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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21964466 - 07/19/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Its not even the Democrats fault, its those damn foreigners putting ideas in their head about the free health care Shangri La they live in, as if America ever could be made as cost effective as Canada, the UK or Portugal.


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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: Turtletotem]
    #21964495 - 07/19/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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nooneman said:
Hate to burst your bubble guys, but insurance companies have been charging this much to uninsured people for decades. I've known lots of people before Obamacare who had medical stuff done while uninsured. Their bills always looked like this.





6 years ago to get a broken arm set and casted the cost was around $3000, my
daughter broke her wrist, it wasnt a compound fracture so there wasnt any
surgery or any of that shit to deal with and even if there was it still would
have been around $16,000. in fact "decades ago", a person would go to a hospital
with a broken arm and an orthopedic would be called in to set and cast the arm in
a single visit, now it's a trip to the ER, an appointment with an orthopedic and
then a few follow up with the orthopedic before they remove the cast

now tell me, how does all this sit with your false claim that it's always cost
$32,000 to have a broken arm set and casted, I can tell you without a doubt that
the cost of all this shit has gone through the roof due to obamacare

http://health.costhelper.com/broken-arm.html



here's that rattle snake bite a few years ago at $89,000
http://time.com/2897/north-carolina-hospital-bill-snake-bite/

here's the treatment on a coperhead bite a few years before that at $55,000
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-snake-bite-treatment-costs-55-000-article-1.1424383


tell us again how it's always cost $150k to treat snake bites




Well, that's wrong, isn't it? You guys are getting robbed.






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I'm not speaking for others, but I was pretty glad when I heard about Obamacare. Because I thought you guys would be getting the same deal we have.
We have all heard the horror stories of families being destroyed by insane medical bills, so excuse me for wishing an end to that.





you didnt read the bill though did you, I did. I knew we were getting fucked
because it wasnt universal healthcare, I'd said it thousands of times that it
was a tax scheme to tax insurance and fine the uninsured, I told people it was
going to cause more people to become uninsured so now instead of 45 million
uninsured in america we have 70 million that are uninsured and everyone is being
taxed or fined because we cant afford insurance now that obamacare is in place

these are the people you encouraged the US public to trust when you made the
same assumptions based on what they had told you, that it would be universal
healthcare but for some crazy reason, foriegners dont read the bills being
introduced in congress, they dont look into our politicians, they simply weigh
in on our political system as if they have a fucking clue. most dont even know
what's going on in their own country



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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: Turtletotem]
    #21964516 - 07/19/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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As far as I know, Republicans did all they could to fuck shit up.. not that it matters, it's the system itself, not one person or aprty!





what? I guess you are far more clueless than even you believe, the bill passed
without a single republican vote, republicans voted against it, how exactly could
the republicans fuck it up when they werent even involved in the creation of the
bill that went from 600 pages to more than 3000 pages while sitting in committee
in the democrat controlled senate before going to the democrat controlled house
and then to the democrat controlled executive office


please tell us, what did the republicans do to fuck shit up


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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21964571 - 07/19/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The guy is just a puppet, a lightningrod.

Your next president will be much worse, much, much worse. Doesnt matter which party supplies him.

The true powers that be that have had their arms up the asses of your presidents and moving their mouths are going to see to it.

The good news is false. America, Europe, we're going DOWN. You point at Europe, I point at America, but we both will. It will be a disaster. And out of those ashes, after the old system burned down to the ground, something new and better will emerge.


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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: Asante]
    #21964577 - 07/19/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The guy is just a puppet, a lightningrod.

Your next president will be much worse, much, much worse. Doesnt matter which party supplies him.

The true powers that be that have had their arms up the asses of your presidents and moving their mouths are going to see to it.

The good news is false. America, Europe, we're going DOWN. You point at Europe, I point at America, but we both will. It will be a disaster. And out of those ashes, after the old system burned down to the ground, something new and better will emerge.





we have forum 99 for that shit


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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21964589 - 07/19/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You think its a conspiracy theory that the lobby groups OWN American politics? That the big corporations, which by their nature are profit oriented sociopathic constructs don't OWN all politics in America and Europe?

