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1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek)
#21960498 - 07/18/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey guys I'm here extracting for the first time ever I'm at step 7 of Thick lights ACRB tek and i ready to decant the naphtha into a clean collection jar but my question what do i do with the bottom material after decanting the naphtha layer?
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Haven't read this tek, is the bottom material the acrb/lye aqueous solution? If so, decant or siphon off the naptha to a freeze precip dish and add more, fresh naptha to the acrb/lye water solution to do another pull.
Edit: I would not evaporate the naptha as this tek states. Instead, I would freeze precip from the very beginning. In my own experience, I have found this method to produce a cleaner end product. Whatever floats your boat though will work
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Thanks brotherman for the quick response so decant then do a freeze precip and repeat it for multiple pulls?
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Yes. It doesn't take long to do pulls. I would save the naptha in an air tight vessel until you finish all the pulls, then combine and freeze precip in a pyrex dish. Or freeze precip now and just repeat for future pulls. It's your choice. I've found that you can usually get 3 good pulls if the levels were perfect. You could go for more but I usually don't
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: natedawgnow]
#21960597 - 07/18/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sometimes if the freeze precipitation doesnt work you have to let the naphtha sit in front of a fan of sorts to let it evaporate a little more off before it can freeze precipitate.
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: BoomerMan420]
#21960637 - 07/18/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you're extraction was crap and you didn't pull very much out and used a lot of naptha, this can be true. Although, I have never personally run into this issue. If you do everything right, you should be able to freeze precip no problem, and if you're worried about it, just use less naptha in your pulls.
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: BoomerMan420]
#21960694 - 07/18/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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BoomerMan420 said: Sometimes if the freeze precipitation doesnt work you have to let the naphtha sit in front of a fan of sorts to let it evaporate a little more off before it can freeze precipitate.
I agree, it's best to evaporate some of the naptha as to leave it overly saturated before freeze precipitation.
Generally with thicklights tek the naptha will be cloudy and overly saturated as is, and will drop crystals to the bottom and sides of the jar. At which point I pour the naptha into another jar to freeze precipitate, or air-evaporate...scraping the crystals out of the original jar and leaving them out to dry, as soon as the don't smell like naptha they are smokeable, but recrystalization is always a better way to go if you have the time and energy...I eventually combine these with the freezer/air-dry crop in the end..
I prefer to just evaporate all my naptha, slow air evaporation gives big crystals...though most people 're-use their naptha so they prefer to freeze precipitate...
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I like to freeze precip because of this reason as well as I actually prefer smaller crystal clusters to large crystals.
I will say that I never use ACRB but my stuff always comes out pretty saturated and have never needed to evap to initiate precipitation. I don't know if this is common with ACRB or not.
I have experimented a lot over the years with MHRB and have found the perfect ratios and am able to tap my solution out in 3 pulls usually I almost never do more than 3.
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: natedawgnow]
#21960901 - 07/18/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Yes. It doesn't take long to do pulls. I would save the naptha in an air tight vessel until you finish all the pulls, then combine and freeze precip in a pyrex dish. Or freeze precip now and just repeat for future pulls. It's your choice. I've found that you can usually get 3 good pulls if the levels were perfect. You could go for more but I usually don't
Yea man the decanting thing took me about 38 mins not too bad but damn it takes some patience and how long do i freeze precipitate for? I'm already seeing crystals forming at the bottom just a few though I'm no rush at all
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Do at a bare minimum of 12 hours in the freezer. I usually do 24. The longer it takes to get to freezing temps, the bigger your crystals will be, fyi.
Also, I use a siphon to get the naptha out. Much faster than using a pipet or decanting. A separatory funnel is the next best thing but it would be an expensive piece of lab ware.
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natedawgnow said: Yes. It doesn't take long to do pulls. I would save the naptha in an air tight vessel until you finish all the pulls, then combine and freeze precip in a pyrex dish. Or freeze precip now and just repeat for future pulls. It's your choice. I've found that you can usually get 3 good pulls if the levels were perfect. You could go for more but I usually don't
Yea man the decanting thing took me about 38 mins not too bad but damn it takes some patience and how long do i freeze precipitate for? I'm already seeing crystals forming at the bottom just a few though I'm no rush at all 
24 hours or more, the longer the better, and the colder the better, DMT is soluble in room temperature and hot naptha but completely insoluble in cold and freezing naptha. it also helps if you don't agitate the crystals once the begin to form, if you do this it will only take longer to complete.
