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When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing?
    #21964769 - 07/19/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am on day 6 of "fruiting" and all is well. The mycelium continues to infiltrate the casing layer.

I know that it takes 7-10 days on average for pins to appear but are there any signs right before that happens?

Any negative signs that I should be on the lookout for? There's no funky colors or smells.

Here are some pictures I just took:











That first picture is the best as far as seeing the 'type' of myceliym...as this appears "fuzzy". I have the humidity up, holes filled with polyfill, and fan them a couple times every other day!


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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: MidwestShroomin]
    #21964897 - 07/19/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I get that sometimes when the humidity is to high and there's to much water in the box, let it air out a little bit and it should be fine.


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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: Sokamin]
    #21964995 - 07/19/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Would dropping the temperature influence pinning faster?

High humidity is good. FAE will increase with time as the mushies grow


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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: MidwestShroomin]
    #21965041 - 07/19/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No. No temperature drops. Also it just looks normal to me.. I wouldn't be complaining with a casing looking like that.

High humidity is only needed at the surface, that's why you cased it... you want as much fae as possible all the time. If you keep the casing hydrated/damp with max fae, you'll see an epic pinset. High relative humidity slows down evaporation, and as such a shitty pinset.


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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: MidwestShroomin]
    #21965068 - 07/19/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Dropping the temperature triggers pinning, but it's not that a big of a deal. The only temperature drop I get is from removing the aluminum foil around it, which is only a couple of degrees. High humidity is important, yes, but not to much water overall. FAE should increase when primordia start forming, and the humidity should be lowered after that.


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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: Mad Season]
    #21965099 - 07/19/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No. No temperature drops. Also it just looks normal to me.. I wouldn't be complaining with a casing looking like that.

High humidity is only needed at the surface, that's why you cased it... you want as much fae as possible all the time. If you keep the casing hydrated/damp with max fae, you'll see an epic pinset. High relative humidity slows down evaporation, and as such a shitty pinset.




Awesome, so "relative humidity" would be the humidity that is inside of the tub, ABOVE the casing layer?

I just took the polyfill off of one hole and loosened the other (top holes only, not the bottom).

Or should I take both off?

I figure if I notice my casing layer drying up (by looking lighter compared to when wet) then I can give it a misting and fan the crap out of them so water droplets don't damage the mycelium.

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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: Sokamin]
    #21965146 - 07/19/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

1) dropping temperature slows it down/stalls it. That's why we store in the fridge. It doesn't get a temperature drop in the wild, so it isn't important, and is just used for edibles from different parts of the world. Not a tropical species like cubensis.

2) what foil are you removing?? Foil gets removed at inoculation time..

3) check out this thread: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21856836 I fruited them outside in a zone 2 climate with 1-10% humidity. Altho they have cracked caps from it, they're not retardedly contaminated. People need to stop worrying about humidity so much. High humidity causes less evaporation and has a better climate for bacteria and contaminations.

@OP, 1 hole is good. That's what I do, yes you should mist when the casing gets dry. Generally once a day or every other day.


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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: Mad Season]
    #21965287 - 07/19/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

@Mad Season, I think there's a little bit of confusion here, let me try to expand on what I said:

1)I wasn't talking about a big temperature drop, which you would get from putting it in the fridge. I was talking about a few degrees, like 5-10 degrees, for example from 85 F at casing to 80 F when the casing is done. But I also think it doesn't matter that much, that's what I said about removing the aluminum foil. It basically just drops by a few degrees. I don't force it to be hotter or cooler, I work at room temperature.

2) Which brings me to 2; I case the grains/ add substrate in a clear box with a mycropore filter in the lid. I then place aluminum foil around the box until the myceleum is done colonizing again. After that I place the box in its designated fruiting/cropping area.


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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: Sokamin]
    #21965382 - 07/19/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

@Mad Season, thank you I appreciate the information. Slowly and surely I am getting this whole jigsaw puzzle called mushroom cultivation :wink:

@Sokamin: Can you post pics? Or is it something you read? I can't picture what you've posted in my head..I just know some people use foil instead of wax paper as a casing, not around the tub....


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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: MidwestShroomin]
    #21965626 - 07/19/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This is the small container I was talking about. Maybe something also got messed up in my English, it's not my native language :P.
I took the aluminum foil of a little bit so you could see the container. It's about the size of half a shoe box. After colonizing, I place the grains in the container and cased it with vermiculite and put the lid on. I always wrap the container in aluminum foil until it is ready for fruiting.



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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: Sokamin]
    #21965667 - 07/19/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

As long as air cannot pass through you are fine. Only allow a little (SMALL) opening for gas exchange.

The foil is unnecessary,  light doesn't affect colonization negatively and will actually aid it. Light is beneficial at all stages of growth.