Think again.

The people will get to elect which guy will bring them the bad news.


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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: Asante]
    #21964650 - 07/19/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah we're all fucked.  The game is rigged.


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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: Amanita86]
    #21964690 - 07/19/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You're LESS fucked if you anticipate proactively.

Work towards getting out of debt and having a bit of a wealth reserve, of which a portion in cash in your home in case the system breaks down and you can't withdraw money for a few weeks.

Have at least a months worth of food, drink & whatever it takes to run a household, including camping stove to cook on and toilet paper.

If you use banks at all, only for payments, NEVER for savings, instead invest your savings. If you use them at al, be EXTREMELY strategic with credit cards and try to avoid debt creation in any way.

Particularly in the US, obtain a weapon you can carry concealed and become proficient in its use.

In a friendly non alarmist non nutty way guide your family and friends to do the same so that you build a network, a network you can rely on if you need something and who can rely on you if they need something.

Stuff like that. Stuff that doesnt hurt if you do it, but rather than breed fear, creates security and some independence.


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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: Asante]
    #21964804 - 07/19/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i don't mind obama care, it has allowed my x who was in need of a surgery but would not be approved for insurance due to pre existing conditions to be covered and get the surgery he needed.

yes his premiums are 800$+ a month but that beats the 5 years waiting he did in discomfort previously.

the issue with health care in america is it is for profit, it should be for care and wellness not to turn people into dollars.


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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: Shroomism]
    #21964822 - 07/19/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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FUCK OBAMACARE... COMPLETE FUCKING BULLSHIT




What, are you like new, or something?

Obviously it was a sham and non-affordable.


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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: Asante]
    #21964829 - 07/19/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Asante said:
You're LESS fucked if you anticipate proactively.

Work towards getting out of debt and having a bit of a wealth reserve, of which a portion in cash in your home in case the system breaks down and you can't withdraw money for a few weeks.

Have at least a months worth of food, drink & whatever it takes to run a household, including camping stove to cook on and toilet paper.

If you use banks at all, only for payments, NEVER for savings, instead invest your savings. If you use them at al, be EXTREMELY strategic with credit cards and try to avoid debt creation in any way.

Particularly in the US, obtain a weapon you can carry concealed and become proficient in its use.

In a friendly non alarmist non nutty way guide your family and friends to do the same so that you build a network, a network you can rely on if you need something and who can rely on you if they need something.

Stuff like that. Stuff that doesnt hurt if you do it, but rather than breed fear, creates security and some independence.





This is sound advice, I would advise people take these suggestions.

Plus, get a solar system going, even if it is only enough for basic needs.


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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: Asante]
    #21964852 - 07/19/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Its not even the Democrats fault, its those damn foreigners putting ideas in their head about the free health care Shangri La they live in, as if America ever could be made as cost effective as Canada, the UK or Portugal.



There is no free health care.  Even if you make doctors and nurses slaves you still have to feed them and house them and clothe them.  Maybe not the hot nurses. 

Bureaucracy has made our health system expensive.  In Europe those costs are hidden in government agencies.  If we just paid directly it would be cheaper.  Every doctors office has at least one person dedicated to filing paperwork but at least we don't have to wait several months for surgery.


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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: Asante]
    #21964864 - 07/19/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Asante said:
You think its a conspiracy theory that the lobby groups OWN American politics? That the big corporations, which by their nature are profit oriented sociopathic constructs don't OWN all politics in America and Europe?

Think again.