If enough DMT falls to the bottom or sticks to the sides you can even transfer the naptha to a new vessel and collect these crystals ahead of time, I always do.
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Whoa, We posted at the exact same time, I didn't mean to repeat your advice.
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Haha great minds, eh? It happens, as long as it's more good advice being thrown out there, I'm not mad
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: natedawgnow]
#21962690 - 07/18/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are going to want to keep doing pulls on the basic soup until you stop pulling crystal.
I dont pre evaporate before freeze precip using this method. Its a waste of time, I usually see crystals falling out at room temp w this A/B tek I do a few naptha pulls and put them into one jar, then into the freezer. Then Ill do a few more pulls and put them into a second jar, and so on. I usually do like 6 pulls.
Aftr freeze precip, pour off the naptha and dry in front of fan.
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: mushpunx]
#21962746 - 07/18/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I usually tap my solution out in 3. I almost never do more than 3 as I've noticed time and time again I get most if not all out in 3 pulls. Then again, I usually run 4 jugs with 100 gs of mhrb each, at a 1:1:15ml ratio. So I'm pulling smaller amounts total per jug but it all gets combined for the freeze precip. But ya pull till there is nothing left to pull. I have just perfected a method and know there is no point in doing more
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: natedawgnow]
#21963326 - 07/19/15 02:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey I didn't read the tek right and didn't see where it said I needed to put a closed dish in the freezer so I just stuck a big Pyrex dish in there I just covered it now does this degrade quality or could the batches be ruined?
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eh not a big deal. Don't worry about it I've done uncovered batches many times
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: natedawgnow]
#21964009 - 07/19/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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PsychedelicScience said: Hey I didn't read the tek right and didn't see where it said I needed to put a closed dish in the freezer so I just stuck a big Pyrex dish in there I just covered it now does this degrade quality or could the batches be ruined?
It can get ice in there, makes it harder to dry a little
I'm gunna post up my own version of this tek because I dont like the way thick light finishes it out.
I dont pre evaporate or wrap a baking dish with saran wrap or anything. I put my pulls direct into mason jars w lid and then right into the freezer. After freeze precip I pour off naptha, fan dry and scrape it up. Then I do a wash because Ive found this tek sometimes lets a little junk in
But ya next time put the pulls into a jar and cap
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: mushpunx]
#21966176 - 07/19/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I ended up with what seems to be a lot of Dmt goo it was white but while fan drying turned to goo from my first pull. I sampled some and ummm boy I was not ready for that!! Shit lasted a good 10 mins and hours later still feeling it just sort of scared me It feels how mushrooms do but more Alien I'm lost for words really and I barely smoked any at all there's a ton left and it's my first pull what do I do with it put it In a jar?
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I dont know how everyone ends up with goo and not crystals! But hey if it smokes good it smokes good my friend!
Yea you could just try to scrape it up and store in.a jar but I think it would be easier to store if you used it to make enhanced leaf. You will wanna look up a tek if you dont know how but its pretty much just disolcing the DMT into hot naptha, stiring in a benign smoking herb and then letting it dry.
Its easier to hit, smokes like weed
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: mushpunx]
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Yea it was beautiful white crystals all along the bottom i have pictures to prove and i came back it was almost clear liquid barely visible fucking alchemy is crazy shit can just disappear lmao. My 1st experience was earlier today and it was hella intense and one more hit I'm sure would of sent me into an alien operating table and i instantly felt like a serpent, is it normal for the goo to be this strong like i have tripped a hundred times on cactus,mushrooms,led and dxm when i was stupid and the way this thing just brought on visuals and glittering fractals omg so pretty very beautiful.. How long does one wait in between doses I'm feeling adventurous?
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Ive never had goo before but if you are getting hits like that then I have no doubt you did your extraction tip top! Ive heard goo can be quite potent maybe hard to judge a dose by weight tho?
You can take another hit as soon as your all the way down but I think most people wait like an hour
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PsychedelicScience said: I ended up with what seems to be a lot of Dmt goo it was white but while fan drying turned to goo from my first pull. I sampled some and ummm boy I was not ready for that!! Shit lasted a good 10 mins and hours later still feeling it just sort of scared me It feels how mushrooms do but more Alien I'm lost for words really and I barely smoked any at all there's a ton left and it's my first pull what do I do with it put it In a jar?
Hmm.. Goo is generally due to plant lipids or mono-methyl-tryptamine, this is why ACRB requires that extra defat step.
recrystalization can help clean this up...but as you have already discovered, the goo still works fine.
