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Re: Please help me ID [Re: Blazer420]
    #21952443 - 07/16/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Can large doses of mushrooms permanently damage you in the same way as 'heroic'-(idiotic) doses of LSD can?
Can it ruin your mind?


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Re: Please help me ID [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #21952463 - 07/16/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Yes it can, in some ways.


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Re: Please help me ID [Re: Blazer420]
    #21952702 - 07/16/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

It's a blessing in disguise :wink:


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Re: Please help me ID [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #21953694 - 07/16/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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maynardjameskeenan said:
Can large doses of mushrooms permanently damage you in the same way as 'heroic'-(idiotic) doses of LSD can?
Can it ruin your mind?




To be honest, I'm surprised you are asking this - I had the impression you had been around the traps a bit.
In answer to your question, evidence suggests not. There are lifetimes of information out there to read, but you need to sort the wheat from the chaff, and find out who has done what in researching this.

This is a discussion that could go on for a long time, but I'll stick my views and observations down as quickly and coherently as I can.

Psilocybin can create a psychosis like state during the experience in most people: http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v20/n5/full/1395291a.html ;  The psychosis like symptoms may linger after the experience. The higher the dose the more likely the psychosis like symptoms. Normal, temporary, and probably not a lot to worry about. Large repeated doses can exacerbate this after effect. Repeated large doses over an extended period can create ongoing phenomena, if one hasn't integrated the learnings and experiences into everyday living. Ultimately, I wonder that is someone is relatively healthy that they are unlikely to have problems long term as a result. The brain is so complex that we really don't understand it.

There is a lot to learn regarding psychedelics and the window they give into the spiritual.

I think this is why I am personally so anti the use of psychedelics as a 'recreational' drug. These are a sacrament, (particularly at high doses) and the western world has turned it's back on true and ancient spiritual practices. We need experienced shamans and leaders in this area to help manage what is going on. There is nothing recreational about these substances and there are plenty of idiots out there experimenting in totally inappropriate circumstances. One guy on this thread in a year past decided to go out on a Saturday night to a party and eat a fairly hefty dose of P, subaeruginosa, and then had a 'bad' trip. No surprise there. Totally inappropriate set and setting and preparation. As Terence McKenna suggested - psilocybin is something to be experienced in the dark in private on your own with a good sitter if needed.

There are downsides and there are some who should not experiment with psychedelics. If on medications (I was stunned at the number of pharmaceuticals / supermarket outlet preparations) that have serotonin receptor involvement). People with mental disorders need to be very careful, as it can exacerbate an existing condition. (edit: Something I should add in here is evidence suggests that if one has a proclivity to schizophrenia, psilocybin may have the potential to kick it off )

I hypothesised in 2013 (not knowing that the work had already been done)that psilocybin can create neurogenesis (new brain cells) and at the time raised it in a personal exchange with a well known psychologist in this area. His response was that there was no evidence to suggest that was the case, but that has now changes with the work of Juan R. Sanchez-Ramos, M.D., Ph.D. Here is a link to a video presentation of his, his research paper extract and the full document:



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23727882

http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Effects%20of%20psilocybin%20on%20hippocampal%20neurogenesis%20and%20extinction%20of%20trace%20fear%20conditioning.pdf

Psilocybn also has a calming effect on the amygdala. This can reduce fears and anxieties, including end of life anxiety. The work of Charles Grob and Roland Griffiths in the area should be yelled about from the rooftops.

We need to mature as a society.

(WAY off topic and no doubt I will be eviscerated by a Mod)


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Re: Please help me ID [Re: Ghost0420]
    #21953993 - 07/16/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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Ghost0420 said:
The most I have ever dropped at once is 20grams dried, goal is an oz.



:callingbullshit:



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Last nights 2am haul, one particular patch will probably fruit into October-November like it did last year.


This allways happens when I leave fresh subs in a white paper bags overnight



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Re: Please help me ID [Re: Ghost0420]
    #21954376 - 07/16/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

A picture of 20g of mushrooms doesn't prove you ate all them at once, but anyway. How do you dry? Are those 100% dry? Because I can tell that they are mostly dry but a little bit of moisture would increase the weight by a lot. If you really dropped 20g at once then props. I could not even imagine downing that many mushrooms, that's like a full fuckin' meal! And the experience that would come from that.. uh I really doubt I would be coming down from that as the same person. Did you describe the experience yet? I would love to know how that would go down.


