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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Grimley]
    #21970846 - 07/20/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks guys fro your posts. Im waiting more advices on this subject, im not sure if i will try them, i want to do more search about psilocybin first, get more advices from veteran users, then i'll decide. Maybe at first i will do just microdoses.

@6Silent9Knight6  i wont take mushrooms for depression, my main purpose would be for helping me get rid of the social phobias and the trembles that comes with them. I developed depression because of my anxietys and because im very upset that i cant live my life without fears and being tense almost all the time when on the streets. Im sure depression will fade away if i will find a way to ease my anxietys and the s..t that comes with them.

I have some more questions for people who are microdosing, i know everyone is different but what would be the threshold dose? I read that people who microdose take 0.2-0.5 grams in dry form. I also have read that micro doses have a very calming effect, is this true? How often do you take it and what else can i expect from a micro dose?


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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Cristal]
    #21970862 - 07/20/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Thanks guys fro your posts. Im waiting more advices on this subject, im not sure if i will try them, i want to do more search about psilocybin first, get more advices from veteran users, then i'll decide. Maybe at first i will do just microdoses.

@6Silent9Knight6  i wont take mushrooms for depression, my main purpose would be for helping me get rid of the social phobias and the trembles that comes with them. I developed depression because of my anxietys and because im very upset that i cant live my life without fears and being tense almost all the time when on the streets. Im sure depression will fade away if i will find a way to ease my anxietys and the s..t that comes with them.

I have some more questions for people who are microdosing, i know everyone is different but what would be the threshold dose? I read that people who microdose take 0.2-0.5 grams in dry form. I also have read that micro doses have a very calming effect, is this true? What else can i expect from a micro dose?




I had my depression come from social anxiety as well o:

I still have social anxiety, but as time slowly goes on, I have accepted that it is all in my head, and that I don't need to have social anxiety. Drugs help, sure, but it is more of a barrier you need to pass over yourself (in my opinion).

The thing that has helped me most with social anxiety is weed and MDMA, more so than psychedelics. MDMA has taught me that I have the ability to talk to people, which carries over after the drug is done.

Weed has taught me to loosen up, sort of like alcohol but in a much better way. When people see a huge smile on someone's face, they act differently, which makes talking to people even easier for me


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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21971074 - 07/20/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

IMO psychedelics doesn't "treat" anything.

it does something better; you learn how you have to treat yourself, and accept things as they are.

its not all about how high dosage, its as important with setting and environment. Start easy and see how far you can stretch it as you get more experienced. Its very individual effects on micro dosages,and what timing. Sometimes i get a calming effect, and sometimes a more speedy. Its all about what state of mind im in while,ingesting psychedelics, regardless how high dosage.


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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Grimley]
    #21971096 - 07/20/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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IMO psychedelics doesn't "treat" anything.

it does something better; you learn how you have to treat yourself, and accept things as they are.

its not all about how high dosage, its as important with setting and environment. Start easy and see how far you can stretch it as you get more experienced. Its very individual effects on micro dosages,and what timing. Sometimes i get a calming effect, and sometimes a more speedy. Its all about what state of mind im in while,ingesting psychedelics, regardless how high dosage.




There are several published papers out there describing exactly how it happens medically.

Basically anxiety, OCD, and depression (mainly those 3) are caused by not specifically a neurotransmitter imbalance, rather it appears to just be bad connections throughout the brain that you cannot break once they form. Basically, psychedelics break the connections and form new ones. Bad ones will form again over time, but if you are in such a good mood afterwards it may be much more difficult for those bad ones to appear again.

Set and setting does play a huge role

I even fixed my HPPD by having a perfect set and setting, which is a whole other topic


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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Grimley]
    #21974073 - 07/21/15 02:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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IMO psychedelics doesn't "treat" anything.

it does something better; you learn how you have to treat yourself, and accept things as they are.




Yes, i know that they are no magic pill, but i hope and it might help to disassociate anxietys from the circumstances/places/events where i got them triggered. Maybe trough same mechanism where it helps people with PTSD.

I have a question, user @Achillita said on the previous page of this thread that if im worried that something can go wrong i should have some benzos at hand because when taken they can end the trip or lessen the experience greatly. Is this a true fact?

What about medical, activated charcoal? I know it can be used in poisoning and that can trap chemicals and prevent further absorption, can charcoal lessen or kill a trip?


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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Cristal]
    #21974092 - 07/21/15 03:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Cristal said:
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IMO psychedelics doesn't "treat" anything.

it does something better; you learn how you have to treat yourself, and accept things as they are.




Yes, i know that they are no magic pill, but i hope and it might help to disassociate anxietys from the circumstances/places/events where i got them triggered. Maybe trough same mechanism where it helps people with PTSD.

I have a question, user @Achillita said on the previous page of this thread that if im worried that something can go wrong i should have some benzos at hand because when taken they can end the trip or lessen the experience greatly. Is this a true fact?

What about medical, activated charcoal? I know it can be used in poisoning and that can trap chemicals and prevent further absorption, can charcoal lessen or kill a trip?




yes its very possible to "get better" with psychedelics, and find the "source" of the illness. Unlike benzos that only treats symptoms of the illness
yes benzos will calm things down. Charcoal i dunno about...


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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Grimley]
    #21974133 - 07/21/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I see, and if im on benzos(short acting like xanax) will the mushrooms have any effect on me?

Like always, seems i'll get nowhere in my search for peace to my mind. Always tense, always with fears, always with those tremble/tremors/shakes in social situation.

