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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21962141 - 07/18/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Also I dont see anything wrong with talking about your sex life !

What are you Zappa prude ?

Why in the world was there anything wrong with her posting how she had sex?

Seriously what is this Victorian England ? Why should she or anyone be ashamed of how they have sex?

I for one found it very interesting and don't judge any part of it, and I bet most others feel the same, and anyone who doesn't fuck em!

Newsflash people : sex isn't icky . Grow up Zappa.




It was just really personal, I was very reluctant to say all that stuff in the first place... my GF would legitimately be pissed if she knew that I had shared all of that, and the different spheres of my existence on the Internet are fairly porous. For example, ZiG is my friend on facebook. He is my friend and I trust him not to go pulling some sheisty shit behind my back but it's just a bad idea to share information that intimate in the first place.


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21962147 - 07/18/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

PS: i don't recall BlindSophist being anything less than cordial in this thread, either. so when people say: "your attacking me", really... where? where is she attacking anyone? she may be being forceful, but so is everyone else.

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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21962159 - 07/18/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Honestly it's extremely rude of you to be making all these presumptuous statements and I already regret typing all of this out. Your comments do not justify such a pacific response as this, but I am doing my best to serve in my unwanted role as an Educator.



Not for nothing, sweet cheeks, but I don't think I might have gone quite so revelatory about my personal sex life.




That would be a good call :shrug: I decided to edit it.

ZiG, just out of curiosity, how do you think you would respond in my position? If cis-man-on-cis-woman sex was exceedingly uncommon, and you felt compelled to end the ignorant stereotypes that are making your life a giant pain in the ass on a daily basis, and an informal non-professional acquaintance had a genuine curiosity about what you guys "actually do", how would you react?




I cannot say for sure but from my posts you may have noticed that I don't much give a shit what other people think but what you are doing is way beyond anything I have had to deal with.  I have tried to live my life completely under the radar and it has allowed me to get away with massive shit.  I signal my turns and stop at stop signs and red lights.  I sure as shit wouldn't post that much personal info on a public message board.  Y'all know a fair deal about me but you don't know everything and you definitely don't know how much I like to be tied up and pegged by large Negroes while my wife films it


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21962163 - 07/18/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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even more interesting if all the transgenders had to still have a penis, but keep it tucked the entire time, an entire game, running up and down the court, tucked, dam that would be fun to watch



this made me laugh thank you

and so did this thread


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21962165 - 07/18/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My point about that was totally valid. In the past it was unthinkable to physically transition from one gender to the other because we didn't have the medical or scientific capability . Now we do and the effect is revolutionary . People can change their biology to more closely match the internal identity .

Trans people want to change their external bodies to match their internal self conception or ideal self and now they can. As science progresses (rapidly) more and more new procedures will be invested just as radical as sexual reassignment surgery is today.

It will be possible for people to change their bodies in ways we can't imagine now, people can and will replace body parts with robotic parts, they can and will alter themselves to have animal like qualities, they can and will change their skin color and racial appearance .

It will be increasing possible to change ones physical body in preciously undreamt of ways to More closely match internal and ideal self image and identity .

This is true . It's a trend that has only begun with sexual reassignment surgery . To reflect on the future direction this is going ,( which will include "furries" using surgery to adopt animal like traits to match their own personal self image) among many other things. These were not mentioned as analogies but as inevitable future developments on the trajectory of body modification through medicine and surgery and science , or which sexual reassignment surgery is a striking example.

This is true and interesting and in no way demeans or insults trans people .

As for the clip , I asked you repeatedly to watch the whole documentary , not just that clip!

And as I explained that clip was super relevant to exactly what we were talking about at the time. Furthermore all I did was link the clip, I didn't make it ! The clip was a trans man sharing his real life experience . How can you be mad at me for sharing a clip of how a trans man describes his experience that was relevant to the topic ?

The whole documentary was pretty trans affirming and any slights you have imagined in my posts have been imaginary and projection.


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21962167 - 07/18/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
Do you think a trans woman (born with male biological sex but transitioned to woman as an adult ) should be allowed to fight against non- trans women in the UFC/MMA?




Yes. Apparently the UFC agrees with me on this one, too.

Also, if you'd like to avoid offense, the proper term for "non trans women" is "cis women". I know you prefer to use more words than fewer, but try to make an exception for this in the future.




Cool.

http://www.libertynewsnow.com/transgender-female-mma-fighter-brutally-injures-female-opponent/article1545


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Shroomism]
    #21962209 - 07/18/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Again, you seem to think that MMA inherently does not entail the risk of terrible injuries.


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Matt87]
    #21962487 - 07/18/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Rhonda rousey.




Ronda isn't transgender. She's hot.





Here's your transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox. Ronda wont fight her cause she used to be a dude..





I was saying RR should be the only woman transsexuals should be allowed to fight (she would murder FF).




I don't even care to see RR fight.



