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Kurds found Saddam, not US
    #2196175 - 12/22/03 05:04 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Yet another lie by the Bush administration and their public relations team, aka the media.

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Saddam was held by Kurdish forces, drugged and left for US troops

Sat Dec 20,11:00 PM ET


LONDON, (AFP) - Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) was captured by US troops only after he had been taken prisoner by Kurdish forces, drugged and abandoned ready for American soldiers to recover him, a British Sunday newspaper said


Saddam came into the hands of the Kurdish Patriotic Front after being betrayed to the group by a member of the al-Jabour tribe, whose daughter had been raped by Saddam's son Uday, leading to a blood feud, reported the Sunday Express, which quoted an unnamed senior British military intelligence officer.

The newspaper said the full story of events leading up to the ousted Iraqi president's capture on December 13 near his hometown of Tikrit in northern Iraq (news - web sites), "exposes the version peddled by American spin doctors as incomplete".

A former Iraqi intelligence officer, whom the Express did not name, told the paper that Saddam was held prisoner by a leader of the Kurdish Patriotic Front, which fought alongside US forces during the Iraq war, until he negotiated a deal.

The deal apparently involved the group gaining political advantage in the region.

An unnamed Western intelligence source in the Middle East told the Express: "Saddam was not captured as a result of any American or British intelligence. We knew that someone would eventually take their revenge, it was just a matter of time."




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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2196259 - 12/22/03 05:41 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting if it's true.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2196267 - 12/22/03 05:46 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I have no way of knowing which version of the story is true.

Funny you'd just assume the story you posted is correct.

Can we say preconceived notion?


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2196276 - 12/22/03 05:52 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

It's certainly interesting. Apparently there's a conspiracy theory going around based on this picture at the moment.



There's an article saying that dates ripen (and turn yellow) in August, not December. They think that the pic showing Saddam's hole was taken months ago.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2196277 - 12/22/03 05:52 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

interesting. any other links?

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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Edame]
    #2196283 - 12/22/03 05:55 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

hm.

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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2196379 - 12/22/03 06:39 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

What, Yahoo isn't reputable enough for you? Here's another, but i'm not sure how reliable it is...



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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2196388 - 12/22/03 06:43 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

It's definately plausible,but like Luv said,why do you automatically assume this version is true?


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: monoamine]
    #2196404 - 12/22/03 06:50 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

why do you automatically assume Fox News' version is true?


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: monoamine]
    #2196418 - 12/22/03 06:55 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, why would I doubt George Bush?

What was I thinking?





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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: afoaf]
    #2196443 - 12/22/03 07:17 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Fox news is a more reliable source than an "unnamed british newspaper."


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2196447 - 12/22/03 07:19 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

"A former Iraqi intelligence officer, whom the Express did not name, told the paper that Saddam was held prisoner by a leader of the Kurdish Patriotic Front,"

As we all know, former Iraqi intelligence officers never lie.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2196478 - 12/22/03 07:34 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Still more credible than Bush




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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2196482 - 12/22/03 07:37 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Apparently Bush is more credible than Learyfan.


At least you're open about your non-credibility.  :laugh:


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2196488 - 12/22/03 07:41 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I am not open about my non-crediblity. Wait.....





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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2196559 - 12/22/03 08:19 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm. The Express? Isn't that one of those cheesy Brit tabloid scandal rags? Perhaps some of our frequent posters from the UK could give us an opinion of the quality of current affairs reporting normally found in The Express.

On the other hand, Scrappleface (motto: "News fairly unbalanced. We report. You decipher) has this to say --


Kurds Lead Way to Spider Hole, Bush Re-Election

(2003-12-21) -- Kurds lead the way to Saddam Hussein's 'spider hole' on December 13, as part of U.S. President George Bush's intricate plan to recapture the White House in 2004. The top-secret Bush plot was dubbed Operation Muffet.

The involvement of forces from the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) was revealed by Britain's Sunday Express this morning, but the underlying motives of the Bush administration emerged only from an off-the-record interview with a senior Democrat presidential campaign official.

