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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
#21961745 - 07/18/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The difference is probably not as profound as you think it is.
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zappaisgod said: Sorry doll, you know I support you and Rose and Macey as much as anybody but the dick is a total deal breaker for me.
It's a shame considering you are beyond a doubt the most eligible man here. You are a credit to the patriarchy.
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Of course it is as profound as I think it is . If you have a penis, you can't have vaginal sex or bear children.
Those are among the most important parts of a heterosexual relationship . The difference could scarcely be more profound .
The difference would be equally profound for a lesbian woman in a relationship with a trans woman.
Can you explain or justify in anyway your claim the difference is not profound ?
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zappaisgod said: Sorry doll, you know I support you and Rose and Macey as much as anybody but the dick is a total deal breaker for me.
It's a shame considering you are beyond a doubt the most eligible man here. You are a credit to the patriarchy.
Haven't you spent most of your life as part of the patriarchy?
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
#21961813 - 07/18/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, my girlfriend is a cisgender lesbian and we do have an extremely lezzy relationship. She is phallophobic and has never been with a man. Thank you for providing the best possible counterexample to reinforce my point.
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What counter example ? How does it reinforce your point ?
You said your girlfriend is phallophobic. That means afraid of penis . You have a penis . Therefore she is afraid of part of your body. Therefore it's a profound difference .
And if she is afraid of penis and you don't have a vagina, then you are basically sexually incompatible . She can't give your oral sex which is the main way lesbians have sex.
I can't imagine a more profound difference .
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
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Moonshoe said: What counter example ? How does it reinforce your point ?
You said your girlfriend is phallophobic. That means afraid of penis . You have a penis . Therefore she is afraid of part of your body. Therefore it's a profound difference .
And if she is afraid of penis and you don't have a vagina, then you are basically sexually incompatible . She can't give your oral sex which is the main way lesbians have sex.
I can't imagine a more profound difference .
We have great sex. Are you a lesbian? If not, I think you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
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zappaisgod said: Sorry doll, you know I support you and Rose and Macey as much as anybody but the dick is a total deal breaker for me.
It's a shame considering you are beyond a doubt the most eligible man here. You are a credit to the patriarchy.
Haven't you spent most of your life as part of the patriarchy?
I guess? I think the answer depends on your definitions. I am not a parent and I was conspicuously ineligible for parenthood before my transition, so I'm gonna go with no.
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I don't need to be a lesbian to know that oral sex is the main way lesbians have sex any more then I need to be gay to know that anal sex is a big part of gay relationships.
If you have a penis and your girlfriend doesn't like penis , how is it possible for you to have sex?
You can give her oral but she can't give you oral. You can't penetrate her and she can't penetrate you. She could finger your butt and you could kiss and cuddle.
It's great If you have found some way to have sex despite the lack lof physically and psychologically compatible parts . I would like to know how you do that .
But to say having a penis is not a profound difference and then say yor girl friend is phallophobic could not be more contradictory and nonsensical. If your girlfriend is afraid of penis and you have a penis that is a huge difference from a lesbian relationship between two cis females.
Please note different does not mean less or bad, it means not the same .
Different does not imply unequal.
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
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Thank you for explaining that. I was genuinely curious.
What is a hitachi ?
What about my statements was "presumptuous"? I don't see anything I said as rude, just open.
Much of what you have said to me today seemed extremely rude to me, but it's all good . I have enjoyed all the discussion a lot and found it very interesting . I am fascinated by this topic and i am in the process of learning everything I can about transgender .
Therefore the opportunity to talk to you has been awesome.
are you planning to have Bottom surgery in the future ? I think it's called bottom surgery . Are you planning to have a vagina someday?
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
#21962012 - 07/18/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Thank you for explaining that. I was genuinely curious.
What is a hitachi ?
What about my statements was "presumptuous"? I don't see anything I said as rude, just open.
Much of what you have said to me today seemed extremely rude to me, but it's all good . I have enjoyed all the discussion a lot and found it very interesting . I am fascinated by this topic and i am in the process of learning everything I can about transgender .
