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Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems?
#21968735 - 07/20/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi
Im glad that i have found out about this community, i salute you all. Im calling some veteran users of Psilocybin and/or users that have experience or can give me some advices about using Psilocybin in treating/easing social anxiety and depression.
Its strange that on the internet i sometimes find advices not to use psichedelics if people are mentally unstable and i also find info how this chemicals can cure mental affections like depressions, social/generalized anxietys, PTSD and so on. Why there are two opinions on this subject?
From the puberty ages and till now(almost 40) i suffered from severe social anxietys. When i tell severe i mean it and i can say that i cant function well without my everyday beta blockers and benzo pills and even with them on low emotional stress i begin to shake. Head shaking/trembling its the thing that bothers me much because people around me can see it and it gets worse if someone stares at me, my head goes up and down uncontrollably.
i tried SSRI drugs too but only a few and i must stopped them beacause some had put me in the bed and slept to much, others gave awful brain zaps. I didnt wanted to try other SSRI brands because i was afraid of the horror stories and side effects. If this will be the last option i'll search for a drug that suits me better but like i said, im very afraid of them.
I always drank alcohol so i could be able go out to a date or to resolve stuff, talking to people in authority positions and i could go on and on with the examples but all i wanted to underline that my quality life sucks.
I could face this social anxietys if the physical symptoms were not present, i mean those terrible uncontrollable shakes.
I feel that im at the end of my powers, life passes next to me and i cant be who i really am, i know who im inside and anxiety blocks and put a barrier to my true self. Either alcohol will kill me or my depression thats caused because im unable to live like i should.
Thats why im here now, to find easing my problems somehow using psylocibin, i kept reading about how this chemical lowers some brain functions and can revire the brain and reroute the serotonergic system.
Im very interested in the subject of reviring brain functions.
Even if its a bad idea to take doses that will get me into a trip what about microdosing?
Im very afraid not to do more bad than good using psilocybin mushrooms. Im a very conscious person with an already low self esteem and to be honest im afraid not to exacerbate this symptoms, anxietys and those unbearable, uncontrollable head trembling/tremors
Thanks in advance for the help and advices and sorry for my bad English.
Edited by Cristal (07/20/15 02:05 AM)
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Cristal]
#21969078 - 07/20/15 03:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why do you think the shakes are the effect of social anxiety?
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: mushmagic]
#21969142 - 07/20/15 04:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Because i get them in social situations, or it can be the vice versa.I could have developed social anxiety because of the shakes.
Inside me im not a person who fears people or dont want to socialize, but i fear those shakes(especialy the head trembling/shaking) will "paralyze" me in social situation and therefore i get them and i can tell you that when im in a full blown shake episode i cant even think straight because i cant control them and i freak out, im embarrassed .
My voice is also trembling sometimes in many situation when i talk to people that i dont know. So every doctor said its social anxiety. Benzos help as well, not to be more social but not to shake so hard.
I dont feel anti social, therefore i drink so i can go out and hang out in good companies among people. Im tired feeling like this and having this physical symptoms. I did many searches on the internet to find what this all about. I have found just a very few people that have this and can describe exactly my symptoms and the triggers.
WTF, internet its so large used by so many people and i have found 2-3 forums with open threads about this and 10-15 peoples that have them exactly like i do? Im so unique? Yeah in the bad way unfortunately.
I also cant smoke tobacco because after a cigar my head and body trembles more so i get more anxious, i get more anxious i tremble more. Vicious circle. So yeah, tobacco triggers something that my brain dosent likes. For some smoking cigars are a way to relax, for me is a way to be agitated. a doc told me my central nervous sytem is overactive. I also suffer from hyper hidrosis(sweating too much) from the age of 4-5, i read that this is also caused be an overactive CNS in people who sweat extremely just when they are awake and not in their sleep. Hiperhidrosis also altered my life in bad ways.