"[Ambassador] Paul Bremer said 'We got him' but it was really the Kurds who got Saddam," said an unnamed senior aide to presidential hopeful Howard Dean. "It's all part of [White House political advisor] Karl Rove's ingenious plan to get Bush re-elected. Part of the strategy is to continually make false claims that can be easily refuted by eyewitnesses."

The source said it's unclear how the Rove plan could result in a second Bush term, but he added that "Karl is a monolithic mastermind."

"One theory that's out there," said the Dean aide, "Is that the PUK is really the vanguard of the Bush re-election campaign. They're channeling money from Kurdish villages to Bush 2004. They lead U.S. troops to the spider hole, and they're leading Bush to a second term. Of course, that can't be proved. But the theory is out there."

http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/001441.html

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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Phred]
    #2196571 - 12/22/03 08:25 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

So Scrapple is the new Onion?




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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2196576 - 12/22/03 08:27 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Waitaminnit.

How exactly does this contradict the previous version of "the story"?


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2196584 - 12/22/03 08:30 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Huh?




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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2196600 - 12/22/03 08:35 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

My reccolection of "the story" was that some Iraqi's led them to where Saddam was.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2196614 - 12/22/03 08:41 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

The official story was that some Iraqi led the US to the place where Saddam was hidden and said "keep looking", etc..

This story says that the Kurds actually drugged Saddam and left him for the US to find.




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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2196623 - 12/22/03 08:47 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Learyfan said:
The official story was that some Iraqi led the US to the place where Saddam was hidden and said "keep looking", etc..

This story says that the Kurds actually drugged Saddam and left him for the US to find.







I also read somewhere that the US found aliens in Roswell New Mexico in 1969 and have been hiding them from us. I also read the George Bush Senior was the man who pulled the trigger on JFK.

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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2196624 - 12/22/03 08:47 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

It sounds more like just a more detailed rendition of the same story. I can't really see how any actual lying, fabrication, or dishonesty is involved.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2196631 - 12/22/03 08:49 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

You don't see how any lying, fabrication or dishonestly was involved in taking us to war.




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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2196655 - 12/22/03 08:58 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Is that what this thread is about now?

I don't know that Bush lied to get us into war. He may have. It would certainly appear that he very likely may have at least been wrong about some of the reasons he gave.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2196666 - 12/22/03 09:03 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

So it's acceptable that the President of the US lies. That's tolerable to you.






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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2196687 - 12/22/03 09:17 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Those Kurds are some amazing dudes, man.

They capture the most wanted man in the world -- the same guy responsible for murdering a whole shitload of Kurds -- and they not only don't torture and kill his ass on the spot; they not only give up the $25 million reward; they dope him up, put him back in his hole with his pistol and his cash, calculate the dosage of the drug so it wears off in time for him to be conscious at the time of the raid but not conscious enough to bug out to some other place before the raid goes down, then trust the 600 troops to have their shit together enough to get there in time and actually find the hidey-hole.

Gee, maybe they are sly enough to get Bush re-elected after all.

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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2196695 - 12/22/03 09:20 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

yes, Some "lies" I'm OK with. I'm not OK with lies made with the sole intention to decieve Americans in order to sway them into agreeing to go along with something.

but If Iraqi's come out of this situation "so free that they can fly" then I'm personally gonna let it slide if he overstated his confidence in some evidence, or even just flat out lied.

Which, by the way, we don't know that he did.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2196700 - 12/22/03 09:22 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

its tough for me to believe anything that Bush says. He has the mind of a six year old child and is a very poor spoken person (he just sounds dis-honest, or fishing for sympathy)

as far as the kurds drugging him, he did look pretty fucked up in those photos taken after his capture.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2196735 - 12/22/03 09:31 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

no one has ever proved bush lied.

he may have been misleading, but i don't think he ever blatantly lied.

i guess you can argue that being misleading is lying, but calling it lying is
using the word to make your cause more appealing. the left seems to love
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    #2196851 - 12/22/03 10:31 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

How long are you people going to pretend that it's ok to have these money hungry cash whores as our leaders?