Therefore the opportunity to talk to you has been awesome.
are you planning to have Bottom surgery in the future ? I think it's called bottom surgery . Are you planning to have a vagina someday?
It's a personal subject so I can get heated at times when people are speaking authoritatively from a position of ignorance. I do regret coming off as rude and I am honestly doing my best to be more judicious with my anger dealing with non-antagonistic people who are simply ignorant.
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And I do plan on having SRS someday. I'm not sure when, since it is very expensive (even though IMO it should be covered by health insurance) and I have to research surgeons. I only get one shot at this so I want to make sure I get it right.
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Honestly it's extremely rude of you to be making all these presumptuous statements and I already regret typing all of this out. Your comments do not justify such a pacific response as this, but I am doing my best to serve in my unwanted role as an Educator.
Not for nothing, sweet cheeks, but I don't think I might have gone quite so revelatory about my personal sex life.
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Honestly it's extremely rude of you to be making all these presumptuous statements and I already regret typing all of this out. Your comments do not justify such a pacific response as this, but I am doing my best to serve in my unwanted role as an Educator.
Not for nothing, sweet cheeks, but I don't think I might have gone quite so revelatory about my personal sex life.
That would be a good call I decided to edit it.
ZiG, just out of curiosity, how do you think you would respond in my position? If cis-man-on-cis-woman sex was exceedingly uncommon, and you felt compelled to end the ignorant stereotypes that are making your life a giant pain in the ass on a daily basis, and an informal non-professional acquaintance had a genuine curiosity about what you guys "actually do", how would you react?
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Again , I am hearing an implied apology and again I accept it.
Believe it or not I have been engaging in well intentioned good natured conversation with you with zero desire to cause any hurt or offence , not do I believe I have said a single transphobic or hate inspired thing.
I was actually astonished you accused me of bigotry and responded with so much hostility as nothing I said at all expressed anything like that at all.
I am actually pro-trans, that's why I find it astonishing you got so angry and accusatory with me. You even gave me a bad rating when all I did was post a very trans affirmative documentary and engaged in some very open honest and non derogatory discussion .
The way you have interpreted my posts has rarely been close to what they said, far less what I intended. You lumped me in with a bunch of transphobic people but you did so wrongly and without justification in what I actually posted.
If you feel like changing or removing my rating I will gladly do the same with yours, but regardless I enjoy talking with you, I just find it dismaying that you have been unremittingly hostile towards me for no reason.
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
#21962061 - 07/18/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also I dont see anything wrong with talking about your sex life !
What are you Zappa prude ?
Why in the world was there anything wrong with her posting how she had sex?
Seriously what is this Victorian England ? Why should she or anyone be ashamed of how they have sex?
I for one found it very interesting and don't judge any part of it, and I bet most others feel the same, and anyone who doesn't fuck em!
Newsflash people : sex isn't icky . Grow up Zappa.
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
#21962066 - 07/18/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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sex is just hilarious.
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
#21962118 - 07/18/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I changed your rating to a 2 instead of a 0.
I have nothing against you personally, and I realize now that you had no ill intent, but your comments in that other thread, where you compared gender transitioning with wanting to have a penis plus a vagina, or wanting to be an anthropomorphic cartoon animal, or being white but wanting to be seen as black, were extremely trivializing of the very serious medical issue of gender dysphoria, of its neurological etiology, and of the experiences which compel trans people to transition. These trivializing analogies, which could only make sense from the perspective of never having needed to undergo a gender transition and being unaware of what drives people to make this decision, are components of ideologies which have caused immense harm to the movement for transgender rights, and damaged us on the individual level, in recent decades.
I was also pretty upset with the specific five-minute clip you referred-- of a young trans man who transitioned early expressing something approaching "regret" around transition-- because it seemed to encapsulate a complete ignorance of the terrible post-pubertal pain of gender dysphoria which informs the logic of allowing children access to preliminary transition-related therapies. Obviously I was less certain of the need to transition when I was 16 than I was when I started at 27, because I hadn't lived in the hell of gender dysphoria for ten or so years. I was much less credulous of this stuff when I was sixteen, much more skeptical and much more likely to ask similar questions.
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