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moehd
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vaping shrooms
#21967324 - 07/19/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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anyone have any experience
i was thinking about juicing some fresh shrooms to get the water content out(i assume pslicyopen is in it) then putting it in a regular vape mixed with weed
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Re: vaping shrooms [Re: moehd]
#21967361 - 07/19/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, this dude:
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Shroomopotamus said: I've never vaped em, but I've smoked em... It worked. Didn't last nearly as long & overall was a waste, but for a bit, I did have some powerful OEV's. The taste was awful and I smoked about 4 bowls of em... Had the taste in the back of my mouth every time I smoked weed or a cig for about the next 24 hours.
From someone with first hand experience on this, I strongly advise against doing so.
Source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21170413#21170413
Extracting psilocybin from mushrooms and converting it to freebase may be just as effective as freebase DMT.
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Re: vaping shrooms [Re: s240779]
#21967373 - 07/19/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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awww
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Re: vaping shrooms [Re: moehd]
#21967380 - 07/19/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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4 bowles yea ill just stick to eating it
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Re: vaping shrooms [Re: moehd]
#21967385 - 07/19/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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A freebase extract would not present the same issues.
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Re: vaping shrooms [Re: s240779]
#21967398 - 07/19/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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would it be the same process as dmt
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Re: vaping shrooms [Re: moehd]
#21967414 - 07/19/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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A key step in the analytical procedure is the extraction of the compounds from the biological material. However, meagre attention has been paid to the extraction procedure. Hofmann et al. (2) found that psilocybin and psilocin are well soluble in methanol, and have subsequently used solely methanol for extraction. Other authors then used this solvent with or without modifications (4,6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13).
I have two articles saved on the topic of extracting psilocybin. The quote above comes from the first one. After extracting, you'd need to convert the psilocybin to freebase — same type of process used to convert cocaine to crack.
Kysilka R, Wurst M. A novel extraction procedure for psilocybin and psilocin determination in mushroom samples. Planta Medica. 1990 Jun. 56(3):327-8.
Casale JF. 1985. An aqueous-organic extraction method for the isolation and identification of psilocin from hallucinogenic mushrooms. Journal of Forensic Science, 30, 247-250.
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Re: vaping shrooms [Re: s240779]
#21967437 - 07/19/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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im no Einstein but im going out on a limb when I say I don't believe that OP will be able to figure out how to extract the goods from mushrooms seeing as how he just wanted to vape the damn things
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Re: vaping shrooms [Re: s240779]
#21967440 - 07/19/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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damn
im gonna have to take a couple chemistry classes before i began to understand that
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Bill_Oreilly said: im no Einstein but im going out on a limb when I say I don't believe that OP will be able to figure out how to extract the goods from mushrooms seeing as how he just wanted to vape the damn things 
i didnt want to vape the shrooms i wanted to vape their juicy goodness
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Re: vaping shrooms [Re: moehd]
#21967464 - 07/19/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It'd be pretty cool if someone puts the effort into extracting shrooms and testing the freebased alkaloids...
It'd probably last longer than DMt, but not longer than eating them.
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And what would be even more convenient would be to simply try it with a psilocybin analog like 4-AcO-DMT, which is simply available for purchase as a freebase powder. In fact, there have to be reports out there already...
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Re: vaping shrooms [Re: s240779]
#21967491 - 07/19/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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who cares about smoking it when we already know IVing it is the most intense experience life has to offer
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i wanted to experiment i smoked dmt multiple times i wanted to see if psilocybin vaped would produce similar or more intense results
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Achillita said: It'd be pretty cool if someone puts the effort into extracting shrooms and testing the freebased alkaloids...
It'd probably last longer than DMt, but not longer than eating them.
Nah it would only be a little bit longer, IV psilocybin only lasts like 10-20 minutes and I would imagine vaping/smoking would be the same
I could definitely see the entire experience being extremely similar to vaped freebase DMT
But how on earth would you get freebase psilocin
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I've smoked Amanitas, and that produced an experience similar to bud. It was about 4 years ago, so unfortunately my memory is kinda hazy.
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Freebase psilocin is pretty unstable. Psilocybin would work just as well, considering you said IV psilocybin works(not sure if it is active), and that smoking a substance is just a way to get a drug into the bloodstream.
An extraction on mushrooms would yield various alkaloids, and then you just freebase what you get. You probably won't be getting any single alkaloid, but you could just freebase it.
I honestly want someone to do this. If I was better at extracting, I'd do it. But I am subpar and don't really wanna work with all the chemicals.
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Gottaloveacid said: Nah it would only be a little bit longer, IV psilocybin only lasts like 10-20 minutes
Yeah, sure, and IV LSD lasts approximately the length of a normal acid trip?
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Re: vaping shrooms [Re: s240779]
#21968187 - 07/19/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Da2ra said:
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Gottaloveacid said: Nah it would only be a little bit longer, IV psilocybin only lasts like 10-20 minutes
Yeah, sure, and IV LSD lasts approximately the length of a normal acid trip? 
