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Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money?
#21958987 - 07/18/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was approached by an asian lady today she had needle marks all over her arms and her face looks all fucked up from meth (I think). I was smoking a cigarette and she just sat down next to me and light up a cig as well. I thought she was going to ask for money but she didn't so I asked her whats up and she said nothing and looked very sick she was pale and sweating bad. It seemed like she was having withdrawals and had been crying so I asked her if she likes to party she sorta smiled and said sometimes and I said well if your sick from not partying I can give you twenty dollars if you need it.
She knew what I meant so she took my money thanked me and left but I feel bad about it she was obviously buying some seriously fucked up drugs but she was sick like bad so I helped her out. Do you guys think that was bad of me she looked like she needed it even though I think that stuff is messed up. Idk what would you guys do if that happend to you?
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: thewanderer25]
#21959009 - 07/18/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would party with her.
Not.really, i would probably have not.even.talked to her, because I'm that kinda person.
Besides, i need my drugs more than her. Maybe i.would spark a lil conversation, then offer her a frsd hit of L.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: thewanderer25]
#21959010 - 07/18/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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A junkie is going to be a junkie. If you're okay with feeding their habits, go for it. You're not going to make them clean up by denying them the money. If they're begging you're also not going to encourage or discourage them by whatever decision you make (let's face it, if they get the money even once they'll just keep doing it and there is always going to be those one or two people who give it to them).
I won't give money to people to fund their habits. I don't really see anything wrong it in theory, I'm just not rich enough to be giving money away. I also won't give random beggars money on principal. Where I live, all the beggars are well known, at least to me and my wife. We both have had to run them all off store property as managers so many times (customer complains to a manager about it, we have to act) that we recognize every single one. I mean maybe I'm wrong and these people need a loaf of bread and gallon of milk every single day, but I kinda doubt I am. If I am wrong, I'd like to know how they consumed a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk in the 10-20 minute window it takes for them to get the same amount of money from the next person who gives it to them (it's not like if they get what they needed originally they just leave).
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Shroomslip]
#21959030 - 07/18/15 01:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The thing is that I saw her feeling bad like really bad it looked like she was in physical pain. I just don't like to see anyone go through that so I figured if I gave her the 20 she would be able to get enough to stop being sick. I was just thinking about if I was in her shoes. But idk it may have been better if I just let her withdrawal she would could have gone sober. However she was on some seriously addictive drugs she looked like somebody who was close to dying from sickness. Idk though...
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#21959059 - 07/18/15 02:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Atreyu] 1
#21959080 - 07/18/15 02:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've given junkies and homeless people hits and bags of dope--never leave behind a sick junkie!
In fact, I am much more likely to give a homeless person money or drugs, if they are simply honest with me and say, "I'm really sick and withdrawing right now." I can empathize with that, and I'm much more likely to give them money rather than if they were to come up with some fake sob story or lie.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Crystal G]
#21959114 - 07/18/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was addicted to opiates and have gotten clean since. I don't like enabling other people using because I saw what it did to my life and believe that life is better without addiction. I would rather give them words of encouragement for going through withdrawals.
Maybe that's hokey, but I think giving them money so they can just delay the inevitable is a little short-sighted. It would make me feel better in the immediate moment, but the question of ethics would make me feel a little guilty later on.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Crystal G]
#21959126 - 07/18/15 02:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think it's wrong, because it's not your job to police another person's behavior or what they do with the money, once that money leaves your hand.
If you want to control what they do, then don't give money to people, there are plenty of other things you can give like food, coffee(dunno if it'll be appreciated, because I've seen a homeless dude throw a slice of pizza at a cop who bought it for him).
I have given some very obvious junkies dollars before. I don't know why...I've never been addicted or dopesick or anything, so it's not like I really know how bad it is, but I feel like it's better that someone is asking people for money than robbing people or stealing copper or whatever.
When I smoked I would usually decline to give money to people(unless they were homeless folks I came to know because they were always at one spot), but I gave them all the cigarettes they wanted. Is that morally right? Idk, but I never felt bad about it or like I was doing anything wrong.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: pirate-blues] 1
#21959187 - 07/18/15 03:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would have made her suck my dick first
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: my3rdeye] 2
#21959207 - 07/18/15 03:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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my3rdeye said: I would have made her suck my dick first
I don't know if you're joking, but if you aren't, that's pretty disgusting. You are preying and taking advantage of people who are in desperate situations. If you were being serious, then you're no better than those scumbags who created Bumfights. That is the one and only person on this earth who I would gladly put a bullet in his head, and even LEO's would probably give me high-fives while arresting me.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Crystal G]
#21959219 - 07/18/15 03:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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People need their fix I guess it shows you have some good empathy skills, and there is nothing wrong with that. It's the people who can not empathize with other humans and act like everyone beneath their station is not worth their time and money that are truly disgusting creatures.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: thewanderer25]
#21959231 - 07/18/15 04:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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There's nothing categorically wrong with it. Some people may take personal issue with the idea based on their world view, but it's a neutral action to hand someone something of yours to keep.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: thewanderer25] 1
#21959286 - 07/18/15 04:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think it's wrong to do, I don't often do it though.