How long are you going to make excuses for them?

What will it take?





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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2196909 - 12/22/03 11:09 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)


How long are you people going to pretend that it's ok to have these
money hungry cash whores as our leaders?

How long are you going to make excuses for them?

What will it take?


I was under the impression that all politicians are money-hungry
cash whores.  :smirk:  Even those "champions" of the downtrodden, the democrats.

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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2197213 - 12/23/03 05:01 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

What will it take?



It will take PROOF.

Which is the same thing I imagine you'd want to be used if you were ever accused of something.

You would like it if proof was required to convict you of something.... wouldn't you?


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Phred]
    #2197362 - 12/23/03 08:06 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Those Kurds are some amazing dudes, man.

They capture the most wanted man in the world -- the same guy responsible for murdering a whole shitload of Kurds -- and they not only don't torture and kill his ass on the spot; they not only give up the $25 million reward; they dope him up, put him back in his hole with his pistol and his cash, calculate the dosage of the drug so it wears off in time for him to be conscious at the time of the raid but not conscious enough to bug out to some other place before the raid goes down, then trust the 600 troops to have their shit together enough to get there in time and actually find the hidey-hole.

Gee, maybe they are sly enough to get Bush re-elected after all.

pinky




These were my exact thoughts as I read the lunacy in the first post.  :rolleyes:

Some people will believe anything if it fits their agenda.

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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2197380 - 12/23/03 08:17 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

you're so cute when you conspiricise. :rolleyes:


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2197507 - 12/23/03 09:56 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

but If Iraqi's come out of this situation "so free that they can fly"

Kinda like the Afghans did?

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    #2197511 - 12/23/03 09:58 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

You would like it if proof was required to convict you of something.... wouldn't you?

It's proof BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

By your standards of "proof" no-one could ever be convicted because Ted Bundy could just say "This guy appears from nowhere and I wake up and there's a dead body in front of me". No-one could "PROVE" the other guy didn't exist.

Clearly the evidence Bush lied over WMD is WAY beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Xlea321]
    #2197526 - 12/23/03 10:06 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

You would have to prove he knew.

Many are trying, none have succeeded.

Until such time as that happens he's innocent until proven guilty.

Your Bundy example is as weak as the rest of the pap you push here. Or have you forgotten DNA, fingerprints, confessions and the like?


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Xlea321]
    #2197799 - 12/23/03 12:59 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

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By your standards of "proof" no-one could ever be convicted because Ted Bundy could just say "This guy appears from nowhere and I wake up and there's a dead body in front of me". No-one could "PROVE" the other guy didn't exist.




EXACTLY.

There is no proof that Bundy killed anyone. There is no proof that Nixon had men break into the Watergate hotel. There is no proof that John Wayne Gacy killed anyone.

Unless video tape evidence exists, everyone is innocent of everything.




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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
    #2197807 - 12/23/03 01:04 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

So if the cops pick you up on the street, and with no proof of wrongdoing they toss you in jail, that's OK with you?

Doesn't work for me.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2197890 - 12/23/03 01:45 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Cops use evidence, which is what I do when I condemn George Bush.




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    #2197933 - 12/23/03 02:06 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah right, judging by this thread you use the evidence you like.

There are two stories of Saddams capture. You chose one that made the US look bad despite there being no co-oberation. Despite the obvious questions that pinky asked.

Sure sounds as if you used evidence.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Xlea321]
    #2197948 - 12/23/03 02:15 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

What's an Afghan?


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    #2197960 - 12/23/03 02:19 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Afghan:

Afghani:


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2197990 - 12/23/03 02:35 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I was thinking it was something like a shawl.

Maybe Afghani grannies kill the dogs and skin them and wear their hides around their shoulders.

Also they make doileys from jew skin.


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    #2198090 - 12/23/03 03:24 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2198149 - 12/23/03 04:00 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)



this is also an afghan.....a gay one but it is one.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2198338 - 12/23/03 05:30 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

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I have no way of knowing which version of the story is true.

