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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: Shins]
#21971024 - 07/20/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm wagering on a colostomy bag.
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: sanchothestoner]
#21971033 - 07/20/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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How much blood? was it like a small spot of red in your puke, or was the puke all red?
If the former, sometimes intense vomiting causes small tears in the esophagus that can bleed a little, which is probably not that serious. I have sometimes had a little spot of red when I am puking really hard.
If its like, a substantial amount of red/blood, you need to go to the hospital now.
The mental effects are probably meth psychosis, which is inevitable with any large enough meth binge. Meth will make you go crazy after you binge on it long enough. Too much dopamine in the brain, not enough sleep, etc.
The best thing for meth psychosis is sleep.
What is the story with the guy losing his toes or something? Can someone fill me in?
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: Moonshoe]
#21971041 - 07/20/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Zombi3 did retarded amounts of Etiz and DOC and lost his toes due to the vasoconstriction. He should have probably died. The doctors called it a miracle.
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: GoldenEye]
#21971055 - 07/20/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jesus fucking christ. That poor guy. I warned him SEVERAL times to slow his roll and he was always "thank you for the concern I am totally fine I know what I am doing".
Funny, one of the proposed CA titles was "moonshoe knows best" but instead we got "Dude wheres my toes"
Ironic
Is he still posting here? Is he otherwise ok? Did he lose ALL his toes?
Poor kid.
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: Moonshoe]
#21971059 - 07/20/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just for the record puked up blood can also look like coffee grounds, or a thick black sludge. Excessive amounts of whiskey can make you puke up concentrated used car oil like blood. It's not a pretty sight and tastes/smells like death.
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: Amanita86]
#21971066 - 07/20/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you see what looks like coffee grounds or black sludge you are in BAD trouble and need to go to a hospital IMMEDIATELY.
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: Moonshoe]
#21971071 - 07/20/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you're binging on meth you're already in bad trouble and shoukd probably get help.
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: Moonshoe]
#21971080 - 07/20/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: Shins]
#21971082 - 07/20/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Agreed. Meth is worse then cancer in terms of survival outcome.
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#21971123 - 07/20/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I love how the OP is like "I binged on ridiculous amounts of drugs last night.. why do I feel shitty?"
hmmm gotta think about that one.
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: Shins]
#21971129 - 07/20/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It was only one day though... OP is probably used to staying high for weeks and forgot that even one day of use has its impact.
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: GoldenEye]
#21971136 - 07/20/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im just super glad we have all these shroomery MDs to help out OP. Thank God
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: GoldenEye]
#21971137 - 07/20/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: Adden]
#21971232 - 07/20/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dys said:
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twelvelookslikeu said: I thought suboxone and heroin dont go well together
Precipitated withdrawals from what I understand, which people have said are exponentially worse than even methadone withdrawal.. e.g., 30 days instead of 3 days of full blown sick. I've read of people dying from methadone withdrawal, I can see someone dying of precipitated w/d, or shooting too much heroin to flush the bupe out. I think I'm wrong though on some parts so someone please correct me.
No precipitated withdrawals should clear up in under a day as the buprenorphine kicks in.
It doesn't sounds like OP got precipitated witdrawals, the only things I can think of that would cause this are:
A) The heroin wasn't taking much or any effect.
B) OP does not have a large tolerance to opiates.
Otherwise he should have been horrible sick, like chills, sweats, thrashing around, horrible stomach, pain. Buprenorphine rapidly outcompetes other opiates but has less effect, especially since it kicks the other opiates off almost right away and it takes like three hours to take full effect. The sudden drop in endorphins and w/e is going to happen if you're hooked on strong opiates.
You'll get sick if you take it when you're not already sick is the general rule, but it can even get to the point where you take it when you're feeling sick and you get even sicker. That tends to happen if you abuse suboxone with other opiates because it is strong in a weird way. The more you switch back and forth, the longer and worse the precipitated w/d will get.
If you were hooked on weak opiates suboxone would probably get you high, but it is very strong and atypical opiate that many people don't enjoy. It's a great maintenance drug precisely because it doesn't have a great high in my opinion, and it really takes care of the physical side of things which in someone non-tolerant is going to translate to awful side effects that lasts maybe for a couple days.