Being dope sick is terrible, if she was an opiate addict that was WDing, then I'm sure she thanks you, being sick sucks, I can't even imagine being sick and living on the streets...
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: PLURAL]
#21959321 - 07/18/15 05:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes it is. Damn dude.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Crystal G]
#21959341 - 07/18/15 05:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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my3rdeye said: I would have made her suck my dick first
I don't know if you're joking, but if you aren't, that's pretty disgusting. You are preying and taking advantage of people who are in desperate situations. If you were being serious, then you're no better than those scumbags who created Bumfights. That is the one and only person on this earth who I would gladly put a bullet in his head, and even LEO's would probably give me high-fives while arresting me.
What is wrong with asking junkies to earn that 20? If I just give you money that is enabling. I don't care if you are addicted. Maybe you will stop and think during that 20 dollar blow job just low you sank, and it will help kick the habit. You need to hit rock bottom. Anyway I prefer chicks in the early stages of addiction before they get covered in sores and shit. I have crack at home just in case of that scenario, I don't even smoke it myself. Those bumfights guys fell off, the last one I saw was half fake shit. How can you even say those hobos are not better off now? Here is Rufus the stunt bum now:
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#21959342 - 07/18/15 05:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: my3rdeye] 1
#21959994 - 07/18/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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my3rdeye said: I would have made her suck my dick first
I don't know if you're joking, but if you aren't, that's pretty disgusting. You are preying and taking advantage of people who are in desperate situations. If you were being serious, then you're no better than those scumbags who created Bumfights. That is the one and only person on this earth who I would gladly put a bullet in his head, and even LEO's would probably give me high-fives while arresting me.
What is wrong with asking junkies to earn that 20? If I just give you money that is enabling. I don't care if you are addicted. Maybe you will stop and think during that 20 dollar blow job just low you sank, and it will help kick the habit. You need to hit rock bottom. Anyway I prefer chicks in the early stages of addiction before they get covered in sores and shit. I have crack at home just in case of that scenario, I don't even smoke it myself.
If I had asked im 100% sure she would have but its just wrong. Its no different than rape or extortion she is obviously not in her right mind and would do anything to make it stop. Is so bad to just help another person out because she is a human and we need to look out for one another? It may have been a temporary fix but I figured 20 is not enough to get a lot so maybe she would lean herself off. That was just my hope she probably is out there again sick as a dog.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: thewanderer25]
#21960017 - 07/18/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Duh. Of course she is.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: thewanderer25]
#21960090 - 07/18/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd love it if people would give me money to buy drugs.
Like
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#21960134 - 07/18/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm sure she is in the same boat again, at least you helped her feel better fo a few hours.
Like I said, I woudn't've done it, but there's nothing wrong with what you did, although you shouldn't fool yourself into thinking you somehow helped her get better, other than that you helped her put off dope-sickness for a few hours.
Which don't get me wrong, in the depths of my worse dope-sickness I'd go to some great lengths to postpone withdrawals, even just for a few hours, it can be hell, especially if you're on the streets, you did a good deed, it's not going to have a profound effect though.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Beanhead]
#21960168 - 07/18/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If she was a pothead I would have just laughed and been like can't you just waight. She was actually sick it wasn't just that she wanted to get high she literally needed to. I just felt bad I don't want anything to suffer whether its a person or an animal I would help you out if you were in literal pain.
Idk maybe i'm just to emphatic but when I saw her I just thought what if that was me so I gave her the 20. Im not a rich man in fact I make little money and that $20 was 3 hours of hard work for me. If it helped her it was worth it 100%. But it sickens me to think some of you guys would take advantage of her I mean what if she was your sister or mother how would you treat her. I dont get why people think of random strangers less than family why can't we all be like a family the world would be a great place. We should help people out for the simple fact that their a person not to get something or use somebody.
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#21960184 - 07/18/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm dopesick right now, will you please donate to my gofundme?
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: thewanderer25]
#21960202 - 07/18/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You wasted $20.
Also, why are you only making $20 for 3 hours of work?
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#21960207 - 07/18/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Man I don't have money like that. But I gave it to her because she obviously had nothing no car no house no computer. If you were there you would see why I felt she needed it. If I was millionaire or made more than minimum wage I probably would if you were legit. But sadly ive got 300 in the bank and need to pay for my apartment by the end of the month ($600) and I need to get food. Im struggling with cash as it is.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Ran-D]
#21960215 - 07/18/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: You wasted $20.
Also, why are you only making $20 for 3 hours of work?
I make roughly $6.50 an hour after taxes.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: thewanderer25]
#21960219 - 07/18/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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thewanderer25 said: she obviously had nothing no car no house no computer.
She also has no bills or responsibilities. The only thing she needs money for is some bullshit drug that is making her waste her existence on this earth.
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thewanderer25 said: But sadly ive got 300 in the bank and need to pay for my apartment by the end of the month ($600) and I need to get food. Im struggling with cash as it is.
And you do have bills and responsibilites, which is why you should use your hard earned money to take care of yourself.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: thewanderer25]
#21960240 - 07/18/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What state do you live in?