Funny you'd just assume the story you posted is correct.

Can we say preconceived notion?




Two stories come out, one from every major news source in the world, and one from a "british newspaper". Since none of us know for sure, lets say that they are both equally incredible, why would these people automatically cling to the one that assaults bush? If they truely did think that news sources were bias, wouldn't they just offere it as anohter possibility?

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    #2198404 - 12/23/03 06:10 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

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no one has ever proved bush lied.

he may have been misleading, but i don't think he ever blatantly lied.




Good God, are you fucking serious? I mean, do you HONESTLY believe that?

It is comments from Americans like this that convince me that you are all fucked up in the head beyond all hope.

Keep up the good fight Learyfan.

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    #2198407 - 12/23/03 06:13 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Also, I think that if Kurds had captured SAddam, it would be like the world jewish congress capturing Hitler, and he just might have not been found alive.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Scratcher]
    #2198488 - 12/23/03 07:11 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I will Scratcher. I will.

When i?m not fighting though, i?ll be beating off to your avatar. Jesus tap-dancing Christ!






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    #2198541 - 12/23/03 07:51 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

The idea of you debating while you're beating off frightens me. Stop it.


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    #2198760 - 12/23/03 10:24 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

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Since none of us know for sure, lets say that they are both equally incredible,




Hey, can't argue with that logic. Hell, let's say they're both fantastic as well.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2198764 - 12/23/03 10:29 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I think the moderator's post makes it clear as a bell which one has more credibility.

The other is just asinine.

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    #2198782 - 12/23/03 10:44 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Credibility? I wasn't quoting or talking about credibility.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2198785 - 12/23/03 10:48 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

True. My point was that if we were to believe one of the explanations it should be the one that is more credible.

In my opinion I think we found him. Others can believe as they choose.

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    #2198886 - 12/24/03 12:05 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Hell, let's say they're both fantastic as well.

Pretty neat timing to find him just before xmas tho..

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    #2199003 - 12/24/03 01:09 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

My whole reason for my 2nd post was to poke fun at enimetpyrt's shitty use of the english language. He used the word "incredible" to describe something not credible.

It got lost on most I think, can't blame anybody though. I'm pretty incredible.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2199263 - 12/24/03 06:06 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Umm i thought the kurd story was true.the day saddam was caught i heard that the kurds caught saddam on cnn espanol, and on television espanola. one latin american reputable news channel (cnn), and a spanish news channel.now how come this story came out from reputable non US news channels? hmm you do the math

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    #2199306 - 12/24/03 06:51 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Can't argue with you there trips!  :smile2:

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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: buckwheat]
    #2200001 - 12/24/03 04:31 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

THe first post I read in this thread(to this day) is Baby Hitler asking what an Afghan was. So I can't do the math. Don't much care either.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2200022 - 12/24/03 04:52 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Somebody better do the math `coz I'm not doing it.


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    #2200996 - 12/25/03 02:17 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

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Those Kurds are some amazing dudes, man.

They capture the most wanted man in the world -- the same guy responsible for murdering a whole shitload of Kurds -- and they not only don't torture and kill his ass on the spot; they not only give up the $25 million reward; they dope him up, put him back in his hole with his pistol and his cash, calculate the dosage of the drug so it wears off in time for him to be conscious at the time of the raid but not conscious enough to bug out to some other place before the raid goes down, then trust the 600 troops to have their shit together enough to get there in time and actually find the hidey-hole.

Gee, maybe they are sly enough to get Bush re-elected after all.

pinky




When you have a super intelligent race, such as the aliens, helping out with your conspiracies, it's so much easier. The alien horde captured Saddam, told bush where they would re-materialize him, and he led troops there. It's all quite obvious, and if you don't believe this entirely factless and evidence-bare story, it's obviously because you believe anything that your Nazi News Agency, Fox News, feeds to you! Brainwashed conservative!

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    #2201767 - 12/26/03 06:36 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

You left out "neocon moron".

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