Dunno whats wrong with me, no doc can tell me for sure.I have read about essential tremors on the net, i dont think i have them because they are a little different. Could i be so sensitive to adrenaline so that when im in an emotional state i tremble so hard? Dunno but life hasent been good to me at all, i didnt imagined my life like this, i had big dreams.
Edited by Cristal (07/20/15 04:44 AM)
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Cristal]
#21969144 - 07/20/15 04:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i've been trying to microdose 1g-5g of sclerotia per day for pain when i have it available.
i find that it elevates my mood as well.
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: rxb] 1
#21969252 - 07/20/15 05:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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In my personal experience, psychedelics have helped and nearly gotten rid of my mental health problems. 2 years before my first mushroom trip, I was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder. Pretty much that meant I had schizophrenia with depression. It was never too severe, and for the most part I was able to function in day to day life. But it gave me pretty bad anxiety, and I would step out of class pretty often(I was in school at the time).
There were definitely moments where things were completely unmanageable. During the main part of the psychosis(which led me to being diagnosed), I was contemplating suicide and occasionally self harmed(which I hated, but the voices wouldn't stop). Some points it was really hard to tell what was real and fake, and it caused me to have an existential crisis as well. I don't know how, but I hid this from my family for about 2 months.
Once I went to the psychiatrist, I was diagnosed. They were going to put me on meds, but I talked with my parents and decided to try a non medication route to recovery. The psychosis subsided to bouts of depression for weeks at a time, and anxiety was pretty common for me as well. The voices would only come back when I was depressed. I met my girlfriend around this time, and she truly helped with a lot of views in life. I'd still get depressed often, but I was happy at the same time.(if that makes any sense)
I ended up growing, and then taking mushrooms about a year after that. It changed my life. It melted away any sort of depression I had, along with anxiety. It grounded me so much to the world. Since this first mushroom trip, I have not heard the voices whatsoever. My psychiatrist even told me I was normal, and had no signs I ever had schizoaffective disorder!
While my psychosis was nearly done when I dosed, the mushroom trip drove the final nail into the coffin. I was always curious about psychedelics, much before the psychosis.
Don't take this the wrong way though. Mental health problems have been known to come out on psychedelics. Mushrooms helped me greatly, and I will always consider them sacred for that fact alone. If you are going to trip, just be sure to dose low to start out with. It's always good to be safe. Mushrooms have been known to bring out anxiety as well, so I'd suggest being with someone close, and in a safe comforting environment.
I can say that I now live a mentally healthy life. I am probably the happiest I've been in years as well. Also, if you are worried about something going wrong you could always keep a benzo on hand. They are supposed to kill the trip, or at least knock it down to nearly nothing. I've never wanted to keep them on me, and honestly never had to.
Sorry for the long story, hope it helps.
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Cristal]
#21969419 - 07/20/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mushrooms can definitely improve on your overall quality of life and depression/anxiety. But it has to be done very carefully and you must know exactly what you're doing to truly cure your issues or it would just make things worst.
Pm me for some more info if you'd like.
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Leviticus969]
#21969532 - 07/20/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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why not post your info here and help the world.
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: rxb]
#21969797 - 07/20/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well the reason why I'm weary of posting in public is cause I always get conflicted responses from other members but here goes anyways.
If you're looking to mushrooms to heal any sicknesses then you have to be sure you have the right ones.
There are unpotent strains that give you bad trips (weak) and potent strains that give you euphoric trips (strong). If you take a lot of the strains that give you bad trips it won't make it euphoric all of a sudden. It'll just worsten the trip even more. If you take more of a potent strong strain it'll only make it that much more magical.
Taking potent strong strains will give you feelings of euphoria, sense of purpose in the world, enlightenment, and just overall feel good. These feelings of bliss are enough to calm your depression and anxiety. Anxiety stems from not knowing wth is going in the world and being scared, hence the shaking.
But if you were to take a lot or even a little of the weak strains... You'll just end up with what you call a bad trip. It'll give you twisted thoughts the whole ride which will drive some ppl to suicidal thoughts and this is no good for people with already said cases of depression.