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Re: Please help me ID [Re: Bluing] * 1
    #21954379 - 07/16/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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Bluing said:


(WAY off topic and no doubt I will be eviscerated by a Mod)






Not from I you wont. You hit the nail on the head with your post and your post is the best thing I've read in this thread for some time. Better than the pissing matches going on. I too raised an eyebrow at Maynard's question. Carry on!


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Re: Please help me ID [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #21954449 - 07/17/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

had thought Maynard was being sarcastic.......

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'heroic'-(idiotic)
Can it ruin your mind?




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Re: Please help me ID [Re: Bluing]
    #21954460 - 07/17/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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Bluing said:
Quote:

maynardjameskeenan said:
Can large doses of mushrooms permanently damage you in the same way as 'heroic'-(idiotic) doses of LSD can?
Can it ruin your mind?




To be honest, I'm surprised you are asking this - I had the impression you had been around the traps a bit.
In answer to your question, evidence suggests not. There are lifetimes of information out there to read, but you need to sort the wheat from the chaff, and find out who has done what in researching this.

This is a discussion that could go on for a long time, but I'll stick my views and observations down as quickly and coherently as I can.

Psilocybin can create a psychosis like state during the experience in most people: http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v20/n5/full/1395291a.html ;  The psychosis like symptoms may linger after the experience. The higher the dose the more likely the psychosis like symptoms. Normal, temporary, and probably not a lot to worry about. Large repeated doses can exacerbate this after effect. Repeated large doses over an extended period can create ongoing phenomena, if one hasn't integrated the learnings and experiences into everyday living. Ultimately, I wonder that is someone is relatively healthy that they are unlikely to have problems long term as a result. The brain is so complex that we really don't understand it.

There is a lot to learn regarding psychedelics and the window they give into the spiritual.

I think this is why I am personally so anti the use of psychedelics as a 'recreational' drug. These are a sacrament, (particularly at high doses) and the western world has turned it's back on true and ancient spiritual practices. We need experienced shamans and leaders in this area to help manage what is going on. There is nothing recreational about these substances and there are plenty of idiots out there experimenting in totally inappropriate circumstances. One guy on this thread in a year past decided to go out on a Saturday night to a party and eat a fairly hefty dose of P, subaeruginosa, and then had a 'bad' trip. No surprise there. Totally inappropriate set and setting and preparation. As Terence McKenna suggested - psilocybin is something to be experienced in the dark in private on your own with a good sitter if needed.

There are downsides and there are some who should not experiment with psychedelics. If on medications (I was stunned at the number of pharmaceuticals / supermarket outlet preparations) that have serotonin receptor involvement). People with mental disorders need to be very careful, as it can exacerbate an existing condition. (edit: Something I should add in here is evidence suggests that if one has a proclivity to schizophrenia, psilocybin may have the potential to kick it off )

I hypothesised in 2013 (not knowing that the work had already been done)that psilocybin can create neurogenesis (new brain cells) and at the time raised it in a personal exchange with a well known psychologist in this area. His response was that there was no evidence to suggest that was the case, but that has now changes with the work of Juan R. Sanchez-Ramos, M.D., Ph.D. Here is a link to a video presentation of his, his research paper extract and the full document:



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23727882

http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Effects%20of%20psilocybin%20on%20hippocampal%20neurogenesis%20and%20extinction%20of%20trace%20fear%20conditioning.pdf

Psilocybn also has a calming effect on the amygdala. This can reduce fears and anxieties, including end of life anxiety. The work of Charles Grob and Roland Griffiths in the area should be yelled about from the rooftops.

We need to mature as a society.

(WAY off topic and no doubt I will be eviscerated by a Mod)



Thank you very much for the well written reply.


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Re: Please help me ID [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #21954549 - 07/17/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

You are welcome. I'm unwell at moment, so please excuse grammatical and spelling issues throughout it.


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Re: Please help me ID [Re: Bluing]
    #21961807 - 07/18/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Psilocybe subsecotioides.
This is the new patch that I showed a page or two earlier, coming along nicely despite fresh snow on the hills. They must like this environment.



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Re: Please help me ID [Re: Bluing]
    #21962605 - 07/18/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Nice Bluing. Which do you think of the NZ actives are the ones that are more cold tolerant?

