that you can re-mediate your own house of mold with eucalyptus oil instead of paying some business your child's college tuition. Just tear out the moldy stuff, scrub everything else with eucalyptus and fog the whole house like shaggy, scooby, cheech, chong and entire next generation of pot-heads just chonged your house up.
That is literally what the 'professionals' do.
The oil is expensive however but I am investing in an oil extracting glassware to keep this on my shelf. I also dilute mine but DO NOT dilute with water. I used isopropal alcohol, water will feed the mold. But continue to water your cakes after treatment.
Now I am also not saying that it will bring a cake back from sure fire doom but if you've had a few flushes and you see a small spot that colony that would normally double in size every hour can be killed an staved off for several days, enough to finish your fruit.
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Re: Sure-fire Anti-Mold solution [Re: Pen16]
#21968941 - 07/20/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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How would this compare with hydrogen peroxide?
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Pen16
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I have not used hydrogen peroxide as a mold killer, more as a deterrent. I sounds like this is your method of choice correct? When treating a colony no larger than a nickel on a small one pint cake, eucalyptus will keep it off for days without it starting again. If treated with the same circumstances but with Hydrogen Peroxide, how long would it keep mold off?
As far as humidifying H2o2, I dont think that would work. But I am looking into remediation with H2o2 and it seems like it would work awesome except the last step. The fogging. Which actually in the the single most important part of a remediation. All the spores everywhere you cant possibly see or even imagine scrubbing everywhere. As I am reading H2o2 also has a human toxicity too. Which means it could be hazardous to the persons health if we figured out a way to 'fog' with it.
You can breath in eucalyptus and it actually makes your lungs feel better!
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Toadstool5
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Re: Sure-fire Anti-Mold solution [Re: Pen16]
#21970197 - 07/20/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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A lot of plants' essential oils are for preventing certain pathogens. Once concentrated they are extremely toxic even to humans and other higher organisms.
Cedarwood oil, neem oil, orange oil, pine oil, etc.
There are ways to make the oils even stronger, apply with a surfactant, some of the oils can be ionized to provide additional oxidative damage like ozium, add to a propylene glycol mist, or mix different oils. 
I wonder if enzymes can be added to essential oils?
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Re: Sure-fire Anti-Mold solution [Re: Toadstool5]
#21970269 - 07/20/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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There are commercial anti mold sprays for button mushroomnfarms. They are bacterial based afaik. Neem would probably work the same as well. I'm calling B.S. on you growing maitake on cakes though haha
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Pen16
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Re: Sure-fire Anti-Mold solution [Re: drake89]
#21972284 - 07/20/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why buy a product (which i'm sure works great!) when you can grow and make this stuff yourself as all natural.
This bacterial based anti fungal product is intriguing however. I wonder how the bacteria is designed or if its a synthesized natural bacteria to specifically combat mold.
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Toadstool5
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Re: Sure-fire Anti-Mold solution [Re: Pen16]
#21973781 - 07/21/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Most biological products are heterologous gene products, they are produced through DNA sequencing, genetic modification, and lots of culturing.
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Re: Sure-fire Anti-Mold solution [Re: Toadstool5]
#21974592 - 07/21/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Toadstool5 said: Most biological products are heterologous gene products, they are produced through DNA sequencing, genetic modification, and lots of culturing.
yeah I know a guy that cultures his own mix of bacteria but I bet the one developed by Bayer (which I can't find the link to) is pretty highly bred. Trichoderma on the other hand is being used more and more in the crop sciences as an endophyte to prevent other kinds of infection in plants.
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Toadstool5
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Re: Sure-fire Anti-Mold solution [Re: drake89]
#21974849 - 07/21/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah the trichs are really proving useful in high-efficiency and very good acceptance of genes. I wouldnt be surprised if it is also used to introduce modified genes in plants as an endophyte.
I think thats where 90% of citric acid comes from now too, imagine a trich lab! Talk about air quality issues
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Re: Sure-fire Anti-Mold solution [Re: Toadstool5] 1
#21987769 - 07/23/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Which actually in the the single most important part of a remediation
The most important part of mold remediation is finding the moisture source and fixing it. You can try all the miracle solutions you want and it'll always come back if the conditions supporting it's growth aren't changed. In fact it's not even necessary to kill the mold, just to reduce the humidity so it remains dormant.
As for it's use in mushroom culture keep in mind there are many kinds of mold and I've seen people mistake many things for mold. Some molds like Penicillium have little effect on bulk substrate yields to begin with even untreated, although it's devastating to uncolonized spawn.
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