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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: PsychedelicScience]
    #21967815 - 07/19/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I dont know how everyone ends up with goo and not crystals! But hey if it smokes good it smokes good my friend!

Yea you could just try to scrape it up and store in.a jar but I think it would be easier to store if you used it to make enhanced leaf. You will wanna look up a tek if you dont know how but its pretty much just disolcing the DMT into hot naptha, stiring in a benign smoking herb and then letting it dry. 

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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: mushpunx]
    #21967979 - 07/19/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yea it was beautiful white crystals all along the bottom i have pictures to prove and i came back it was almost clear liquid barely visible fucking alchemy is crazy shit can just disappear lmao.
My 1st experience was earlier today and it was hella intense and one more hit I'm sure would of sent me into an alien operating table and i instantly felt like a serpent, is it normal for the goo to be this strong like i have tripped a hundred times on cactus,mushrooms,led and dxm when i was stupid and the way this thing just brought on visuals and glittering fractals omg so pretty very beautiful.. How long does one wait in between doses I'm feeling adventurous?


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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: PsychedelicScience]
    #21968817 - 07/20/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ive never had goo before but if you are getting hits like that then I have no doubt you did your extraction tip top!
Ive heard goo can be quite potent maybe hard to judge a dose by weight tho?

You can take another hit as soon as your all the way down but I think most people wait like an hour


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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: PsychedelicScience]
    #21969338 - 07/20/15 05:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I ended up with what seems to be a lot of Dmt goo it was white but while fan drying turned to goo from my first pull. I sampled some and ummm boy I was not ready for that!! Shit lasted a good 10 mins and hours later still feeling it just sort of scared me It feels how mushrooms do but more Alien I'm lost for words really and I barely smoked any at all there's a ton left and it's my first pull what do I do with it put it In a jar?




Hmm..
Goo is generally due to plant lipids or mono-methyl-tryptamine, this is why ACRB requires that extra defat step.

recrystalization can help clean this up...but as you have already discovered, the goo still works fine.

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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21969346 - 07/20/15 05:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Make sure it's dry and store it in something glass if it's goo. I mean plastic works, but if it sticks to it your going to wish it was glass to scrape your product back off of it.

I keep my crystals in little "dope baggies" from the smoke-shop once they are fully dry....

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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: PsychedelicScience]
    #21970594 - 07/20/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think it's because you didn't decant enough of the solvent and it got back to room temp which dissolved your solid crystal.
I would re dissolve in warm naptha then re freeze precip, then make sure you decant allll of the naptha and put it right in front of a fan
to evap the last little bit.
I put my finished product in an airtight glass container in my freezer


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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21972754 - 07/20/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think it's because you didn't decant enough of the solvent and it got back to room temp which dissolved your solid crystal.
I would re dissolve in warm naptha then re freeze precip, then make sure you decant allll of the naptha and put it right in front of a fan
to evap the last little bit.
I put my finished product in an airtight glass container in my freezer




So your saying i didn't decant enough solvent like i didn't get all the solvent from the extraction jar?


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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: PsychedelicScience]
    #21973249 - 07/20/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I dont understand, after you freeze precip you pour off as much naptha as you can or thru coffee filter and fan dry.

I dont think its just naptha in the crystals turning into goo.


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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: mushpunx]
    #21973829 - 07/21/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've had it happen before. I hastily decanted the naptha, then without letting it drip a bit, put it in front of a fan but not close enough, I use a pretty small desk fan.
The residual naptha did not evaporate fast enough and managed to reach
a high enough temp to redissolve some of the crystal. It's only happened
once and It didn't happen to the whole tray, but a bit of it.

I figured since op was not experienced, it's possible it happened to him
but on a grander scale.


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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21977299 - 07/21/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yea I could see how that could happen man, I gotcha


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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21977439 - 07/21/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
I've had it happen before. I hastily decanted the naptha, then without letting it drip a bit, put it in front of a fan but not close enough, I use a pretty small desk fan.
The residual naptha did not evaporate fast enough and managed to reach
a high enough temp to redissolve some of the crystal. It's only happened
once and It didn't happen to the whole tray, but a bit of it.

I figured since op was not experienced, it's possible it happened to him
but on a grander scale.




Sorry if i sound dumb but what do you mean by without letting it drip?


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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: PsychedelicScience]
    #21978001 - 07/21/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Like letting the very last bit of naptha drip out of the tray instead
of pooling a little. I just mean that I didn't actually get all the
solvent out and it re dissolved a bit of crystal


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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21978620 - 07/22/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I just dumped into into a jar and then left it tilted while being balanced towards a fan so a it could drop any remainder and it still turned to goo?
Rereading the tek it says keep the jar in a heat bath while doing pulls. Does this mean while I'm decanting have the jar warm?


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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: PsychedelicScience]
    #21978660 - 07/22/15 01:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No I imagine that means have the aqueous/naptha solution in a
hot water bath because it helps expedite the separation of the two layers.

