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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
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Moonshoe said: But my understanding is that hormones like testosterone have irreversible effects .
You are mistaken. If this was the case, trans women would not take testosterone blockers.
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So she would have had more testosterone during Her formative years then Her cis female competitors, would that not have lingering advantageous effects even with her taking testosterone blockers now ?
Skeletal developments undertaken during puberty tend to be only partially reversible, but they are not greater than the natural variation within the cis female population.
The addition of muscle mass is completely reversible. Fallon Fox transitioned ten years ago, there is no way her present musculature bears any resemblance or reflection of its pre-transition norms and capacity.
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In other words wouldn't she have developed totally differently from cis females during puberty with the result of permanent differences that provide a combat advantage ?
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And if she chose to not take those blockers , would she still be allowed to compete with cis women ?
I don't know. Ask the UFC. I actually think she has had SRS, so she probably doesn't have to take testosterone blockers because she doesn't have testes in the first place.
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BlindSophist said: Also, if you'd like to avoid offense, the proper term for "non trans women" is "cis women".
I find that offensive
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Moonshoe said: Have you ever heard any of Joe Rogan's many rants about this issue ?
Yes, and he is an ignorant asshole.
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Moonshoe said: Have you ever heard any of Joe Rogan's many rants about this issue ?
Yes, and he is an ignorant asshole.
oh look, we have common ground
Why do you feel that way about Joe Rogan? I always had mixed feelings about him before I learned his opinions on Fallon Fox, that made things a bit easier for me.
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from his incessant ramblings on drugs to his views on trans women fighting, I have never believed the bullshit of women being the weaker sex, sure, some women are weak but so are some men and having seen women compete against men in many sports I believe they are equal to men in both strength and skill, their actual physical differences can in fact play to their advantage even with less strength than men so in reality, a trans woman isnt going to have an easy time in the ring
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When you say "no if that were the case trans women would not take testosterone blockers " that appears to be contradictory and make no sense.
Testosterone does have irreversible effects , it says so in the documentary I posted in the other thread. I would imagine that is part of why trans women take blockers, to prevent those testosterone induced changes which has irreversible outcomes , from occurring in the first place.
I think maybe you mis read or mis spoke or something because what you said there does not appear to make sense . What am I missing here ?
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
#21960875 - 07/18/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: When you say "no if that were the case trans women would not take testosterone blockers " that appears to be contradictory and make no sense.
How is that contradictory? We take testosterone blockers because they stop testosterone from working throughout our bodies and eventually shut down testosterone production at the gonads, leading to a massive drop in serum levels of testosterone and the loss or mitigation of male secondary sex characteristics. What are you not understanding here?
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Testosterone does have irreversible effects , it says so in the documentary I posted in the other thread. I would imagine that is part of why trans women take blockers, to prevent those testosterone induced changes which has irreversible outcomes , from occurring in the first place.
I think maybe you mis read or mis spoke or something because what you said there does not appear to make sense . What am I missing here ?
Bone structure is actually the only irreversible effect that I can think of. I am sure that your documentary oversimplified most or all of the biochemical aspects of hormone replacement.
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Look up pics of her BEFORE she did steroids (which essentially turns women into men)
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You aren't sure of anything about a documentary you can't be bothered to watch.
Throughout the documentary several different doctors unequivocally tell children and their families who are considering hormone treatments (testosterone included ) that this will have irreversible effects.
And bone density and bone structure are exactly what joe rogan is talking about when he says she has an unfair advantage .
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not a man, thats definitely a broad with abnormal hormone levels. and face is too feminine for a man standing 6'8
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" It cannot undo many of the changes produced by the first natural occurring puberty"
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Matt87]
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Matt87 said: Rhonda rousey.
Ronda isn't transgender. She's hot.
  
Here's your transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox. Ronda wont fight her cause she used to be a dude..
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Ronda is a poor sport.
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
#21960924 - 07/18/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: You aren't sure of anything about a documentary you can't be bothered to watch.
Throughout the documentary several different doctors unequivocally tell children and their families who are considering hormone treatments (testosterone included ) that this will have irreversible effects.
And bone density and bone structure are exactly what joe rogan is talking about when he says she has an unfair advantage .
Does she win every match she has? Bone density is not one of the irreversible changes.
The page I linked you to should be pretty informative for you
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Take a look at the chick Fox fought before they knew she was a dude. They show the knockout and she doesn't sound like she's playing with a full deck here in the interview
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
#21960941 - 07/18/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: You aren't sure of anything about a documentary you can't be bothered to watch.
Throughout the documentary several different doctors unequivocally tell children and their families who are considering hormone treatments (testosterone included ) that this will have irreversible effects.
And bone density and bone structure are exactly what joe rogan is talking about when he says she has an unfair advantage .
Her's the Joe Rogan video. It's a dude with his dick chopped off is basically what he said.
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Do you suppose UFC matches would still entail the risk of injury without trans woman fighters being involved?
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The page you linked directly contradicts your argument and directly supports joe Rogan's by saying hormone treatments don't reverse puberty meaning because she went through puberty as a male she has an advantage over cis females that hormone treatments don't reverse.
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Re: This chick is a man [Re: Moonshoe]
#21960969 - 07/18/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: The page you linked directly contradicts your argument and directly supports joe Rogan's by saying hormone treatments don't reverse puberty meaning because she went through puberty as a male she has an advantage over cis females that hormone treatments don't reverse.
Where on that page does it say that trans women have an unfair advantage in competition with cis women?
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