If you want to learn more about gauging potency than read my journal:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21897019
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Leviticus969]
#21969907 - 07/20/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mushrooms triggered some touch-base with divinity or the planetary/Gaian mind that awakened the divinity in myself and have since been FEELING the brain damage from a TBI and schizophrenia heal.

Who knows what's happening, what this circumstance is. My advice, if you have an acquired mental disability, take mushrooms and be pure in heart and poor in spirit.
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Leviticus969] 1
#21969930 - 07/20/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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6Silent9Knight6 said: Well the reason why I'm weary of posting in public is cause I always get conflicted responses from other members but here goes anyways.
If you're looking to mushrooms to heal any sicknesses then you have to be sure you have the right ones.
There are unpotent strains that give you bad trips (weak) and potent strains that give you euphoric trips (strong). If you take a lot of the strains that give you bad trips it won't make it euphoric all of a sudden. It'll just worsten the trip even more. If you take more of a potent strong strain it'll only make it that much more magical.
Taking potent strong strains will give you feelings of euphoria, sense of purpose in the world, enlightenment, and just overall feel good. These feelings of bliss are enough to calm your depression and anxiety. Anxiety stems from not knowing wth is going in the world and being scared, hence the shaking.
But if you were to take a lot or even a little of the weak strains... You'll just end up with what you call a bad trip. It'll give you twisted thoughts the whole ride which will drive some ppl to suicidal thoughts and this is no good for people with already said cases of depression.
If you want to learn more about gauging potency than read my journal:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21897019

what is a potent strain and a weak strain? Do you mean psilocybin species?
Holy moly... Just read your journal... I love my bad and hard trips, I love them because they are as important ass the good ones for me. If you think bad trips are related to fungi genetic, I don't see it or ever experienced it. Its all in your head, not in genetics of the shroom. Sorry but its sounds ridiculous... Troll?
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Grimley]
#21969941 - 07/20/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes. Cubes can vary greatly in potency from garbage to magic.
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Leviticus969]
#21970037 - 07/20/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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6Silent9Knight6 said: Yes. Cubes can vary greatly in potency from garbage to magic.
yeah no shit... But heavens dude! If I were to have weak mushrooms I,would eat more of them to get were I want. And dont you come telling me that eating my weak fungies make bad trips.!?!? is there something i am missing? For me this is pure BS, correct me someone with acceptable data, if not, don't go around recommending burning your grow if your having a bad trip.... Wtf dude?
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Grimley]
#21970090 - 07/20/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I burn what I want. You do what you want. But i wouldnt give bunk shit to people who have depression thats for damned sure.
You seem to think that eating more of garbage will somehow make the garbage into diamonds. This is not true and i'm not trolling.
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Leviticus969] 1
#21970243 - 07/20/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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6Silent9Knight6 said: I burn what I want. You do what you want. But i wouldnt give bunk shit to people who have depression thats for damned sure.
You seem to think that eating more of garbage will somehow make the garbage into diamonds. This is not true and i'm not trolling.
well I'm not eating garbage but shrooms. You are very disrespectful to mushrooms, blaming them for your bad trips,and then burn them....How does it work? How does psilocin and psilocybin change in chemistry in weak mushrooms? I'm very curious!
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Grimley]
#21970542 - 07/20/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont disrespect shrooms. Quite the contrary.
As far as the psilocin and psilocybin in shrooms... I'm not a chemist so I don't know. What determines magic or not in mushrooms is still a mystery to me.
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Leviticus969] 1
#21970600 - 07/20/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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6Silent9Knight6
You have given some very anecdotal and outright false information in this thread. I hope you are just trolling because what you are claiming is completely lacking in any factual reality. Your own "experiences" should not be spread as real information to someone concerned with a mental illness. Just Stop. Please.
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#21970686 - 07/20/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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6Silent9Knight6 said: I dont disrespect shrooms. Quite the contrary.
