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ShootinD5nukes
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nicechrisman said: Hotness is pretty much the measure of value and worth of a woman
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BlindSophist said: Also, if you'd like to avoid offense, the proper term for "non trans women" is "cis women".
I find that offensive
i find trolling offensive. when are we gonna get a clean up on aisle troll here, Pris?
right now, I'll start with you since that's all you do
that'll eliminate 60% of the pub's trolling
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Matt87 said: Rhonda rousey.
Ronda isn't transgender. She's hot.
  
Here's your transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox. Ronda wont fight her cause she used to be a dude..

I was saying RR should be the only woman transsexuals should be allowed to fight (she would murder FF).
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akira_akuma
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Prisoner#1 said:
right now, I'll start with you since that's all you do
that'll eliminate 60% of the pub's trolling
no. you're probably not aware of the amount of trolling that people do, on and off, and oh yeah the flaming too.
but i can see why you'd be sidetracked with me, i'm a blinding hot white light of truth.
so besides that, do you...do you want people to report inflammatory posts or no? make up your fucking mind already.
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Moonshoe
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Just because she doesn't win all her fights does not mean she doesn't have an unfair advantage . 
Someone taking steroids might still lose occasionally but they still have an unfair advantage .
Honestly everything joe has said about the issue is totally accurate . A post transition trans woman is not the same physiologically as a cis woman and they have unfair advantages as a result of bone structure and other factors resulting from going through puberty as a male.
A big jaw is absolutely an advantage. In a combat sport this kind of advantage is doubly unfair and far more consequential because of the risk of serious injury or death.
I think this woman is Doing a disservice to trans women by insisting on fighting cis women in MMA.
What Dana white said is the same thing joe says. He is right on about this, it's unfair , dangerous and unethical for a trans woman to fight cis women.
If this is allowed it sets a terrible precedent where men who can't cut it in male MMA could transition to fight in women's MMA where they will have a significant advantage, and that would reflect very badly on the trans community .
Gender transitioning should not be a way to secure an athletic and competitive advantage.
Hormone treatments will not make a trans woman identical to a cis woman and not identical means not fair.
And the fact that some cis women may be outliers who are bigger or stronger then a trans woman does not make it any more appropriate or fair.
Some small people are outliers who are stronger then big people but that doesn't mean we don't need weight classes or that heavy people should be allowed to fight in lower weight classes.
Trans women deserve to be treated like cis women in every case I can think of except competitive combat sports . In MMA, it's wrong for her to be allowed to compete with cis women.
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
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Do you really think that any guy would undergo hormone therapy and SRS just to gain an athletic advantage? Gender dysphoria works on cis people too, you know. Transitioning would be a literal nightmare and hell on earth for somebody who wasn't trans. People don't transition to get an "advantage" like that.
Women come in all shapes and sizes and IMO it is unfair to ban trans women when cis women who have the same "outlier" advantages are allowed to compete unquestioned.
You're entitled to your opinion on this and I think reasonable people could disagree on this issue, but I find it a bit presumptuous that you would assign yourself the authority to say that Fallon is doing "a disservice" to me. I admire and respect her for exposing herself to massive controversy and a world of hate in pursuit of her dreams.
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Patlal
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BlindSophist said: Do you really think that any guy would undergo hormone therapy and SRS just to gain an athletic advantage?
Fucking yes they would.
Cheaters a re everywhere.
An athletic advantage is the difference between dropping out of football in college and becoming the Superbowl MVP. Millions of dollars are at play here.
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Patlal]
#21961544 - 07/18/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Considering the precedent has already been set in many sports for trans women to compete in women's leagues, I think it's incumbent upon you and Moon shoe to provide examples of this happening outside of your imagination.
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Moonshoe
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Yes I think a small number of individuals would transition to attain competitive advantage, especially because transitioning doesn't nexessarily involve any hornones or surgery (from the links you provided me in the other thread). People could even do it for more sinister reasons like the desire to beat up women.
But even if someone transitions because of legitimate trans identity, it's still not fair, safe or right for that person to fight cis women in MMA.
Even if you say she should be able to fight , where do you draw the line? What if she hadn't had any hormone or surgical treatments? Should a trans woman who hasn't had any medical treatments still be allowed to fight ?
And if you say no, how do you draw the line? What if she has only had treatments for a year?
The argument that trans women should be allowed to fight because cis outliers might be stronger is invalid, by the same logic steroids should be allowed.
Steroids are banned because they give an unfair advantage , not because they make you stronger then every single person who isn't on steroids . Likewise a trans woman might not be stronger then every single cis female , but it's still an unfair advantage .
To be truly fair you would have to have trans women's and trans men's divisions, where trans people can fight other trans people.
Trans women should not be fighting cis women or cis men, but only other trans women , at least when you are talking about professional competition.
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4HO-DMT


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I just called my girl a cis-woman and she got pretty offended. She said the correct term for a non-trans woman is just woman.
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nicechrisman
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#21961571 - 07/18/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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4HO-DMT said: I just called my girl a cis-woman and she got pretty offended. She said the correct term for a non-trans woman is just woman.
you should tell her to stop oppressing trans women
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nicechrisman said:
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4HO-DMT said: I just called my girl a cis-woman and she got pretty offended. She said the correct term for a non-trans woman is just woman.
you should tell her to stop oppressing trans women
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#21961585 - 07/18/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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4HO-DMT said: I just called my girl a cis-woman and she got pretty offended. She said the correct term for a non-trans woman is just woman.
I guess that makes sense . So then there is just women and trans women, but no cis women.
You would say "a woman and a trans woman were at the park" instead of "a trans woman and a cis woman were at the park".
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
#21961593 - 07/18/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Trans women are women. If cis women don't want to be called cis women then they should stop calling us trans women and just call us women.
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
#21961599 - 07/18/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Moonshoe
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But there are many situations where it would be necessary to differentiate the two and specify one or the other . Trans women are women, but there are still fundamental and consequential differences .
Trans women cannot become pregnant or menstruate, they have no ovaries.
If a trans woman meets a man and there is romantic interest she has an ethical obligation to disclose that she is trans . How can she do that without the word trans ?
Trans people have unique medical needs and mental health challenges . All of these realities require a special word to identify trans people and distinguish them from cis people.
In most cases you can just call a trans woman a woman, but there are many situations where you would need a word to distinguish them, for example if you are raising awareness of the unique challenges faced by trans people, you need the words trans or some other word with the same meaning.
And I think many trans people do identify as trans , not only as women or men.
And especially when you consider that many trans women still have penises, it's pretty clear you can't just call them women without any other qualifier, practically speaking .
Contrarily women do not need an extra word, saying cis women is essentially redundant .
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Also taking a few years of some self defense Korean matial art doesn't have ANY bearing on the sport of MMA. 2 completely different animals and if you can't see the difference in advantages you just want to see what you wanna see.
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
#21961705 - 07/18/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Having a penis does not make me any less of a woman.
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TheGreenArrow
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Giant hands and a bigger frame make for an advantage in a sport like MMA. Why is this even being debated? Your PC bullcrap is flat out scary sometimes.
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Sorry doll, you know I support you and Rose and Macey as much as anybody but the dick is a total deal breaker for me.
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Well, it may not make you less of a woman, but it certainly makes you radically, profoundly physically different from a cis woman .
It's important to differentiate gender and sex. If you have a penis you may be a female in terms of gender , but you are male in terms of sex, gender being social/cultural and sex being biological and physical.
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