I don't work much with ACRB, I prefer MHRB, but I have read that goo
yield is common.
I would just try to re freeze precip by
dissolve that goo in warm naptha and the fat or whatever is in it
will fall to the bottom and then siphon off the naptha and put back
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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: PsychedelicScience]
    #21978982 - 07/22/15 05:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I just dumped into into a jar and then left it tilted while being balanced towards a fan so a it could drop any remainder and it still turned to goo?
Rereading the tek it says keep the jar in a heat bath while doing pulls. Does this mean while I'm decanting have the jar warm?




DMT is soluble in hot naptha and insoluble in cold naptha, so some use hot naptha for their pulls. Naptha is highly combustible, so if your using hot naptha you must be careful.

I'm sure the goo was a result of an insufficient defeat leaving plant lipids, or there may have been a good deal of NMT present.

If the crystals turning to goo was a result of naptha, they would have re-solidified as the naptha evaporated cleanly.

..but then again I've never encountered this problem...

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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum] * 1
    #21978999 - 07/22/15 05:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Try "cybs hybrid ATB salt tek" if "thicklights" isn't producing for you...both TEKS are specific to ACRB, which due to an excess of plant lipids and mono-methyl-tryptamine in the root-bark requires an additional "defat".

When working with MHRB this isn't an issue.
I've used "the lazy-mans tek"...well a version of it that I modified with MHRB and yielded beautiful light yellow crystals.

When you do an extremely slow air evaporation for your recrystalization  it yields these crystalline structures that always remind me of flowers...

DMT is polymorphic, so pure DMT comes in both translucent and yellow forms...

(I'm sure you guys are nexus members as well, but before a crystal colour debate begins I'd like to refer you to the following link:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=11715

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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum] * 1
    #21980009 - 07/22/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Haha ya been a long time nexus lurker and account holder.
That's a pretty handy thread!

I find that if you extend the amount of time it takes for the naptha
to reach freezing temps, (do this by putting it in the freezer for
an hour, then take it out for 20 or so minutes, then put it back in
the freezer for another hour, and so on until it is at freezing temps
then I just leave it in there to precip fully) you can get nice, large
lotus crystals.


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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21982551 - 07/22/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Look, I'm sure you guys follow the TEKs out there just fine.
However, you may consider taking a closer look at your bark!
IME, your end product simply has higher amounts of NMT. Which if generally a yellow, brown oil. This isn't a bad thing, in fact more people like the full spectrum brown oil/yellow wax whatever you came up with.
Of course even if your bark is just really high in NMT, still might not be the only culprit for not achieving pure, white crystal DMT.
All materials used in an extract must be thoroughly examined to determine any contaminants that may be leeching unwanted plastics and other chemicals.
Also the chemicals you obtained to execute the process may also be inferior  To the standards of even amauterish chemistry... being not regeant grade.
In closing, to obtain high yields pure DMT:
Find legit vendor
Procure legit glassware (don't use plastic)
Aquire top grade chems
Follow my TEK below link in my Sig.  :wink:


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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: beta_knight]
    #21983479 - 07/23/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I do more than follow TEKS and I'm schooled in chemistry, but this is a person on his first run asking for advice, why spring some personally modified work-up on them? It's best to learn the basics and then adjust your technique based on your preferences and needs.

Some people say a small amount of plant lipids or NMT (which also may be active but at 1/4th of the potency of DMT) aide in the vaporization, protecting the molecule from heat degradation and allowing a more smooth and thorough vaporazation of the compound, and allowing more active compound to reach the system.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0026265X13000544

The above link describes DMT polymorphism, but is fairly old, I'm looking for more currant research to post, which exists, I'm just not sure if I can locate it online...

Yellow colour can be a number of things:

- Pure DMT itself has been shown to be polymorphic , so yellow may just be DMT itself. But it can also be other things:
-Oily non-volatile impure solvent remains (bad to smoke)
-Plant oils/fatty acids or other natural impurities (more likely ok to smoke, and can even make for a more efficient vaporization as it protects spice from the lighter's heat, though might taste a bit harsher)
-DMT N-oxide mixed in any proportions to DMT (ok to smoke, also psychoactive, some people even preffer it to normal dmt, others dont like it so much but it definitely works and is not dangerous)
- NMT (also psychoactive, though less potent than dmt, about a fourth of the potency).
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I was also asked the question, so why does my DMT become clear from yellow after purification ? And my answer is that you are converting from the yellow polymoroh to the clear polymorph in the process, as well as removing any contaminants.


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Re: 1st DMT extraction need some help(Thick lights tek) [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21983499 - 07/23/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Haha ya been a long time nexus lurker and account holder.
That's a pretty handy thread!

I find that if you extend the amount of time it takes for the naptha
to reach freezing temps, (do this by putting it in the freezer for
an hour, then take it out for 20 or so minutes, then put it back in
the freezer for another hour, and so on until it is at freezing temps
then I just leave it in there to precip fully) you can get nice, large
lotus crystals.




I'm not on the nexus very much these days, I mean I read a good deal, but haven't posted for quite sometime, I love that place though. 

I Have heard something similar to this (freezing technique), but haven't put it into practice, I'm glad you know what I'm talking about though when it comes to the end result, it's rare to get those beautiful giant geometric flower like crystalline structures, it's almost a shame to have to dismantle and vaporize them...

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