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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21960626 - 07/18/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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But my understanding is that hormones like testosterone have irreversible effects .




You are mistaken. If this was the case, trans women would not take testosterone blockers.

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So she would have had more testosterone during Her formative years then Her cis female competitors, would that not have lingering advantageous effects even with her taking testosterone blockers now ?




Skeletal developments undertaken during puberty tend to be only partially reversible, but they are not greater than the natural variation within the cis female population.

The addition of muscle mass is completely reversible. Fallon Fox transitioned ten years ago, there is no way her present musculature bears any resemblance or reflection of its pre-transition norms and capacity.

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In other words wouldn't she have developed totally differently from cis females during puberty with the result of permanent differences that provide a combat advantage ?




No.

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And if she chose to not take those blockers , would she still be allowed to compete with cis women ?




I don't know. Ask the UFC. I actually think she has had SRS, so she probably doesn't have to take testosterone blockers because she doesn't have testes in the first place.


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21960680 - 07/18/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Also, if you'd like to avoid offense, the proper term for "non trans women" is "cis women".






I find that offensive


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21960682 - 07/18/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Have you ever heard any of Joe Rogan's many rants about this issue ?




Yes, and he is an ignorant asshole.






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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21960692 - 07/18/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Have you ever heard any of Joe Rogan's many rants about this issue ?




Yes, and he is an ignorant asshole.






oh look, we have common ground




Why do you feel that way about Joe Rogan? I always had mixed feelings about him before I learned his opinions on Fallon Fox, that made things a bit easier for me.


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21960713 - 07/18/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

from his incessant ramblings on drugs to his views on trans women fighting, I have
never believed the bullshit of women being the weaker sex, sure, some women are
weak but so are some men and having seen women compete against men in many sports
I believe they are equal to men in both strength and skill, their actual physical
differences can in fact play to their advantage even with less strength than men
so in reality, a trans woman isnt going to have an easy time in the ring


rogan is just a twat


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21960838 - 07/18/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When you say "no if that were the case trans women would not take testosterone blockers " that appears to be contradictory and make no sense.

Testosterone does have irreversible effects , it says so in the documentary I posted in the other thread. I would imagine that is part of why trans women take blockers, to prevent those testosterone induced changes which has irreversible outcomes , from occurring in the first place.

I think maybe you mis read or mis spoke or something because what you said there does not appear to make sense . What am I missing here ?


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21960875 - 07/18/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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When you say "no if that were the case trans women would not take testosterone blockers " that appears to be contradictory and make no sense.




How is that contradictory? We take testosterone blockers because they stop testosterone from working throughout our bodies and eventually shut down testosterone production at the gonads, leading to a massive drop in serum levels of testosterone and the loss or mitigation of male secondary sex characteristics. What are you not understanding here?

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Testosterone does have irreversible effects , it says so in the documentary I posted in the other thread. I would imagine that is part of why trans women take blockers, to prevent those testosterone induced changes which has irreversible outcomes , from occurring in the first place.

I think maybe you mis read or mis spoke or something because what you said there does not appear to make sense . What am I missing here ?




Bone structure is actually the only irreversible effect that I can think of. I am sure that your documentary oversimplified most or all of the biochemical aspects of hormone replacement.


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21960881 - 07/18/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Here, this Wikipedia page might help clear up your confusion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_(male-to-female)#Effects_of_HRT


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21960882 - 07/18/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Look up pics of her BEFORE she did steroids (which essentially turns women into men)

I doubt they would let a tranny play in the NBA


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21960903 - 07/18/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You aren't sure of anything about a documentary you can't be bothered to watch.

Throughout the documentary several different doctors unequivocally tell children and their families who are considering hormone treatments (testosterone included ) that this will have irreversible effects.

And bone density and bone structure are exactly what joe rogan is talking about when he says she has an unfair advantage .


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21960904 - 07/18/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

not a man, thats definitely a broad with abnormal hormone levels. and face is too feminine for a man standing 6'8


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21960908 - 07/18/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

" It cannot undo many of the changes produced by the first natural occurring puberty"


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Matt87]
    #21960917 - 07/18/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Rhonda rousey.




Ronda isn't transgender. She's hot.





Here's your transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox. Ronda wont fight her cause she used to be a dude..



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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21960922 - 07/18/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ronda is a poor sport.


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21960924 - 07/18/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You aren't sure of anything about a documentary you can't be bothered to watch.

Throughout the documentary several different doctors unequivocally tell children and their families who are considering hormone treatments (testosterone included ) that this will have irreversible effects.

And bone density and bone structure are exactly what joe rogan is talking about when he says she has an unfair advantage .




Does she win every match she has? Bone density is not one of the irreversible changes.

The page I linked you to should be pretty informative for you


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21960931 - 07/18/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Ronda is a poor sport.






Take a look at the chick Fox fought before they knew she was a dude. They show the knockout and she doesn't sound like she's playing with a full deck here in the interview



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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21960941 - 07/18/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You aren't sure of anything about a documentary you can't be bothered to watch.

Throughout the documentary several different doctors unequivocally tell children and their families who are considering hormone treatments (testosterone included ) that this will have irreversible effects.

And bone density and bone structure are exactly what joe rogan is talking about when he says she has an unfair advantage .




Her's the Joe Rogan video. It's a dude with his dick chopped off is basically what he said.



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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21960949 - 07/18/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Do you suppose UFC matches would still entail the risk of injury without trans woman fighters being involved?


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21960963 - 07/18/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The page you linked directly contradicts your argument and directly supports joe Rogan's by saying hormone treatments don't reverse puberty meaning because she went through puberty as a male she has an advantage over cis females that hormone treatments don't reverse.


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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21960969 - 07/18/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The page you linked directly contradicts your argument and directly supports joe Rogan's by saying hormone treatments don't reverse puberty meaning because she went through puberty as a male she has an advantage over cis females that hormone treatments don't reverse.




Where on that page does it say that trans women have an unfair advantage in competition with cis women?


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