As far as the psilocin and psilocybin in shrooms... I'm not a chemist so I don't know. What determines magic or not in mushrooms is still a mystery to me.

well, its not a mystery if you learn a thing or two about it, this is just,basic knowledge. The real "mystery" lays way beyond potency issues. Its not logical what you speak...
Using psychedelics as treatment for mental illness, works great with experienced company/environment. IME psychedelics makes your mental hygiene fresh, strong and clean. But its a long road to learn and understand,many "bad" trips and "good" trips, both just as important.
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Cristal]
#21970701 - 07/20/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Psychedelics have CURED my anxiety and depression. Ever since I started taking them about a year ago, my life has been nothing but total happiness and I am at ease with the world.
Some call it enlightenment, and it definitely feels like that.
I haven't been taking them NEARLY as often since I started to notice how much they were helping.
I tried to commit suicide in 2013, twice. Had to go to the ER because of it. My life was total shit, but then I started dabbling with drugs. It started off with weed and opiates, but I wasn't totally satisfied (although weed did help). When I first got my hands on a 10 strip of real LSD, that was the day my life turned around.
It was as if tripping gave me hope in the world, hope in myself, hope for the future, and acceptance of the present. I started to see things how they really were, and learned to deal with everything.
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Grimley]
#21970720 - 07/20/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So just because they are MY experiences than that means they are false? But if I don't buy into the status quo than I am WRONG?
Sounds like sheep mentality to me. YOU stop. Please.
Whatever you do OP... If you decide to take mushrooms to help your depression... Don't take 3.5grams of bunk shrooms cuz it might make you suicidal if you can't handle it.
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6Silent9Knight6 said: I dont disrespect shrooms. Quite the contrary.
As far as the psilocin and psilocybin in shrooms... I'm not a chemist so I don't know. What determines magic or not in mushrooms is still a mystery to me.

well, its not a mystery if you learn a thing or two about it, this is just,basic knowledge. The real "mystery" lays way beyond potency issues. Its not logical what you speak...
Using psychedelics as treatment for mental illness, works great with experienced company/environment. IME psychedelics makes your mental hygiene fresh, strong and clean. But its a long road to learn and understand,many "bad" trips and "good" trips, both just as important.
I agree that bad trips are important also but they are not the kind of trips really, imo, to help with depression. I have a friend that won't ever take shrooms again because he had a really bad ride and ended up with suicidal thoughts the whole time.
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Leviticus969]
#21970814 - 07/20/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gottaloveacid said: Psychedelics have CURED my anxiety and depression. Ever since I started taking them about a year ago, my life has been nothing but total happiness and I am at ease with the world.
Some call it enlightenment, and it definitely feels like that.
I haven't been taking them NEARLY as often since I started to notice how much they were helping.
I tried to commit suicide in 2013, twice. Had to go to the ER because of it. My life was total shit, but then I started dabbling with drugs. It started off with weed and opiates, but I wasn't totally satisfied (although weed did help). When I first got my hands on a 10 strip of real LSD, that was the day my life turned around.
It was as if tripping gave me hope in the world, hope in myself, hope for the future, and acceptance of the present. I started to see things how they really were, and learned to deal with everything.
Nice going, its good to read stories like that. When you touched the beauty of psychedelics you wanna live more to experience more, and at the same time not being afraid of death, cause you've learned there are so much more than THIS!
Just plain fascinating really... My self hated life, before i went on a ayahuasca trip many years ago. After that i slowly bloomed into a better state of mind. Im 100% sure that without psychedelics, i would be dead many years ago..Quote:
6Silent9Knight6 said: So just because they are MY experiences than that means they are false? But if I don't buy into the status quo than I am WRONG?
Sounds like sheep mentality to me. YOU stop. Please.
Whatever you do OP... If you decide to take mushrooms to help your depression... Don't take 3.5grams of bunk shrooms cuz it might make you suicidal if you can't handle it.
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6Silent9Knight6 said: I dont disrespect shrooms. Quite the contrary.