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Make sure it's dry and store it in something glass if it's goo. I mean plastic works, but if it sticks to it your going to wish it was glass to scrape your product back off of it.
I keep my crystals in little "dope baggies" from the smoke-shop once they are fully dry....
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I think it's because you didn't decant enough of the solvent and it got back to room temp which dissolved your solid crystal. I would re dissolve in warm naptha then re freeze precip, then make sure you decant allll of the naptha and put it right in front of a fan to evap the last little bit. I put my finished product in an airtight glass container in my freezer
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: natedawgnow]
#21972754 - 07/20/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: I think it's because you didn't decant enough of the solvent and it got back to room temp which dissolved your solid crystal. I would re dissolve in warm naptha then re freeze precip, then make sure you decant allll of the naptha and put it right in front of a fan to evap the last little bit. I put my finished product in an airtight glass container in my freezer
So your saying i didn't decant enough solvent like i didn't get all the solvent from the extraction jar?
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I dont understand, after you freeze precip you pour off as much naptha as you can or thru coffee filter and fan dry.
I dont think its just naptha in the crystals turning into goo.
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: mushpunx]
#21973829 - 07/21/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've had it happen before. I hastily decanted the naptha, then without letting it drip a bit, put it in front of a fan but not close enough, I use a pretty small desk fan. The residual naptha did not evaporate fast enough and managed to reach a high enough temp to redissolve some of the crystal. It's only happened once and It didn't happen to the whole tray, but a bit of it.
I figured since op was not experienced, it's possible it happened to him but on a grander scale.
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: natedawgnow]
#21977299 - 07/21/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yea I could see how that could happen man, I gotcha
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: natedawgnow]
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natedawgnow said: I've had it happen before. I hastily decanted the naptha, then without letting it drip a bit, put it in front of a fan but not close enough, I use a pretty small desk fan. The residual naptha did not evaporate fast enough and managed to reach a high enough temp to redissolve some of the crystal. It's only happened once and It didn't happen to the whole tray, but a bit of it.
I figured since op was not experienced, it's possible it happened to him but on a grander scale.
Sorry if i sound dumb but what do you mean by without letting it drip?
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Like letting the very last bit of naptha drip out of the tray instead of pooling a little. I just mean that I didn't actually get all the solvent out and it re dissolved a bit of crystal
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: natedawgnow]
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I just dumped into into a jar and then left it tilted while being balanced towards a fan so a it could drop any remainder and it still turned to goo? Rereading the tek it says keep the jar in a heat bath while doing pulls. Does this mean while I'm decanting have the jar warm?
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No I imagine that means have the aqueous/naptha solution in a hot water bath because it helps expedite the separation of the two layers.
I don't work much with ACRB, I prefer MHRB, but I have read that goo yield is common. I would just try to re freeze precip by dissolve that goo in warm naptha and the fat or whatever is in it will fall to the bottom and then siphon off the naptha and put back in the freezer for another go.
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PsychedelicScience said: I just dumped into into a jar and then left it tilted while being balanced towards a fan so a it could drop any remainder and it still turned to goo? Rereading the tek it says keep the jar in a heat bath while doing pulls. Does this mean while I'm decanting have the jar warm?
DMT is soluble in hot naptha and insoluble in cold naptha, so some use hot naptha for their pulls. Naptha is highly combustible, so if your using hot naptha you must be careful.
I'm sure the goo was a result of an insufficient defeat leaving plant lipids, or there may have been a good deal of NMT present.
If the crystals turning to goo was a result of naptha, they would have re-solidified as the naptha evaporated cleanly.
..but then again I've never encountered this problem...
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Try "cybs hybrid ATB salt tek" if "thicklights" isn't producing for you...both TEKS are specific to ACRB, which due to an excess of plant lipids and mono-methyl-tryptamine in the root-bark requires an additional "defat".
When working with MHRB this isn't an issue. I've used "the lazy-mans tek"...well a version of it that I modified with MHRB and yielded beautiful light yellow crystals.
When you do an extremely slow air evaporation for your recrystalization it yields these crystalline structures that always remind me of flowers...
DMT is polymorphic, so pure DMT comes in both translucent and yellow forms...
(I'm sure you guys are nexus members as well, but before a crystal colour debate begins I'd like to refer you to the following link:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=11715
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Haha ya been a long time nexus lurker and account holder. That's a pretty handy thread!
I find that if you extend the amount of time it takes for the naptha to reach freezing temps, (do this by putting it in the freezer for an hour, then take it out for 20 or so minutes, then put it back in the freezer for another hour, and so on until it is at freezing temps then I just leave it in there to precip fully) you can get nice, large lotus crystals.