Yeah, why the roll eyes? LSD also takes approximately the same duration to take effect when IVed, it doesn't surprise me that it lasts for pretty much the same duration
There are a ton of studies out there where scientists were trying to gauge the psychological effects of mushrooms and study things such as ego death etc and they gave the participants IV psilocybin/psilocin and effects are reported to peak within 5 minutes and last for a total of 10-20 minutes usually, and the experience is very intense from what I hear
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That's just weird. Why the hell would IV shorten the trip so much?
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Re: vaping shrooms [Re: s240779]
#21968210 - 07/19/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't know, but that is why I also believe vaporizing it would be very short. It probably is very similar to DMT, where when you smoke it or IV it, it only lasts for 5-15 minutes but when you take it orally, it lasts for much longer. MAO may have something to do with how it is metabolized in our systems, or maybe it is some other enzyme.
Someone needs to do research on things like that because your guess is frankly as good as mine
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After a mushroom peak, You still keep tripping for a few hours. All the psilocybin is in your system. And it isn't just diminished instantly. It takes longer to break down than DMT because of the hydroxyl group. That's why mushrooms are active alone, but not DMT containing plants.
A MAOI is why ayahuasca lasts so long. Whenever I did syrian rue with mushrooms, I tripped much longer than without it.
Do you have any links saying that psilocybin only lasts 20 minutes when IVed? I did a quick search and couldn't find anything. But I do see how they would peak within 5 minutes as it forgoes digestion. Also, does LSD last the normal 10-12 hours, or does it also gone for in such a short time?
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Here is an article
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25563444
download the entire study and read through it, about 1/4 of the way scrolled down it says how long people experienced the effects.
A direct quote:
All participants commented on the rapid onset of the drug effects. “like hitting a brick wall, and then you're somewhere else”
“I didn't feel anything go into my arm at all... then suddenly you disappear... you just take off”
These intense effects lasted 10-15 minutes after which they gradually subsided. Effects were described as 'barely noticeable' about 60 minutes after the injection."
And to answer your question, from reading reports of people who have tried iv LSD, the effects take the same 15-30 minutes to kick in post injection, and the effects last for the same duration as if you took it any other way (IM, sublingual, oral, intraocular, etc).
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RoA doesn't have that drastic of an effect on duration. It certainly changes the duration to an extent. IME that's largely up to the chemical itself. For instance, I've done MDMA orally and insufflated. Its still very roughly the same duration, but insufflated MDMA comes on faster and is over faster, but only about an hour so. Certain RoA's have a longer or shorter duration simply by their method of processing the chemical; i.e. oral administration takes longer to process anything due to the nature of digestion, as opposed to IV which administers the substance directly into the blood and thus approaches the blood-brain barrier much quicker.
I have no schooling on such things, so take my word with a grain of salt, but it seems kind of common sense to me.
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IMO, that's weird as hell. Other than the onset of the effects being sped up, I can't see why psilocybin would be metabolized faster than if ingested. I know that bill has IVed 4-ACO-DMT, which is nearly exact same as psilocybin and only tripped for around the same duration.
I wonder why are the effects are so sped up though. Maybe it's because of how long it takes the chemical to reach the brain, and is fed slowly overtime.
But then it still makes me wonder why LSD is not affected similarly to psilocybin. God damn it, someone needs to study this.
@pureenergy13 Yeah, I know the method of taking a drug changes how long it lasts, but it doesn't make sense to me that LSD has the same length but psilocybin is reduced GREATLY. When I take mushrooms, the trip lasts probably 4-6 hours. I peak about an hour after taking them. I'd imagine after the peak, that the comedown should still be similar to taking psilocybin orally. But this does not seem to be the case
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Achillita said: IMO, that's weird as hell. Other than the onset of the effects being sped up, I can't see why psilocybin would be metabolized faster than if ingested. I know that bill has IVed 4-ACO-DMT, which is nearly exact same as psilocybin and only tripped for around the same duration.
I wonder why are the effects are so sped up though. Maybe it's because of how long it takes the chemical to reach the brain, and is fed slowly overtime.
But then it still makes me wonder why LSD is not affected similarly to psilocybin. God damn it, someone needs to study this.
@pureenergy13 Yeah, I know the method of taking a drug changes how long it lasts, but it doesn't make sense to me that LSD has the same length but psilocybin is reduced GREATLY. When I take mushrooms, the trip lasts probably 4-6 hours. I peak about an hour after taking them. I'd imagine after the peak, that the comedown should still be similar to taking psilocybin orally. But this does not seem to be the case
I wonder if it has something to do with tryptamines in general, but I am not sure, I would have to do more digging.
It would make some sense though as LSD isn't a tryptamine, rather it is a lysergamide.
Here is an anecdote for an example of aMT, a tryptamine that normally has effects orally of 12 hours or so but when IV, this person reported only a 3 hour experience
https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=20165
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IV 4-aco-dmt lasted longer than smoked dmt, but way less than eating mmushrooms. Id say I was completely down at the 30-40 minute mark.
it was the weirdest most intense rush of my life. It was NOTHING like a cocaine or heroin rush...this was totally different. It was this "chemically" rush...like if you were to get electrocuted and shot with electrical impulses at the same time. Very peculiar. It hits you almost before you can pull the needle out of your arm.
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