As far as the psilocin and psilocybin in shrooms... I'm not a chemist so I don't know. What determines magic or not in mushrooms is still a mystery to me.

well, its not a mystery if you learn a thing or two about it, this is just,basic knowledge. The real "mystery" lays way beyond potency issues. Its not logical what you speak...
Using psychedelics as treatment for mental illness, works great with experienced company/environment. IME psychedelics makes your mental hygiene fresh, strong and clean. But its a long road to learn and understand,many "bad" trips and "good" trips, both just as important.
I agree that bad trips are important also but they are not the kind of trips really, imo, to help with depression. I have a friend that won't ever take shrooms again because he had a really bad ride and ended up with suicidal thoughts the whole time.
There are some mental illnesses that shouldn't be combined with psychedelic's, therefore many ppl go psychotic and do stupid things. IMO there are no good or bad trips, maybe its just me, bu ive learned that psychedelics is just plain honest, and i had to learn to deal with it, take knowledge from it, and not fear it.
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Grimley]
#21970846 - 07/20/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks guys fro your posts. Im waiting more advices on this subject, im not sure if i will try them, i want to do more search about psilocybin first, get more advices from veteran users, then i'll decide. Maybe at first i will do just microdoses.
@6Silent9Knight6 i wont take mushrooms for depression, my main purpose would be for helping me get rid of the social phobias and the trembles that comes with them. I developed depression because of my anxietys and because im very upset that i cant live my life without fears and being tense almost all the time when on the streets. Im sure depression will fade away if i will find a way to ease my anxietys and the s..t that comes with them.
I have some more questions for people who are microdosing, i know everyone is different but what would be the threshold dose? I read that people who microdose take 0.2-0.5 grams in dry form. I also have read that micro doses have a very calming effect, is this true? How often do you take it and what else can i expect from a micro dose?
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Cristal]
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Cristal said: Thanks guys fro your posts. Im waiting more advices on this subject, im not sure if i will try them, i want to do more search about psilocybin first, get more advices from veteran users, then i'll decide. Maybe at first i will do just microdoses.
@6Silent9Knight6 i wont take mushrooms for depression, my main purpose would be for helping me get rid of the social phobias and the trembles that comes with them. I developed depression because of my anxietys and because im very upset that i cant live my life without fears and being tense almost all the time when on the streets. Im sure depression will fade away if i will find a way to ease my anxietys and the s..t that comes with them.
I have some more questions for people who are microdosing, i know everyone is different but what would be the threshold dose? I read that people who microdose take 0.2-0.5 grams in dry form. I also have read that micro doses have a very calming effect, is this true? What else can i expect from a micro dose?
I had my depression come from social anxiety as well o:
I still have social anxiety, but as time slowly goes on, I have accepted that it is all in my head, and that I don't need to have social anxiety. Drugs help, sure, but it is more of a barrier you need to pass over yourself (in my opinion).
The thing that has helped me most with social anxiety is weed and MDMA, more so than psychedelics. MDMA has taught me that I have the ability to talk to people, which carries over after the drug is done.
Weed has taught me to loosen up, sort of like alcohol but in a much better way. When people see a huge smile on someone's face, they act differently, which makes talking to people even easier for me
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21971074 - 07/20/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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IMO psychedelics doesn't "treat" anything.
it does something better; you learn how you have to treat yourself, and accept things as they are.
its not all about how high dosage, its as important with setting and environment. Start easy and see how far you can stretch it as you get more experienced. Its very individual effects on micro dosages,and what timing. Sometimes i get a calming effect, and sometimes a more speedy. Its all about what state of mind im in while,ingesting psychedelics, regardless how high dosage.
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Grimley]
#21971096 - 07/20/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Grimley said: IMO psychedelics doesn't "treat" anything.
it does something better; you learn how you have to treat yourself, and accept things as they are.
its not all about how high dosage, its as important with setting and environment. Start easy and see how far you can stretch it as you get more experienced. Its very individual effects on micro dosages,and what timing. Sometimes i get a calming effect, and sometimes a more speedy. Its all about what state of mind im in while,ingesting psychedelics, regardless how high dosage.