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Re: This chick is a man [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21963309 - 07/19/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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PS: i don't recall BlindSophist being anything less than cordial in this thread, either. so when people say: "your attacking me", really... where? where is she attacking anyone? she may be being forceful, but so is everyone else.

:sadyes:




Apparently, noticing when people say rude and disrespectful shit, and calling attention to it, is horribly rude.


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21963313 - 07/19/15 01:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

when you oppose, yes.


i'm gonna say: when you might savour life: yes.


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21963940 - 07/19/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
My point about that was totally valid. In the past it was unthinkable to physically transition from one gender to the other because we didn't have the medical or scientific capability . Now we do and the effect is revolutionary . People can change their biology to more closely match the internal identity .




This is not true. Immediate precedents for medical transition exist in every cultural sphere except the west and analogues to the practice have existed for thousands of years. Even the west had trans women in Roman times, they were called Gallae, priestesses to the Goddess Cybele, before they were wiped out by Christianity. There have been Hijra in India for many centuries. Two-spirits existed in the Americas prior to colonization and some would follow a program of herbal hormone supplementation. The practice of farming the hormonally rich urine of pregnant horses has been known around the world for many centuries. Premarin, the first estrogen/progesterone containing hormonal supplement on the western market, was derived in this way, proving my point that the effects of hormones were known long before western medicine took credit for it.

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Trans people want to change their external bodies to match their internal self conception or ideal self and now they can. As science progresses (rapidly) more and more new procedures will be invested just as radical as sexual reassignment surgery is today.

It will be possible for people to change their bodies in ways we can't imagine now, people can and will replace body parts with robotic parts, they can and will alter themselves to have animal like qualities, they can and will change their skin color and racial appearance .

It will be increasing possible to change ones physical body in preciously undreamt of ways to More closely match internal and ideal self image and identity .

This is true . It's a trend that has only begun with sexual reassignment surgery . To reflect on the future direction this is going ,( which will include "furries" using surgery to adopt animal like traits to match their own personal self image) among many other things. These were not mentioned as analogies but as inevitable future developments on the trajectory of body modification through medicine and surgery and science , or which sexual reassignment surgery is a striking example.

This is true and interesting and in no way demeans or insults trans people .




This understanding of transition really emphasizes the cosmetic aspects while ignoring the deep neuropsychological factors that compel a trans person to change. I keep trying to say this and keep getting ignored, in the end I didn't transition because I wanted to look different. I did it because my moods were disordered and my emotions were occluded and it was ruining my fucking life. I'd always seen myself as female and certainly wished for others to do so as well but in the end, the primary motivation for hormonal transition was to be safe in my own goddamn head, not to look a certain way for other people. The fact that my feminization is coming along nicely certainly is a nice perk, but this process would be medically necessary for me regardless to whether I got curvy or stayed flat as a post, because my brain was fundamentally incompatible with my naturally occurring sex hormones.

It's extremely demeaning to compare the very deeply felt need for this type of transition to the totally cosmetic "need" to be an anthropomorphic cartoon animal or another race. It's far off base, and speaking as somebody who has followed the recent struggle for trans rights very closely, it's a politically toxic to the struggle for trans equality. This misunderstanding of how trans people experience themselves is used to deny the viability and necessity of care, to great detriment for the people who need it. If you cared about our struggle for equality, you would please take me seriously when I tell you that these comparisons are not only inappropriate, they are politically loaded and have the potential to do great harm.

I know you think you are being evenhanded and utopian, but your views are vastly oversimplified and completely uninformed by the reality of the situation, and I wish you wouldn't get so defensive and go into denial when I say that you are speaking in inappropriate, offensive, politically loaded terms. I hate it when cis people presume to know what "should" or "shouldn't" be offensive to trans people. Not for nothing but you have no idea what the hell you are talking about and the reasonable thing to do would be to defer to somebody who does. I mean no offense by this. I am not calling you a transphobe or a bigot. But what you are saying is inappropriate and politically dangerous and I want you, out of respect to myself and my sisters in transition, to stop talking like this. I am not "projecting" or "irrational", I simply know many things on this subject that you did not learn from your documentary.

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As for the clip , I asked you repeatedly to watch the whole documentary , not just that clip!

And as I explained that clip was super relevant to exactly what we were talking about at the time. Furthermore all I did was link the clip, I didn't make it ! The clip was a trans man sharing his real life experience . How can you be mad at me for sharing a clip of how a trans man describes his experience that was relevant to the topic ?

The whole documentary was pretty trans affirming and any slights you have imagined in my posts have been imaginary and projection.




I really just don't feel like watching the goddamn documentary, can't you respect that?


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21964042 - 07/19/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you don't want to watch the documentary fine but don't blame me for posting a clip of it, if you don't watch the documentary for context that's your choice not mine.

There are people who engage in furry just for fun but there are others (maybe they have a different name) who strongly feel like their true inner self is a fox, dog or cat.
For them it's not just cosmetic it's an identity issue. I don't understand It but I accept it and don't judge it or demean it. If you find it demeaning for trans people to be mentioned in the same post as communities like this then it would seem you are Being demeaning of these groups , denying their validity, rather then me being demeaning to trans people.

