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cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake?
    #21959850 - 07/18/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)


Wtf are those black spots? I have a few very small ones in my other jars too.
Is what I'm growing here cobweb with mold? :|
Or is it normal that the white mycelium has spread so much over 4 days (after 2 days there was no sign of growth, so practically in 2 days), and the black spots are actually spores? I did shake the syringe well, and I remember there being quite a lot of floating spores in the syringe.


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: swatsqad]
    #21961650 - 07/18/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like verm. Cakes do that. So in other words you're good :thumbup:


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: Mad Season]
    #21962855 - 07/18/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looks awfully dark for verm. Were your syringes very thick with spores?


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21963102 - 07/19/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It is a clump of spores that shot out at once.

The rest of the grown looks very very healthy.


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: swatsqad]
    #21963115 - 07/19/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well regardless what It is, even though I still maintain that since verm has aluminum in it, it'll make black spots as the mycelium colonizes through it... it seems we all agree it doesn't look like much to worry about. It doesn't look like a mold and the mycelium around it is healthy as balls as said by mbp


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: Mad Season]
    #21963340 - 07/19/15 02:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you for the positive thought sent my way!
This is my first grow, and I guess the general consensus is that the black spots are spores and the mycelium is just healthy and spreading rapidly, although how can you be sure it's not cobweb? 2 days ago I saw absolutely no growth at all, and now bam, look at that picture.. looks almost surreal. I am keeping it quite warm though.
The spore syringe I bought had tons of flying spore clumps that were the same color as the black spot in the pic, and it even had spore clumps as big as the black spot, I did however shake it vigorously before use, and I doubt that they would have spat out in such a pattern. anyway, if the black spots grows in size, I should toss em, right?


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: swatsqad]
    #21963835 - 07/19/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Cobweb is a dark af gray. Mycelium is white. Cobweb would take 6-12 hours to have that whole jar colonized. 2 days and you got that means you have an aggressive colonizer:)


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: Mad Season] * 1
    #21965742 - 07/19/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Cobweb is a dark af gray. Mycelium is white. Cobweb would take 6-12 hours to have that whole jar colonized. 2 days and you got that means you have an aggressive colonizer:)




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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: Mad Season]
    #21965830 - 07/19/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think I have some good news! Here is a picture taken 24 hours later of the same spot.

first pic                                              | 24hours later

The mycelium looks to be aggressively spreading, and the black spots remained the same! I guess I would be able to dunk the cakes in about 10 days from now.


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: swatsqad]
    #21965836 - 07/19/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Spores :smile:


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21965885 - 07/19/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lets hope this aggressive little buddy kills of any infections it may encounter :amanita2:!

:dawerp: <- on a side note, I always see these when tripping, like a stuck melody in my head.


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: swatsqad]
    #21966088 - 07/19/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Lets hope this aggressive little buddy kills of any infections it may encounter :amanita2:!

:dawerp: <- on a side note, I always see these when tripping, like a stuck melody in my head.




That's a bizarre thing to see while tripping...


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21966110 - 07/19/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Lets hope this aggressive little buddy kills of any infections it may encounter :amanita2:!

:dawerp: <- on a side note, I always see these when tripping, like a stuck melody in my head.




That's a bizarre thing to see while tripping...




I know, and it happens every time I trip. I see faces similar to that one in almost everything, leaves, sky, counterstrike... It's not that persistent, but it always intermittenly shows up and is getting annoying.


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: swatsqad]
    #21966296 - 07/19/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe you're just a really happy guy.


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21969128 - 07/20/15 04:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

haha! perhaps :smile:
we'll know when I'll post a new pic of this grow tomorrow or a few days afterwards.


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: swatsqad]
    #21969660 - 07/20/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Umm I think I might have a problem here :/


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: swatsqad]
    #21969666 - 07/20/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well getting crazy happy faces could be seen as a problem. However if you're talking about the jars, they look healthy


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: swatsqad]
    #21969667 - 07/20/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

stop looking at it.  Just put it somewhere for 10 days then look at it.