There are several published papers out there describing exactly how it happens medically.
Basically anxiety, OCD, and depression (mainly those 3) are caused by not specifically a neurotransmitter imbalance, rather it appears to just be bad connections throughout the brain that you cannot break once they form. Basically, psychedelics break the connections and form new ones. Bad ones will form again over time, but if you are in such a good mood afterwards it may be much more difficult for those bad ones to appear again.
Set and setting does play a huge role
I even fixed my HPPD by having a perfect set and setting, which is a whole other topic
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Grimley]
#21974073 - 07/21/15 02:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Grimley said: IMO psychedelics doesn't "treat" anything.
it does something better; you learn how you have to treat yourself, and accept things as they are.
Yes, i know that they are no magic pill, but i hope and it might help to disassociate anxietys from the circumstances/places/events where i got them triggered. Maybe trough same mechanism where it helps people with PTSD.
I have a question, user @Achillita said on the previous page of this thread that if im worried that something can go wrong i should have some benzos at hand because when taken they can end the trip or lessen the experience greatly. Is this a true fact?
What about medical, activated charcoal? I know it can be used in poisoning and that can trap chemicals and prevent further absorption, can charcoal lessen or kill a trip?
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Cristal]
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Grimley said: IMO psychedelics doesn't "treat" anything.
it does something better; you learn how you have to treat yourself, and accept things as they are.
Yes, i know that they are no magic pill, but i hope and it might help to disassociate anxietys from the circumstances/places/events where i got them triggered. Maybe trough same mechanism where it helps people with PTSD.
I have a question, user @Achillita said on the previous page of this thread that if im worried that something can go wrong i should have some benzos at hand because when taken they can end the trip or lessen the experience greatly. Is this a true fact?
What about medical, activated charcoal? I know it can be used in poisoning and that can trap chemicals and prevent further absorption, can charcoal lessen or kill a trip?
yes its very possible to "get better" with psychedelics, and find the "source" of the illness. Unlike benzos that only treats symptoms of the illness yes benzos will calm things down. Charcoal i dunno about...
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Grimley]
#21974133 - 07/21/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I see, and if im on benzos(short acting like xanax) will the mushrooms have any effect on me?
Like always, seems i'll get nowhere in my search for peace to my mind. Always tense, always with fears, always with those tremble/tremors/shakes in social situation.
For me every damn hour is a battle inside me. I know very well that this fears are irrational, that im in no danger, that this fears are foolish and yet here they are. And medicine in this century know shit about them. They give you drugs like SSRI and they dont even know the full mechanism of how they work.
Interesting times we live, naturaly occurred chemicals from plants are illegal for research and synthesized drugs like SSRi's are legal to prescribe even if they have listed as side effects suicide, mania, impotence, fat gain and so on...
Excuses for my complains about my health here, i know everyone has his problems and dosent really need or want to hear about other peoples issues.
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Cristal]
#21974160 - 07/21/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cristal said: I see, and if im on benzos(short acting like xanax) will the mushrooms have any effect on me?
Like always, seems i'll get nowhere in my search for peace to my mind. Always tense, always with fears, always with those tremble/tremors/shakes in social situation.
For me every damn hour is a battle inside me. I know very well that this fears are irrational, that im in no danger, that this fears are foolish and yet here they are. And medicine in this century know shit about them. They give you drugs like SSRI and they dont even know the full mechanism of how they work.
Interesting times we live, naturaly occurred chemicals from plants are illegal for research and synthesized drugs like SSRi's are legal to prescribe even if they have listed as side effects suicide, mania, impotence, fat gain and so on...
Excuses for my complains about my health here, i know everyone has his problems and dosent really need or want to hear about other peoples issues.
yes it will have an effect on you, but maybe reduced if you have benzo active in your system. IMO its a big no, when it comes to benzo. Ive done my fair share of it to have learned it does nothing but shit in the long run. SSRI meds backfire on many ppl, it sad yes, that plants and fungies of mother nature is made illegal, and crap medication like this is literally thrown after you by doctors.
