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OfflineLived_1978-2043
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Is it time for newer countries away from all these poorly established old countries?
    #21964155 - 07/19/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Poorly established?! Take the United States of America... Society here has problematic kinds rearing up because of her bad history.

The beginning makings of a country determines what society in it will be like in its future. And it is usually either a majority bad or a minority bad w/ all of these poorly established countries.

O, there is plenty of space on our planet for newer countries to become! Where?! An answer lies in fleets of more advanced cruise ships which can cruise locations out in the oceans, away from other established territories. How? The world is now advanced enough to make such a reality. There just needs to be more thought given to this. A few established countries would have to jump start the "newer ocean counties by cruise ship fleets" of course.

All current societies over land masses are with problems stemming from their land territories' beginning makings. You'd be kidding yourself if you said other wise.

Discuss.


Edited by Lived_1978-2043 (07/19/15 11:05 AM)


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Re: Is it time for newer countries away from all these poorly established old countries? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
    #21964446 - 07/19/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>The beginning makings of a country determines what society in it will be like in its future

you need to flesh out and establish your premise.


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Re: Is it time for newer countries away from all these poorly established old countries? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
    #21964470 - 07/19/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure what your argument is. Are you saying we should start permanent communities on cruise ships? Because that would be a terrible plan.


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Re: Is it time for newer countries away from all these poorly established old countries? [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21964487 - 07/19/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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BoldAsLove said:
I'm not sure what your argument is. Are you saying we should start permanent communities on cruise ships? Because that would be a terrible plan.



And even if we had the money and technology to do this, the cruise ships would be worth so much that "countries" would fight each other for their ships anyway. Anyway, I don't know why I replied. This discussion is way too hypothetical and unrealistic.


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Re: Is it time for newer countries away from all these poorly established old countries? [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21964554 - 07/19/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

People who wish to leave the old way of things would be what newer ocean countries could be for.

Not talking re-colonizing either.

And I am talking VIA advancing the cruise ship invention for such in order for it to work out.


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Re: Is it time for newer countries away from all these poorly established old countries? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
    #21964594 - 07/19/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Off the top of my head, here are the problems with a floating colony:

Food production
Fresh water production
Energy production
Hygiene
Disease control
Safety in rough weather
Safety from pirates and other countries
Internal conflicts from being in such a confined space
Having sufficient back up systems

Just look at how quickly shit goes to absolute hell whenever a cruise ship gets stranded. Attempting to start an ocean colony would be a mess.


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Re: Is it time for newer countries away from all these poorly established old countries? [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21993786 - 07/25/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hydroponics would be a way to have plenty of food and save water.

There are already plenty of methods to desalinate sea water into drinkable water. A few small island countries do this when there is no natural water supply.

Energy production would probably be the hardest thing to deal with. I mean you could have some sort of water generators, or solar power, but it'd be quite a bit of money.

You could make a cruise ship country be self sufficient, but it'd need incredible amounts of money to start this. Plus there would need to be some sort of export or recourse so your vessel can exist in the worlds economy.

I see it more likely that there will be nations that are basically large platforms. That way they can engage in oil drilling or fishing as an export. Or man made islands be their own countries, if they make them large enough that is.


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Re: Is it time for newer countries away from all these poorly established old countries? [Re: Achillita]
    #21993804 - 07/25/15 06:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Somalian guerrillas  is gonna steal a whole country now! Ohs and noes!


Sorry bro but I think its a dumb idea.


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Re: Is it time for newer countries away from all these poorly established old countries? [Re: nuentoter]
    #21993807 - 07/25/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh definately, at the moment having a cruise ship country is idiotic. No exports, few jobs. No cruise ship is going to be big enough to hold a whole countries populace.

But having a country that is on large platforms would be much more doable. Especially considering you can have them hold up against hurricanes and not break down.

A small active military and a few alliances would prevent any attacks to your tiny country though. It wouldn't be cost effective, but it'd work.


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Re: Is it time for newer countries away from all these poorly established old countries? [Re: Achillita]
    #21994283 - 07/25/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Achillita said:
Hydroponics would be a way to have plenty of food and save water.

There are already plenty of methods to desalinate sea water into drinkable water. A few small island countries do this when there is no natural water supply.

Energy production would probably be the hardest thing to deal with. I mean you could have some sort of water generators, or solar power, but it'd be quite a bit of money.

You could make a cruise ship country be self sufficient, but it'd need incredible amounts of money to start this. Plus there would need to be some sort of export or recourse so your vessel can exist in the worlds economy.

I see it more likely that there will be nations that are basically large platforms. That way they can engage in oil drilling or fishing as an export. Or man made islands be their own countries, if they make them large enough that is.




We can desalinate ocean water, but it's an extremely energy intensive project no matter how you do it. We can grow food, but to sustain a decent population, you need lots of space and lots of light (more energy).

And this still doesn't address my biggest concern, health. Just look at what happens on some cruises. Having that many people, that close together, eating the same food, is bound to cause problems.

Having temporary cities, on oil rigs and what not, is totally feasible, and perhaps even cost effective. But having a self-sustaining ocean community just doesn't seem possible to me.


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Re: Is it time for newer countries away from all these poorly established old countries? [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22003398 - 07/27/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Step one is to form a stable government with enough funding to enforce the laws it passes. From there you have order. Once you have order, you can build.


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Re: Is it time for newer countries away from all these poorly established old countries? [Re: Patlal]
    #22016811 - 07/29/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Soon we will all be floating countries, from global warming, Waterworld and Kevin Costner, yeah!


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Re: Is it time for newer countries away from all these poorly established old countries? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22018519 - 07/30/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I remember seeing something on pbs a long time ago how scientists and civil engineers were predicting that we would soon start building large floating cities and mega tower like cities on land as a way to cope with over population.  china is building land in the see to try and expand their boarders


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