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21970286 - 07/20/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

probably true. I'll just smoke a go bud and wait at least a week.

EDIT: "smoke a go bud". I... don't even.  :stoned2:


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: swatsqad]
    #21973351 - 07/20/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Umm I think I might have a problem here :/





I don't see an issue.

When I was new I looked at my jars every day... many times a day.

Just relax. The act of looking at them isn't going to alter the outcome.

Start a new project or two, in case this doesn't pan out. Some of the best advice anyone will ever give you: have a few projects going at all times.


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21973502 - 07/20/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Umm I think I might have a problem here :/





I don't see an issue.

When I was new I looked at my jars every day... many times a day.

Just relax. The act of looking at them isn't going to alter the outcome.

Start a new project or two, in case this doesn't pan out. Some of the best advice anyone will ever give you: have a few projects going at all times.





He is right.. Start more projects so you can have many things to stare at and worry about instead of 1 :smile:


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21973728 - 07/20/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Mike knows what's up. :lol:

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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21974031 - 07/21/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sadly I am leaving my country permanently on August 15, and I do not have any time to start other projects. My goal is to get some spore prints from this amazing aggressive genotype, and perhaps eat a few underaged shrooms that have been fruiting for a few days. Ideally I'd want them close to being done on August 8th. I have to nail my fruiting tek.
One user told me not to dunk them, since they might still not be fully consolidated, and it won't really effect growth speed that much, only delay it by a day.


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: swatsqad]
    #21974113 - 07/21/15 03:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You're going to be cutting it very, very close. I don't think you'll have fruits, never mind mature fruits that you can print, by the 8th of Aug.

Whichever country you find yourself in, I can send you a few spore prints to help you out.


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21974126 - 07/21/15 03:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You're going to be cutting it very, very close. I don't think you'll have fruits, never mind mature fruits that you can print, by the 8th of Aug.

Whichever country you find yourself in, I can send you a few spore prints to help you out.




That is very kind of you! I think I will be travelling by bus through Europe to the UK, so I might just bring my spore syringe with me. Well in that case anytime between August 8 to 14 would be viable. Well that should become clear by the end of this week. I have a plan on how to initiate pinning faster,
since I live in a house, our first floor is technically a basement, that place would be about 15 degrees celsius cooler, and with substantial auxiliary humidity, there is a window for indirect sunlight too. I'd be venting the CO2 about 8 times a day every day. I think that might do it.
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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: swatsqad]
    #21975752 - 07/21/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How are you building your fruiting chamber?


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21978653 - 07/22/15 01:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am still working on it.
placement wise I think the cubensis don't need any temperature shock to initiate pinning, so I'll probably leave them in my room (not the cleanest place ofc.) so I can vent the chamber every hour or so. I'll also be using about 1 liter of perlite for just my 3 jars, so that I don't deprive them of humidity while venting so much.
I will post pictures of my setup, and any tips before I start making it are more than welcome. I do not plan to buy a lot of supplies for this however, since I'll be discarding them anyway.


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: swatsqad]
    #21978667 - 07/22/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542

Read this thoroughly. It will tell you why perlite is only used on a sgfc, and is useless unless used like how it is done in a sgfc.

All you need is a screw driver and a blow torch if you don't have a 1/4" drill bit and drill


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: Mad Season]
    #21978682 - 07/22/15 01:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Would you at this point recommend I setup a shotgun chamber? I do have a drill with any kind of bit imaginable and I'm able to reach the chamber at least every 2 hours at daytime since I work from home.


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    #21978726 - 07/22/15 02:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Get er ready! :smile: why not? When it's ready show a pic of it with no cakes in it yet. We'll tell you if you need to do anything more.


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: Mad Season]
    #21978773 - 07/22/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I suggest a properly constructed SGFC. If you choose to skimp on certain aspects of it because you'd like to buy minimal supplies, it may very well effect the outcome.