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: natedawgnow]
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Look, I'm sure you guys follow the TEKs out there just fine. However, you may consider taking a closer look at your bark! IME, your end product simply has higher amounts of NMT. Which if generally a yellow, brown oil. This isn't a bad thing, in fact more people like the full spectrum brown oil/yellow wax whatever you came up with. Of course even if your bark is just really high in NMT, still might not be the only culprit for not achieving pure, white crystal DMT. All materials used in an extract must be thoroughly examined to determine any contaminants that may be leeching unwanted plastics and other chemicals. Also the chemicals you obtained to execute the process may also be inferior To the standards of even amauterish chemistry... being not regeant grade. In closing, to obtain high yields pure DMT: Find legit vendor Procure legit glassware (don't use plastic) Aquire top grade chems Follow my TEK below link in my Sig.
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: beta_knight]
#21983479 - 07/23/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I do more than follow TEKS and I'm schooled in chemistry, but this is a person on his first run asking for advice, why spring some personally modified work-up on them? It's best to learn the basics and then adjust your technique based on your preferences and needs.
Some people say a small amount of plant lipids or NMT (which also may be active but at 1/4th of the potency of DMT) aide in the vaporization, protecting the molecule from heat degradation and allowing a more smooth and thorough vaporazation of the compound, and allowing more active compound to reach the system.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0026265X13000544
The above link describes DMT polymorphism, but is fairly old, I'm looking for more currant research to post, which exists, I'm just not sure if I can locate it online... Yellow colour can be a number of things:
- Pure DMT itself has been shown to be polymorphic , so yellow may just be DMT itself. But it can also be other things: -Oily non-volatile impure solvent remains (bad to smoke) -Plant oils/fatty acids or other natural impurities (more likely ok to smoke, and can even make for a more efficient vaporization as it protects spice from the lighter's heat, though might taste a bit harsher) -DMT N-oxide mixed in any proportions to DMT (ok to smoke, also psychoactive, some people even preffer it to normal dmt, others dont like it so much but it definitely works and is not dangerous) - NMT (also psychoactive, though less potent than dmt, about a fourth of the potency). -ENDLESSNESS; the nexus
I was also asked the question, so why does my DMT become clear from yellow after purification ? And my answer is that you are converting from the yellow polymoroh to the clear polymorph in the process, as well as removing any contaminants.
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: natedawgnow]
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natedawgnow said: Haha ya been a long time nexus lurker and account holder. That's a pretty handy thread!
I find that if you extend the amount of time it takes for the naptha to reach freezing temps, (do this by putting it in the freezer for an hour, then take it out for 20 or so minutes, then put it back in the freezer for another hour, and so on until it is at freezing temps then I just leave it in there to precip fully) you can get nice, large lotus crystals.
I'm not on the nexus very much these days, I mean I read a good deal, but haven't posted for quite sometime, I love that place though.
I Have heard something similar to this (freezing technique), but haven't put it into practice, I'm glad you know what I'm talking about though when it comes to the end result, it's rare to get those beautiful giant geometric flower like crystalline structures, it's almost a shame to have to dismantle and vaporize them...
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Hey guys doing another extraction can anyone tell me why this Jar looks like this after adding Lye to the final boils?
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PsychedelicScience said: Hey guys doing another extraction can anyone tell me why this Jar looks like this after adding Lye to the final boils? 
In Thick Lights Tek you are supposed to strain the powder out. Maybe you didnt strain it as well as you should have, (I use Tshirt cloth). Its a huge pain and its messy
But yea thats my guess. The rest of it turned black and that lookz right. Just be really careful not to get an emulsion when mixing for your pulls.
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: mushpunx]
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mushpunx said:
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PsychedelicScience said: Hey guys doing another extraction can anyone tell me why this Jar looks like this after adding Lye to the final boils? 
In Thick Lights Tek you are supposed to strain the powder out. Maybe you didnt strain it as well as you should have, (I use Tshirt cloth). Its a huge pain and its messy
But yea thats my guess. The rest of it turned black and that lookz right. Just be really careful not to get an emulsion when mixing for your pulls.
Thanks mate yea learning every day yea forgot to filter the final boils but it eventually turned black
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Next time filter each time your pour the boil off into the reducing pot. Each time you put the bark back in the first pot and add fresh water and vinegar Then filter tje liquid from the reducing pot once more before you basify
But I think youll be ok Ive been thibking aboit not straining to see if it change anything cause straining sucks. Should work fine
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