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Re: 2nd time prepping rye jars... [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21963983 - 07/19/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Also, last time i went to Walmart to get some WBS, I noticed that they changed the look of the economy mix bag. It's called Wild bird feed instead of wild bird seed, and there's loads of cracked corn in it. Idk, it's literally unusable.



If you can find these bags at walmart they should have minimal cracked corn and the mix is nearly identical to the economy mix you are used to:


I just killed off a few bags of this stuff.


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Re: 2nd time prepping rye jars... [Re: Juiceh]
    #21964678 - 07/19/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Also, last time i went to Walmart to get some WBS, I noticed that they changed the look of the economy mix bag. It's called Wild bird feed instead of wild bird seed, and there's loads of cracked corn in it. Idk, it's literally unusable.



If you can find these bags at walmart they should have minimal cracked corn and the mix is nearly identical to the economy mix you are used to:


I just killed off a few bags of this stuff.



Cool I'll definitely look for it when i go out to Walmart. It sucks buying a bag of bird seed with cracked corn. It's awkward trying to return it. I guess I just have to walk up to the customer service desk with the 40lb bag and say "the birds don't like this mix" and get my 8$ back :lmafo:


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Re: 2nd time prepping rye jars... [Re: blackout]
    #21968750 - 07/20/15 01:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you weigh your grains before and after soaking or cooking you can easily monitor the moisture levels.




How would you go about doing this?


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Re: 2nd time prepping rye jars... [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21968870 - 07/20/15 01:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It's awkward trying to return it. I guess I just have to walk up to the customer service desk with the 40lb bag and say "the birds don't like this mix" and get my 8$ back :lmafo:



Just tell them your wife/girlfriend already bought some.  Or just shrug and say you don't want it.  Trust me, they do not give a shit.

Gvt mileage reimbursement is $0.55 per mile.  So unless you're driving less than a total of 15 miles round trip I'd just keep it.  And this isn't accounting for your valuable time.

Less time spent at WallyWorld = better.


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Re: 2nd time prepping rye jars... [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21970526 - 07/20/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Cracked corn isn't an end all. It still works just a slightly higher contam risk.


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Re: Are these rye grains too dry??? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21970654 - 07/20/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So I recently made some rye jars. I soaked for 24 hours, then rinsed and drained. I had to soak an additional 12 hours because I couldn't use the PC at that time. After that, I rinsed and drained again and put them in a pot to simmer for about 20 min. I strained and did not do a rinse of the hot grains(my understanding is that adding cold water to the grains at this point will only extend the drying process). So, I let them sit out and dry up a bit on a window screen. Here's what they looked like just before loading them up:

I PC'd them at 15 psi for 90 minutes. At the end of the cycle, I moved the PC to another rack on the stove to let it cool down. After about three hours, I took my rye jars out and gave them a good shake to redistribute the moisture. After sitting on my shelf for a day, here's how they're looking:  

I'm not very experienced with rye (obviously), so I'm not sure if the grains have proper moisture content or not. Either way, I will be testing out my LI syringe on them soon (made from a colonized brf paste jar). :smile:






Your rye berries look exactly like the last batch I prepared. My berries colonized beautifully.


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Re: Are these rye grains too dry??? [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21970761 - 07/20/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Mine looked similar to yours, and ive been having a lot of people tell me they look like shit.

Right after PCing:

6 days later:

What you think?

I haven't had any signs of colonization yet though :sad:


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Re: Are these rye grains too dry??? [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21970804 - 07/20/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Psilosoulful said:
So I recently made some rye jars. I soaked for 24 hours, then rinsed and drained. I had to soak an additional 12 hours because I couldn't use the PC at that time. After that, I rinsed and drained again and put them in a pot to simmer for about 20 min. I strained and did not do a rinse of the hot grains(my understanding is that adding cold water to the grains at this point will only extend the drying process). So, I let them sit out and dry up a bit on a window screen. Here's what they looked like just before loading them up:

I PC'd them at 15 psi for 90 minutes. At the end of the cycle, I moved the PC to another rack on the stove to let it cool down. After about three hours, I took my rye jars out and gave them a good shake to redistribute the moisture. After sitting on my shelf for a day, here's how they're looking:  

I'm not very experienced with rye (obviously), so I'm not sure if the grains have proper moisture content or not. Either way, I will be testing out my LI syringe on them soon (made from a colonized brf paste jar). :smile:






Your rye berries look exactly like the last batch I prepared. My berries colonized beautifully.



That's good to hear!! :smile: I'm still waiting on signs of colonization, I injected some LI solution in each jar two days ago. How long do you think it'll take to see some growth?


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Re: Are these rye grains too dry??? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21970820 - 07/20/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Mine looked similar to yours, and ive been having a lot of people tell me they look like shit.

Right after PCing:

6 days later:

What you think?

I haven't had any signs of colonization yet though :sad:



They look a little more hydrated than my jars. Did you use an MS syringe?


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Re: Are these rye grains too dry??? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21970896 - 07/20/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yup.


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Re: Are these rye grains too dry??? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21971021 - 07/20/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Growth could take awhile then. When I used MS, I didn't see growth until at least a week after inoculating.


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Re: Are these rye grains too dry??? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21972542 - 07/20/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I gotcha, I just hope they have enough moisture content and that they don't contam, if my first round of jars was successful thatd be awesome.

how easy is LC? never really read that in depth into it but from what ive seen its pretty easy to get contams.

also, whats the inoculation time from compared to agar


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Re: 2nd time prepping rye jars... [Re: Juiceh]
    #21972604 - 07/20/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Psilosoulful said:
Also, last time i went to Walmart to get some WBS, I noticed that they changed the look of the economy mix bag. It's called Wild bird feed instead of wild bird seed, and there's loads of cracked corn in it. Idk, it's literally unusable.



If you can find these bags at walmart they should have minimal cracked corn and the mix is nearly identical to the economy mix you are used to:


I just killed off a few bags of this stuff.



I use that same WBS...but thinking of switching to oats as well...checking sources for oats while I finish off a bag of seed
I'm going to try a new prep method...if it works I'll start a new thread


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Re: 2nd time prepping rye jars... [Re: Charleskun]
    #21975928 - 07/21/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you weigh your grains before and after soaking or cooking you can easily monitor the moisture levels.




How would you go about doing this?



You just weigh them before and after. 1ml of water is approx 1 gram

e.g. on my last batch I cooked 1kg of barley at 5psi for 20mins to hydrate it. I strained it out keeping the hot water and it weighed 1.8kg. I wanted 1ml to 1g of dry barley, so I knew I had to cook it longer. So it went back into the hot water and was boiled for another 10mins or so and came out at approx the correct weight, about 2kg.

I will often weigh jars with grains too, I can see a little moisture is lost during the PC cycle.

I hear all sorts of claims people have like "incubating dries grains out" and people worried that their grains have dried out since they did not use them. If you simply weigh jars you can see if this is true. If grains have dried out you can add moisture back in the form of LC, or even distilled water.

I have cooked grains and dried them out completely in a microwave and added all the mositure back as LC, which results in rapid colonisation. Or I have partially dried grains in the microwave so I could add lots of LC.

Working with semi dry grains does not work nearly as well, it is best to have them hydrated and then dried out.

I heat treat my coir like this too, I get it to field capacity, weigh it and the container, add say 200ml/200g of water and microwave it for about 30mins until it returns to its original weight. This means shit loads of steam is generated in the tub and it heats far more evenly.


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