Your claim that sexual reassignment surgery as it exists today is not a radical new development is patently absurd. The possibility of medical and surgical transition today is totally unprecedented. Obviously trans people have been around forever, in various cultures , and I never said otherwise. But modern sexual reassignment and chemical and hormonal therapies are totally new and revolutionary.

I never denied anything about the reasons why trans people transition, I just pointed out that just as they are able to transition from one gender to another for internal and identity reasons, so other forms of transitioning will become more and more possible and common for internal and identity reasons, even if those reasons are very different.

I didn't say you wanted to transition for cosmetic reasons , I said people will increasingly change their bodies to more closely match how they think of themselves and feel inside and how their ideal self would be configured physically.

Again you are misunderstand my basic point. I am not comparing transgender to transracial or furry people in the sense of saying they are the same or have the same motivations, I am just pointing out that they have in common a desire to change their bodies to more closely match their ideal self. This is undoubtedly, undeniably true and there is zero reason to take offence to it. Trans people want to change their bodies to more match their ideal self image, and so do other groups. This trend will continue and expand . It won't stop with sexual reassignment , it will also manifest in other things like trans humanism and replacing organic body parts with artificial and digital prosthetics.

What I am saying is true, undeniably so, and interesting . There is no reason that you should take offence to the observation that science is increasingly enabling humans , for various reasons and with various motivations , to change their bodies and alter their physical self , in increasingly profound ways.

I never said being trans is exactly the same or has the same motivations as other forms of body modification. I just pointed out that like being trans, other forms of identity and body modification are being enabled by science.

You can't deny facts just because they make you uncomfortable for some political reason. It may upset you that people will use surgery to change their racial appearance, get animal ears and cat eyes or have robot arms, but these are facts. They will remain facts no matter how much you choose to be offended by them. and no matter how much you hate trans people having something in common with transracial people or furries, there is a commonality - the use of surgery and science to change the body in accordance with felt identity and ideal self image .

It's not the same , it's not identical , it's not equal in motivation or importance, but it has an undeniable commonality in that key area - using science to change the body to more
Closely match the internal identity and mind.

There is nothing demeaning or offensive in my observation that trans people are one manifestation of a historical trend towards more modification of the body, and this is a real historical trend that it is fully appropriate to observe. i don't deny that the motivation of trans people to engage in body modification is very different then the motivation of others , but what these different groups have in common is the use of body modification to achieve or embody the desired identity, and just as trans people are becoming increasingly accepted, so these other forms of body modification (such as transhumanism and robot parts) will also become increasingly mainstream.

This is simply true, and it's no more productive to get offended by this historical trend then it is to be offended by the passing of the seasons.


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21964453 - 07/19/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Women exist. Anthropomorphic cartoon animals do not. There is no neurostructural pattern that is particular to an anthropomorphic cartoon animal and no neurochemical balance that is particular to anthropomorphic cartoon animals. I am not demeaning the furry community by pointing out that this analogy is inappropriate and absurd.

Chemical and hormonal therapies are NOT new or revolutionary. The only recent innovation in terms of gender transition is SRS, the other steps have existed for centuries in hiding. Further, body modification is far more extensively practiced in primitive societies than in ours. IMO you have not identified any real historical trend here.

Again, you can either continue to repeat these mistaken and inappropriate statements as fact, or you can respect trans people by taking it from the only trans person who is willing to correct you that you are fatally mistaken. You can not have it both ways.


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21964461 - 07/19/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think that that furry stuff is closely related to bestiality... not a good thing.


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21964531 - 07/19/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I just called my girl a cis-woman and she got pretty offended. She said the correct term for a non-trans woman is just woman.





the very reason I get offended by the term 'cis'


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #21964535 - 07/19/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Typical cissy fit.


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Shroomism]
    #21964548 - 07/19/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you think a trans woman (born with male biological sex but transitioned to woman as an adult ) should be allowed to fight against non- trans women in the UFC/MMA?




Yes. Apparently the UFC agrees with me on this one, too.

Also, if you'd like to avoid offense, the proper term for "non trans women" is "cis women". I know you prefer to use more words than fewer, but try to make an exception for this in the future.




Cool.

http://www.libertynewsnow.com/transgender-female-mma-fighter-brutally-injures-female-opponent/article1545






rousey must be a trans woman as well



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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21964552 - 07/19/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Typical cissy fit.





so trannies are the only ones allowed to be offended


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21964558 - 07/19/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you keep insisting on saying "tranny" while refusing to punish its use even though it is a slur which is deeply offensive to trans people, I should get to call you a cissy. It's only fair.


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21964567 - 07/19/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you keep insisting on saying "tranny" while refusing to punish its use even though it is a slur which is deeply offensive to trans people, I should get to call you a cissy. It's only fair.





cis gender, cis man and cis woman are all slurs


tranny is in the dictionary


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