The people will get to elect which guy will bring them the bad news.





the only lobby groups that 'own' american politics are the ones you oppose hence
the reason the anti-GMO crowd claims Monsanto owns the politicians and the anti
gun bunch says that the NRA owns them and the liberals say it's the Koch
brothers but not a single one of those groups see that the lobby groups they
support dump just as much if not more than the lobby groups they oppose

Warren Buffett and George Soros are the same as the  Koch Brothers, Green Peace

and the Anti GMO Project are the same as Monsanto and Sygenta, for some reason,
the lefties dont want to see that their lobbiests and doners are just as wealthy
and dump just as much into the campaigns and since they all seem to dump money
into both sides with no guarantee of anything, it seems like a piss poor excuse
to claim they're bought and paid for.

it's conspiracy drivel


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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21964870 - 07/19/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Asante said:
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Prisoner#1 said:








The guy is just a puppet, a lightningrod.

Your next president will be much worse, much, much worse. Doesnt matter which party supplies him.

The true powers that be that have had their arms up the asses of your presidents and moving their mouths are going to see to it.

The good news is false. America, Europe, we're going DOWN. You point at Europe, I point at America, but we both will. It will be a disaster. And out of those ashes, after the old system burned down to the ground, something new and better will emerge.





we have forum 99 for that shit





Asante seems to have permanently moved into Area 51


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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21964883 - 07/19/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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TheNatureKid said:
Plus, get a solar system going, even if it is only enough for basic needs.




http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/utilities-sensing-threat-put-squeeze-on-booming-solar-roof-industry/2015/03/07/2d916f88-c1c9-11e4-ad5c-3b8ce89f1b89_story.html
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If demand for residential solar continued to soar, traditional utilities could soon face serious problems, from “declining retail sales” and a “loss of customers” to “potential obsolescence,” according to a presentation prepared for the group. “Industry must prepare an action plan to address the challenges,” it said.

The warning, delivered to a private meeting of the utility industry’s main trade association, became a call to arms for electricity providers in nearly every corner of the nation. Three years later, the industry and its fossil-fuel supporters are waging a determined campaign to stop a home-solar insurgency that is rattling the boardrooms of the country’s government-regulated electric monopolies.




Politicians in bed with the fossil fuel industry make it very hard for green energy to get a foothold in the market. This is what happens when government picks favorites,


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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: koods]
    #21964895 - 07/19/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A problem with solar energy is that if the SHTF  :shitfan:  then your whole neighborhood can see that you got something they want.. solar panels.

Solar panels may make a target of your home if you one of the very few.


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    #21964908 - 07/19/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My republican neighbors have solar panels and an all electric car. He essentially drives for free.


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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: koods]
    #21964932 - 07/19/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They have lots of panels then :laugh:


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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: koods]
    #21964939 - 07/19/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

more people are getting healthcare
more people not paying much
cost going up

i have healthcare
it's a dollar for the co pay
I saw my co pay go from 15bucks, to 60 bucks
and now it's a dollar


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Re: Guy gets bitten by a rattlesnake, US hospital charges him $153,161.25 [Re: ReposadoXochipilli] * 2
    #21964952 - 07/19/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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i don't mind obama care, it has allowed my x who was in need of a surgery but would not be approved for insurance due to pre existing conditions to be covered and get the surgery he needed.





that's one of the many lies you were told, insurance companies did cover pre
exsting conditions under a Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan

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yes his premiums are 800$+ a month but that beats the 5 years waiting he did in discomfort previously.





and because of his $800/mo coverage I am also forced to pay more to aid in
covering him, my insurance for me and 2 kids went from $327/mo through my
employer to more than $600 a month through my employer, something that has
already risen to $750/mo to cover myself and 2 kids under the health care
market place the premiums were over $900/month, I couldnt afford any of
the incrases so I now have no insurance and apparently I dont qualify for
any of the subsidies unless I decide to lose my home. they dont give a fuck
that I have 2 kids and 2 disabled adults living with me that I have to
provide the support for so now I and my 2 kids are uninsured, part of the
20 million newly uninsured that had coverage before obamacare.


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the issue with health care in america is it is for profit, it should be for care and wellness not to turn people into dollars.




do you think that all these foreign systems arent also for profit? are you aware
that there are charity care providers in the US, they range from county health
departments to full fledged hospitals, lucky for us, Obama care and the policies
of the obama administration to turn a blind eye to the influx of illegals is
helping to put them out of business


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