I think many can relate to your feelings and battle. Its a hellish circle to live in, but its all up to you to break it. Using tools like psychedelic to do so is a beautiful reminder of what nature provides.
good vibes and luck to you!
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Grimley]
#21974195 - 07/21/15 04:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had a mental illness throughout my life, but during my days with psychedelics, I was extremely cured. I had the time of my life on psychedelics for 4 years, However, after break up with my gf, my MI exacerbated and I abused weed which led to a drug induced psychosis.
Now I'm perfectly sane but had little social anxiety and paranoid thoughts. I finally got frustrated with my problems, so , for therapeutic and recreational purpose, I dosed myself with 150-200mg of mdma, spaced a few weeks apart and I felt much more healed. I touched a psychedelic after 5 years. My social anxiety is in control and my paranoid thoughts are gone. My dosage of anti psychotics has gone down to 5 mg Olanzapine, that is a very low dose. I feel almost normal after my mdma trips. Only thing is you need the right, set and setting and you gotta be careful that you don't get hooked to mdma. Have some nice relaxing music playing and talk or chat with someone during your trip.
After a few more months, I plan to use a small dose of shrooms or acid to heal myself further. But, I'm feeling healed enough on mdma already!
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Cristal]
#21974229 - 07/21/15 05:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Always trust nature. Skip the benzos or charcoal. Dont be a little girl. Bad trip or not you'll be fine. Take it like a wo-man.
As far as your anxiety... It may be that very reasoning, to believe in these man made laws of how things are supposed to be is whats causing all your problems. Trust your natural instincts and have some confidence in yourself if that makes any sense.
Shrooms are a great way to get back in touch with nature and to witness its power. Try smoking weed with the shroom trip for boosted effects also. Again... Skip the benzos or whatever. Smoke weed lol. Nature provides all.
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Leviticus969]
#21974517 - 07/21/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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6Silent9Knight6 said: So just because they are MY experiences than that means they are false? But if I don't buy into the status quo than I am WRONG?
Sounds like sheep mentality to me. YOU stop. Please.
Whatever you do OP... If you decide to take mushrooms to help your depression... Don't take 3.5grams of bunk shrooms cuz it might make you suicidal if you can't handle it.
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6Silent9Knight6 said: I dont disrespect shrooms. Quite the contrary.
As far as the psilocin and psilocybin in shrooms... I'm not a chemist so I don't know. What determines magic or not in mushrooms is still a mystery to me.

well, its not a mystery if you learn a thing or two about it, this is just,basic knowledge. The real "mystery" lays way beyond potency issues. Its not logical what you speak...
Using psychedelics as treatment for mental illness, works great with experienced company/environment. IME psychedelics makes your mental hygiene fresh, strong and clean. But its a long road to learn and understand,many "bad" trips and "good" trips, both just as important.
I agree that bad trips are important also but they are not the kind of trips really, imo, to help with depression. I have a friend that won't ever take shrooms again because he had a really bad ride and ended up with suicidal thoughts the whole time.
im not sure that i agree with your wording, but i understand what you mean, and your point has been communicated to atleast one person.
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: rxb]
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21975167 - 07/21/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gottaloveacid said: I even fixed my HPPD by having a perfect set and setting, which is a whole other topic
The whole thread aside, I am very, VERY interested in this.
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Leviticus969]
#21975177 - 07/21/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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6Silent9Knight6 said: Always trust nature. Skip the benzos or charcoal. Dont be a little girl. Bad trip or not you'll be fine. Take it like a wo-man.
I dont think its a bad thing to be well informed before jumping into a trip, im not a little girl but its my brain so im being cautious!
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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Cristal]
#21975304 - 07/21/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha just sayin. 
You're not going to die... Just sit back enjoy the ride and you'll be back to normal in no time
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