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moehd
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crossing the A+
#21960061 - 07/18/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i recently ordered a A+ syringe thinking it was a albino strain it turned out to not be a true albino. then after reading reviews about it. it seems to be weak and not that good of a fruitier. so i was thinking of knocking up the same pf jar with the A+ and a different cube i guess my question is will they reject each other or combine into a semi different species
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Re: crossing the A+ [Re: moehd]
#21960065 - 07/18/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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A+ = not albino, AA+ = albino.
I wouldn't trust reviews as there are hundreds of thousands of sets of genetics inside of your syringe
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Re: crossing the A+ [Re: newrook]
#21960081 - 07/18/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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so what should i do just knock them up and hope for the best
but i just wanna know if its possible because i am interested in mycology
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Re: crossing the A+ [Re: newrook]
#21960094 - 07/18/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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newrook said: A+ = not albino, AA+ = not albino.
fixed that for ya.
cubensis spores mate, yes. mixing them together is a good way to make them mate.
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Re: crossing the A+ [Re: moehd]
#21960099 - 07/18/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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There's about a 1 in 4 chance two strains will cross in an ideal envirnoment, (agar petri dish) so if you were to innoc different holes with different strains in a pf jar there's a low chance of a cross occuring. Even if a cross were to occur, the mycelium would have to colonize a good bit in each section of the jar for the mycelium to even meet, which would mean those sections would fruit only one strain or the other.
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So the spores should be together in the same syringe?
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psilocyclops said: There's about a 1 in 4 chance two strains will cross in an ideal envirnoment, (agar petri dish)
how'd you figure? got any reading material on that?
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psilocyclops said: There's about a 1 in 4 chance two strains will cross in an ideal envirnoment, (agar petri dish) so if you were to innoc different holes with different strains in a pf jar there's a low chance of a cross occuring. Even if a cross were to occur, the mycelium would have to colonize a good bit in each section of the jar for the mycelium to even meet, which would mean those sections would fruit only one strain or the other.
It's 1 in 4 for any two spores including spores in the same variety. You have a very high chance actually since you have 1000s of spores. Any two spores of cubes from any variety have a 25% chance.
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So two spores from diffrent cube species would also have a 1/4 chance of survival
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Re: crossing the A+ [Re: moehd]
#21961689 - 07/18/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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A+ is just a regular domesticated cubensis variety.
AA+ lacks most pigment but is not albino, despite the fact that it's name is Albino A+. It was probably named this for marketing, or perhaps just cause alliteration is dope.
A+ should be a fairly typical and well domesticated cubensis variety, and should be as good a choice as any to get consistent results from multispore.
By crossing the spores of two cube varieties, you would most likely be broadening the genetics. How these more broad genetics will interact is hard to say. If inbreeding has weakened both varieties, it could be beneficial. Perhaps the genetics each variety has been selected for don't interact well, you might get something diverse and shitty.
I tried crossing two varieties once. IMO the results were inferior colonization speed to results from either variety individually, and one variety appeared to be more dominant at the end.
Just use your A+ and don't screw around with it IMO. You won't know what you like until your boots hit the ground, so to speak. Something that sounds as banal as A+ could blow your mind, and something that sounds as cool as Voodoo Caps could shit the bed.
Of the two varieties I have tried, the results were exactly the opposite of what all my research indicated. The "contam resistant, high potency" variety turned out to be extremely prone to contams and weaksauce, and the "novelty strain, only notable for its appearance" turned out to be hyper-aggressive and strong.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Re: crossing the A+ [Re: moehd]
#21961703 - 07/18/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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moehd said: So two spores from diffrent cube species would also have a 1/4 chance of survival
cube is a species. different varieties yes 1/4 chance.
any two spores from any variety of cubes have a 1/4 chance and have a 1/4 chance within the variety too. you can mix all the varieties together and the spores will just do what they do
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To clarify, mix them into the same syringe. At least that's what I'd do.
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i see well following that logic even if your using the same strain different inoculation points have different genes so i mixing the spore and knocking up the jar would just be a shot in the dark
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Re: crossing the A+ [Re: moehd]
#21961781 - 07/18/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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any time you use spores it's a shot in the dark,
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Re: crossing the A+ [Re: moehd]
#21961793 - 07/18/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's what multispore is. Domesticated strains have likely been printed, isolated, printed, isolated, and perhaps subject to some other weird fungal genetics manipulation beyond my biology knowledge.
The result is a more narrow spectrum of genetics statistically more likely to thrive on cultivation mediums and produce ideal fruits.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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moehd
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i think ill just make double the jars and stack them ontop of eachother fuck it
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spacechildo said:
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newrook said: A+ = not albino, AA+ = not albino.
fixed that for ya.
cubensis spores mate, yes. mixing them together is a good way to make them mate.
if you elaborated what you meant in your post it would make you seem like less of a dick, not that you care
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Re: crossing the A+ [Re: newrook]
#21962148 - 07/18/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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AA+ is leuistic. not albino
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well I guess that they should call it albinoid a+ then
learned something new today, thanks
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Re: crossing the A+ [Re: newrook]
#21962297 - 07/18/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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newrook said: well I guess that they should call it albinoid a+ then
learned something new today, thanks
well the sponsors that supply it say that its white in caps to highlight that its bullshit
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Re: crossing the A+ [Re: moehd]
#21962326 - 07/18/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What?
A Strain is a variety. Albino A+, aka AA+, is a mutation of that variety that lacks most pigmentation, and was isolated into its own variety for that characteristic. It was then given the technically incorrect but vaguely representative name Albino A+.
It sounds like you just got regular A strain, which is a pigmented and normal cubensis. It seems that not many vendors sell regular A strain.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
Edited by Machiavelliavore (07/18/15 08:45 PM)
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Machiavelliavore said: What?
A Strain is a variety. Albino A , aka AA , is a mutation of that variety that lacks most pigmentation, and was isolated into its own variety for that characteristic. It was then given the technically incorrect but vaguely representative name Albino A .
It sounds like you just got regular A strain, which is a pigmented and normal cubensis. It seems that not many vendors sell regular A strain.
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