During fruiting however I would tape the sides up to avoid side pins...

By the way, for English not being your native language you speak better than some on here where English IS their native tongue! Kudos


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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: MidwestShroomin]
    #21965752 - 07/19/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The white patch on the lid is a micropore filter and also for gas exchange. The foil is indeed not a real necessity, but when I tested containers with and without the aluminum foil I found that it actually grows a little faster. But I did this a couple of years ago and I'm planning on doing more tests this summer. For the meantime I'm in the mindset of 'never change a winning team'. The boxes are sealed tight, the only way in for air is the filter. I also found that it didn't matter if I taped the sides of the boxes or not, tested that also a few years ago.

PS. Thanks for the compliment, it makes me feel more confident in writing posts in English.


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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: Sokamin]
    #21966162 - 07/19/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I was talking about a few degrees, like 5-10 degrees, for example from 85 F at casing to 80 F when the casing is done.




I don't think anybody I know suggests doing anything at 85F in this hobby.  I do everything at about 73-75 the whole way through.  In the times the temperature coincidentally dropped, like it sometimes does in the winter,  I didn't notice pinning occur any faster than normal for the cultures I was working with.


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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: Inocuole]
    #21966195 - 07/19/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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During fruiting however I would tape the sides up to avoid side pins...


This does nothing. Either use a liner, or make the surface of the mycelium have 99% humidity, so it will pin there instead of the sides.

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I was talking about a few degrees, like 5-10 degrees, for example from 85 F at casing to 80 F when the casing is done.




I don't think anybody I know suggests doing anything at 85F in this hobby.  I do everything at about 73-75 the whole way through.  In the times the temperature coincidentally dropped, like it sometimes does in the winter,  I didn't notice pinning occur any faster than normal for the cultures I was working with.



:whathesaid: it shouldn't exceed 75 from start to finish.

Also you noticed it colonize faster in the dark because you had an aggressive culture in the dark. When 2 spores meet to make a hyphae, they could indeed make a strain that is faster than the other pairings of spores from the same print. This usually messes up people's results. I don't really trust anything unless it was done with clones/isolates, and even then it's still iffy.


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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: Mad Season]
    #21966629 - 07/19/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So much discussion from giving an example. That's why I said it was an example, an example in dropping the temperature a few degrees, because apparently to some, a few degrees means dropping it from room temperature to fridge temperature.

I didn't say that the results I got from the tests I did are written in stone, I just expanded on why I did something. I even mentioned that I just do this because I has worked for me in the past. I didn't anywhere state that anyone should use my elaboration about my method as a proof of concept about what to do and what not to do. 

And yes I also normally work at around 75F and lets make it very clear again, because some of you still don't seem to get it. I do not suggest working at 85F and I do not suggest that anyone takes my personal experience around wrapping containers as a proof of concept, nor did I ever state any of that.


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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: Sokamin]
    #21966652 - 07/19/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Even if it was an example, for every 1 person saying something, 1000 users will read it at some point. We just don't want them reading any misinformation. If the both of us thought it was misinformation, we're just making it better for the people reading this down the line. You'd be surprised how many people still think they should be incubated and left in the dark.

You shouldn't take it as offensive. It's just meant to help others besides yourself and the op too.


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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: Mad Season]
    #21966693 - 07/19/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: Mad Season]
    #21966698 - 07/19/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not offended by it, I just wanted to make it abundantly clear that what I wrote was not to be taken as a proof of concept so it could not be taken that way. That is also why I gave the 'old habits die hard' remark. Because that is basically what it is, sometimes you just stick with something without having a logical reason why. 

And from now on I will calculate Celsius to Fahrenheit, so I can give the proper numbers when giving examples or past experiences.


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Re: When mycelium looks fuzzy is that a bad thing? [Re: Sokamin]
    #21966772 - 07/19/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So much discussion from giving an example. That's why I said it was an example, an example in dropping the temperature a few degrees, because apparently to some, a few degrees means dropping it from room temperature to fridge temperature.

I didn't say that the results I got from the tests I did are written in stone, I just expanded on why I did something. I even mentioned that I just do this because I has worked for me in the past. I didn't anywhere state that anyone should use my elaboration about my method as a proof of concept about what to do and what not to do. 

And yes I also normally work at around 75F and lets make it very clear again, because some of you still don't seem to get it. I do not suggest working at 85F and I do not suggest that anyone takes my personal experience around wrapping containers as a proof of concept, nor did I ever state any of that.




It's all good, but I suspect the foil just insulates the box and you get a little temp boost during the active O2 metabolism of colonization.  I do something similar in mini tubs with micropore tape over a couple of holes for GE and close fitting lids and it works fine just like that sitting wherever. :thumbup:



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