For me every damn hour is a battle inside me. I know very well that this fears are irrational, that im in no danger, that this fears are foolish and yet here they are. And medicine in this century know shit about them. They give you drugs like SSRI and they dont even know the full mechanism of how they work.

Interesting times we live, naturaly occurred chemicals from plants are illegal for research and synthesized drugs like SSRi's are legal to prescribe even if they have listed as side effects suicide, mania, impotence, fat gain and so on...

Excuses for my complains about my health here, i know everyone has his problems and dosent really need or want to hear about other peoples issues.


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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Cristal]
    #21974160 - 07/21/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I see, and if im on benzos(short acting like xanax) will the mushrooms have any effect on me?

Like always, seems i'll get nowhere in my search for peace to my mind. Always tense, always with fears, always with those tremble/tremors/shakes in social situation.

For me every damn hour is a battle inside me. I know very well that this fears are irrational, that im in no danger, that this fears are foolish and yet here they are. And medicine in this century know shit about them. They give you drugs like SSRI and they dont even know the full mechanism of how they work.

Interesting times we live, naturaly occurred chemicals from plants are illegal for research and synthesized drugs like SSRi's are legal to prescribe even if they have listed as side effects suicide, mania, impotence, fat gain and so on...

Excuses for my complains about my health here, i know everyone has his problems and dosent really need or want to hear about other peoples issues.




yes it will have an effect on you, but maybe reduced if you have benzo active in your system.
IMO its a big no, when it comes to benzo. Ive done my fair share of it to have learned it does nothing but shit in the long run. SSRI meds backfire on many ppl, it sad yes, that plants and fungies of mother nature is made illegal, and crap medication like this is literally thrown after you by doctors.

I think many can relate to your feelings and battle. Its a hellish circle to live in, but its all up to you to break it. Using tools like psychedelic to do so is a beautiful reminder of what nature provides.

good vibes and luck to you!


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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Grimley]
    #21974195 - 07/21/15 04:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I had a mental illness throughout my life, but during my days with psychedelics, I was extremely cured. I had the time of my life on psychedelics for 4 years, However, after break up with my gf, my MI exacerbated and I abused weed which led to a drug induced psychosis.

Now I'm perfectly sane but had little social anxiety and paranoid thoughts. I finally got frustrated with my problems, so , for therapeutic and recreational purpose, I dosed myself with 150-200mg of mdma, spaced a few weeks apart and I felt much more healed. I touched a psychedelic after 5 years. My social anxiety is in control and my paranoid thoughts are gone. My dosage of anti psychotics has gone down to 5 mg Olanzapine, that is a very low dose. I feel almost normal after my mdma trips. Only thing is you need the right, set and setting and you gotta be careful that you don't get hooked to mdma. Have some nice relaxing music playing and talk or chat with someone during your trip.

After a few more months, I plan to use a small dose of shrooms or acid to heal myself further. But, I'm feeling healed enough on mdma already!


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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Cristal]
    #21974229 - 07/21/15 05:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Always trust nature. Skip the benzos or charcoal. Dont be a little girl. Bad trip or not you'll be fine. Take it like a wo-man.

As far as your anxiety... It may be that very reasoning, to believe in these man made laws of how things are supposed to be is whats causing all your problems. Trust your natural instincts and have some confidence in yourself if that makes any sense.

Shrooms are a great way to get back in touch with nature and to witness its power. Try smoking weed with the shroom trip for boosted effects also. Again... Skip the benzos or whatever. Smoke weed lol. Nature provides all.


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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21974517 - 07/21/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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6Silent9Knight6 said:
So just because they are MY experiences than that means they are false? But if I don't buy into the status quo than I am WRONG?


Sounds like sheep mentality to me. YOU stop. Please.

Whatever you do OP... If you decide to take mushrooms to help your depression... Don't take 3.5grams of bunk shrooms cuz it might make you suicidal if you can't handle it.

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I dont disrespect shrooms. Quite the contrary.

As far as the psilocin and psilocybin in shrooms... I'm not a chemist so I don't know. What determines magic or not in mushrooms is still a mystery to me.

:toast:




well, its not a mystery if you learn a thing or two about it, this is just,basic knowledge. The real "mystery" lays way beyond potency issues. Its not logical what you speak...

Using psychedelics as treatment for mental illness, works great with experienced company/environment. IME psychedelics makes your mental hygiene fresh, strong and clean. But its a long road to learn and understand,many "bad" trips and "good" trips, both just as important.





I agree that bad trips are important also but they are not the kind of trips really, imo, to help with depression. I have a friend that won't ever take shrooms again because he had a really bad ride and ended up with suicidal thoughts the whole time.




im not sure that i agree with your wording, but i understand what you mean, and your point has been communicated to atleast one person.


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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: rxb]
    #21974529 - 07/21/15 07:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21975167 - 07/21/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I even fixed my HPPD by having a perfect set and setting, which is a whole other topic




The whole thread aside, I am very, VERY interested in this.


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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21975177 - 07/21/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Always trust nature. Skip the benzos or charcoal. Dont be a little girl. Bad trip or not you'll be fine. Take it like a wo-man.





I dont think its a bad thing to be well informed before jumping into a trip, im not a little girl but its my brain so im being cautious!


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Re: Psilocybin for helping with mental health problems? [Re: Cristal]
    #21975304 - 07/21/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Haha just sayin. :lol:

You're not going to die... Just sit back enjoy the ride and you'll be back to normal in no time :wink:


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