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Re: Please help me ID [Re: Bagels]
    #21962677 - 07/18/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

:vaped:

Edited by Signeg (07/19/15 06:11 AM)

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Re: **THE OFFICIAL NEW ZEALAND PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOM SEASON THREAD 2015** [Re: Signeg]
    #21963181 - 07/19/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Hey all, this is my first season. I'm in Canterbury. Was wondering if anyone could tell me How much longer  Subaeruginosa will fruit for? My patch/area is quite exposed to frost, but will a more sheltered spot in a forest fruit further into winter.

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Re: Please help me ID [Re: Bagels]
    #21963216 - 07/19/15 01:02 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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Nice Bluing. Which do you think of the NZ actives are the ones that are more cold tolerant?




P. subsecotioides seem to be. The cap is at least partially enclosed, so less susceptible to drying out. The cap not being flat means it doesn't catch as much early frost and they do seem to start fruiting slightly later as well. I think the forest environment means that Psilocybe wereroa had a distinct advantage beyond that. I know of at least one person here who believes P. wereroa are capable of fruiting the entire year in places, and showed me some pretty compelling evidence of it.

Think winter and very cold wind means very very dry air - desiccating-ly  so. Flat cap fruits don't have much hope once we get frosts although micro climates can exist anywhere. The P. subsecotioides cap is also denser that P. suberuginosa so that alone means longer dying time in harsh conditions.

I'm fairly surprised to see that last lot of photos I took showing the new patch still pinning and fruiting strongly, as the area is quite exposed although there is a high tree canopy protecting from frost and we have had a lots of rain.
If you look at the last page of the 2013 NZ Thread you will see a photo I posting of finds on 18th October. They were a bit dried but still viable fruits.

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Re: Please help me ID [Re: Bluing]
    #21963344 - 07/19/15 02:19 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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Bluing said:
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Bagels said:
Nice Bluing. Which do you think of the NZ actives are the ones that are more cold tolerant?




P. subsecotioides seem to be. The cap is at least partially enclosed, so less susceptible to drying out. The cap not being flat means it doesn't catch as much early frost and they do seem to start fruiting slightly later as well. I think the forest environment means that Psilocybe wereroa had a distinct advantage beyond that. I know of at least one person here who believes P. wereroa are capable of fruiting the entire year in places, and showed me some pretty compelling evidence of it.

Think winter and very cold wind means very very dry air - desiccating-ly  so. Flat cap fruits don't have much hope once we get frosts although micro climates can exist anywhere. The P. subsecotioides cap is also denser that P. suberuginosa so that alone means longer dying time in harsh conditions.

I'm fairly surprised to see that last lot of photos I took showing the new patch still pinning and fruiting strongly, as the area is quite exposed although there is a high tree canopy protecting from frost and we have had a lots of rain.
If you look at the last page of the 2013 NZ Thread you will see a photo I posting of finds on 18th October. They were a bit dried but still viable fruits.



Awesome, reading that old thread has now got me all fired up to go on a hunt this week  :biggrin:

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Re: Please help me ID [Re: Bagels]
    #21963577 - 07/19/15 06:04 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks Bluing, for an interesting post.

My subsec patch is quite exposed to wind and sun. I haven't been up there in a while. I should go check it out.

Interesting that you say weraroa fruit later in the season and can fruit all year around. I have to say, the latest fruit I've found was in late August. But generally, I find they fruit early in the season, and profusely. My patch produces hundreds in April/May, but then things slow down considerably.

I dunno, I guess micro-climates dictate a lot about fruiting.

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Re: Please help me ID [Re: dash17]
    #21968330 - 07/20/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Nice to see all of you have had a good season! Ive been looking for my second season and haven't had any luck but ive got some spots sussed for next season. Brought some mushrooms though and tried them last night for the first time, wow what an experience. These baby's are powerful.

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Re: Please help me ID [Re: Tripme]
    #21969147 - 07/20/15 04:38 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

My sub patches are empty. Might the season be drawing to a close in Wellington?

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Re: Please help me ID [Re: dash17]
    #21971381 - 07/20/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I think I will go check some patches today and confirm whether or not hawkes bay is done or not. Hope to see some pins after the recent dump of rain. Still cold af and windy so might be all dry.

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