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    #21980441 - 07/22/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

With much respect, I will try to take your suggestions as seriously as possible.
What aspects of the SGFC would one skimp on though? I'm only using 3 cakes, so I don't really need a huge container. I can drill the fuck out of it too. I'm gonna be using 1 liter of perlite, that should be plenty for 3 half pint cakes.
Well yeah I'll just build something and repost here once I have some pic's.
At the moment I'm still busy finishing a website for my business :smile: soo.. maybe on friday.

EDIT: I am planning on using a saucer with water to put the cakes in, once they start pinning. (because I will be skipping the dunk).

EDIT2: Just asked my friend to snap a pic of a jar, looks like rhizomorphic growth is taking place, not sure what to think of it since I've read mixed opinions.




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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: swatsqad]
    #21980447 - 07/22/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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With much respect, I will try to take your suggestions as seriously as possible.
What aspects of the SGFC would one skimp on though? I'm only using 3 cakes, so I don't really need a huge container. I can drill the fuck out of it too. I'm gonna be using 1 liter of perlite, that should be plenty for 3 half pint cakes.
Well yeah I'll just build something and repost here once I have some pic's.
At the moment I'm still busy finishing a website for my business :smile: soo.. maybe on friday.

EDIT: I am planning on using a saucer with water to put the cakes in, once they start pinning. (because I will be skipping the dunk).





Yea.. You are trying to just wing this and we have TEK's for a reason

Don't leave your cakes in standing water

Dunk and roll them in verm

Build a PROPER Fruiting chamber.  If you cant afford a 66qt mono tub, you can build nearly any plastic box into a tub.  Just post a picture of it on here and we will help you modify it.  I highly suggest you stay away from what ever you are planning.

Also, who ever you are getting the other opinions from, ignore them and listen to the people in this thread.


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    #21980559 - 07/22/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well after further research into older thread I think its conclusive that this kind of rhizomorphic growth is actually good for the cubes, and is probably the best case of growing I could have expected. Should be 100% in 24 more hours.
So I'll probably try and not fuck it up by abstaining from the TEK everyone is telling me to do. :smile:


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: swatsqad]
    #21980592 - 07/22/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well after further research into older thread I think its conclusive that this kind of rhizomorphic growth is actually good for the cubes, and is probably the best case of growing I could have expected. Should be 100% in 24 more hours.
So I'll probably try and not fuck it up by abstaining from the TEK everyone is telling me to do. :smile:




Rhizomorphic growth vs tomentose has no baring on anything at this point. 

You usually get rhizomorphic growth when the mycelium is searching for food.  So, the less nutrients where the mycelium is, the more rhizomorphic growth.. Sometimes not at all.


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21980865 - 07/22/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm gonna be using 1 liter of perlite, that should be plenty for 3 half pint cakes.




How do you know it will be plenty? You've never grown before.

You need 4-5 inches of perlite at the bottom of your sgfc in order to maintain adequate humidity


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21983574 - 07/23/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well it looks like it took 8 days for the jars to visually fully colonize... I'm gonna take them home tonight and start making the SGFC, I think some pins are starting to develop O.o Obviously I won't be dunking them for another few days... unless.. I guess I'll see some aggressive pinning in all of my jars


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    #21983875 - 07/23/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well it looks like it took 8 days for the jars to visually fully colonize... I'm gonna take them home tonight and start making the SGFC, I think some pins are starting to develop O.o Obviously I won't be dunking them for another few days... unless.. I guess I'll see some aggressive pinning in all of my jars




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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21983957 - 07/23/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'll take a closer look and post some pics


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: swatsqad]
    #21985203 - 07/23/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=21985567&page=0&vc=#21985567
I'm moving this conversation over to that thread, since I guess it would be more relevant, as this is not a contamination issue any more.


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Re: cobweb/black mold deluxe, or a healthy growing cake? [Re: swatsqad]
    #21998726 - 07/26/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Gonna upload pics of the SGFC in that thread, someone should take a look, as I think that my build might not be that ideal : P


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