Taking too much opiates when you're not tolerant will definitely make you pukey, and the suboxone high is known for those sorts of shitty feelings in people who aren't already tolerant, so precipitated withdrawal might not be the culprit.
It's really doubtful someone would die from precipitated withdrawal. Switching from potent full-agonists like heroin and methadone to suboxone is an awful experience and doing it again and again wore the fuck out of me physically and mentally, but there are degrees to precipitated withdrawals and it's not necessarily that bad as a one time thing. I think OP's problem is more of an issue with his approach to life, and the only thing that can change that is if he makes a concerted effort to give up that BS and take recovery seriously.
Also who knows what was in that juice, I've never heard of that and there could be nonsoluble cuts that are harmful to the lungs. I'd be careful with that.
Edited by moonrockmushy (07/20/15 03:30 PM)
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21971347 - 07/20/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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are you shitting blood too
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21971583 - 07/20/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said:
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Dys said:
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twelvelookslikeu said: I thought suboxone and heroin dont go well together
Precipitated withdrawals from what I understand, which people have said are exponentially worse than even methadone withdrawal.. e.g., 30 days instead of 3 days of full blown sick. I've read of people dying from methadone withdrawal, I can see someone dying of precipitated w/d, or shooting too much heroin to flush the bupe out. I think I'm wrong though on some parts so someone please correct me.
No precipitated withdrawals should clear up in under a day as the buprenorphine kicks in.
It doesn't sounds like OP got precipitated witdrawals, the only things I can think of that would cause this are:
A) The heroin wasn't taking much or any effect.
B) OP does not have a large tolerance to opiates.
Otherwise he should have been horrible sick, like chills, sweats, thrashing around, horrible stomach, pain. Buprenorphine rapidly outcompetes other opiates but has less effect, especially since it kicks the other opiates off almost right away and it takes like three hours to take full effect. The sudden drop in endorphins and w/e is going to happen if you're hooked on strong opiates.
You'll get sick if you take it when you're not already sick is the general rule, but it can even get to the point where you take it when you're feeling sick and you get even sicker. That tends to happen if you abuse suboxone with other opiates because it is strong in a weird way. The more you switch back and forth, the longer and worse the precipitated w/d will get.
If you were hooked on weak opiates suboxone would probably get you high, but it is very strong and atypical opiate that many people don't enjoy. It's a great maintenance drug precisely because it doesn't have a great high in my opinion, and it really takes care of the physical side of things which in someone non-tolerant is going to translate to awful side effects that lasts maybe for a couple days.
Taking too much opiates when you're not tolerant will definitely make you pukey, and the suboxone high is known for those sorts of shitty feelings in people who aren't already tolerant, so precipitated withdrawal might not be the culprit.
It's really doubtful someone would die from precipitated withdrawal. Switching from potent full-agonists like heroin and methadone to suboxone is an awful experience and doing it again and again wore the fuck out of me physically and mentally, but there are degrees to precipitated withdrawals and it's not necessarily that bad as a one time thing. I think OP's problem is more of an issue with his approach to life, and the only thing that can change that is if he makes a concerted effort to give up that BS and take recovery seriously.
Also who knows what was in that juice, I've never heard of that and there could be nonsoluble cuts that are harmful to the lungs. I'd be careful with that.
Thank you for clearing that up. I appreciate the time you took to write all of that up and for the education.
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: Adden] 1
#21971883 - 07/20/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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went to the hospital. all they said i have is some liver damage 
btw, thanks for all the support and shit. i think i was just so excited to get fucked up, i didn't care what would happen. plus meth and klonopin make me wanna do anything and not give a single fuck. together... bad things happen.
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: sanchothestoner] 1
#21971921 - 07/20/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some liver damage?? Did they care to elaborate on that?
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: sanchothestoner] 1
#21971934 - 07/20/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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sanchothestoner said: went to the hospital. all they said i have is some liver damage 
btw, thanks for all the support and shit. i think i was just so excited to get fucked up, i didn't care what would happen. plus meth and klonopin make me wanna do anything and not give a single fuck. together... bad things happen.
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Re: why am i still feel high and puking blood??? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21972036 - 07/20/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some liver damage - I'd hate to be OP's liver.
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