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: thewanderer25]
#21960247 - 07/18/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Damn, that's rough. I didn't realize there were jobs that still payed that little.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Ran-D]
#21960252 - 07/18/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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True I just felt bad plus I thought of karma I figured if I waste my money helping someone its not going to be negative for me.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Sheekle]
#21960253 - 07/18/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What state do you live in?
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: thewanderer25]
#21960256 - 07/18/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's not helping someone. If you want to use your money for something good go buy her kids some school supplies because I'm sure she never has.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: thewanderer25]
#21960267 - 07/18/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I get more money back when the tax return thing happens but im just estimating I get $6.50 an hour the minimum wage is $7.25 but they take taxes and stuff. Idk I just get my check once a year and its usually like $500 so thats a good deal of taxes. At least I get them back though.
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#21960277 - 07/18/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I make approximately $9-9.25 an hour after taxes 
Also, if I had the means, I'd help someone who was sick like that.
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#21960306 - 07/18/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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dont feel bad man you did a kind thing its deffintley not wrong when somebody's in such a dark place like how she was.
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#21960311 - 07/18/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You know...I ended up giving a dollar and change to a dude and his wife who came up to me said they were hungry. I got the vibe that they may have been looking for drug money - but..what if they really were just trying to feed themselves?
Is it worth it to deny someone who may really be looking for help just trying to afford food just to ensure that you won't help a junkie get their fix? I'd prefer taking the chance that my dollar bill contributed to a heroin purchase rather than denying someone in real need due to assumption alone.
Also, even if they look strung out, a large population of homeless people suffer from mental illness, particularly from disorders with psychosis - they could be sick, like fuck, people assume I'm stoned pretty frequently when I'm not at all. They could be someone who was legitimately injured who ended up addicted to heroin because the system essentially set them up for it - I'm not saying that you should fund someone's addiction because of that(nobody WANTS to end up addicted and constantly worried about being violently ill) but it's just something to consider. I'd rather give someone money and have them purchase heroin with it than not give money to someone who's just hungry or cold because I feel morally obligated to make their decisions about what they're going to do after I walk away and forget about them forever.
And schlong, when I was surviving on a shitty internship stipend in shitty house in north philly, having to decide between food, or toothpaste and subway tokens(at least 4 dollars a day/28 dollars a week/112dollars a month when I was making a little over four hundred fucking dollars a month and 250 went towards rent), and at that point I just told people who asked for money that I genuinely needed the change in my pocket for food. You have to draw the line and put yourself first at some point.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: shLong]
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Also, if I had the means, I'd help someone who was sick like that.
Well, we can't all be smart with our dough. Lucky her, there's a sucker born every minute.
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#21960326 - 07/18/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've been way down&out and never asked anyone for anything, especially not strangers. Let those weak fuckers figure out a way to EARN their own money.
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#21960343 - 07/18/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, what about the large population of homeless people that prefer to be homeless? Believe it or not some of them would rather ride around on their bikes all day doing drugs than having to worry about mortgages and car payments. Who can blame them? Nobody wants to be in the fucking rat race. If they want to collect cans and smoke crack then go right ahead, different strokes for different folks. I'm not going to feel sorry for them and give them money that I work for though.
Sure, some people need help and that's cool. But lots of them will lie and pretend to appreciate your help when in reality they view your kindness as weakness and they are taking advantage of it. I have dealt with and helped enough people like that in the past to realize this.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Matt87]
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When I was in Chicago some man dressed up in a business suit and a briefcase put on this enormous act to scrounge a few dollars from us and he seemed so legit but after my friends said he had needle marks in his hand, his face had some scar lookin things on it too.
Actually, the very first thing he said to us was "I am not a bum"
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: thewanderer25]
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: thewanderer25]
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Ran-D said: You wasted $20.
Also, why are you only making $20 for 3 hours of work?
I make roughly $6.50 an hour after taxes.
6.50 dollars?? wtf, thats like 3 quid here!! i was on £7 (10.90 dollars) in my old deadbeat retail job!
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Ran-D]
#21960365 - 07/18/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: Ok, what about the large population of homeless people that prefer to be homeless? Believe it or not some of them would rather ride around on their bikes all day doing drugs than having to worry about mortgages and car payments. Who can blame them? Nobody wants to be in the fucking rat race. If they want to collect cans and smoke crack then go right ahead, different strokes for different folks. I'm not going to feel sorry for them and give them money that I work for though.
Sure, some people need help and that's cool. But lots of them will lie and pretend to appreciate your help when in reality they view your kindness as weakness and they are taking advantage of it. I have dealt with and helped enough people in the past to realize this.
A disproportionate amount of homeless people are veterans or sufferers of mental illness, commonly schizophrenia. They're people, they differ from individual to individual, and while some may choose to continue the lifestyle because they have gotten acclimated to it, so many people are susceptible to slipping through the cracks and they don't have a safety net to pull them back or the necessary capabilities to go through the process of figuring out what kind of aid they can get from the government.
I had a homeless dude in my old neighborhood named chubz(he was built like a beanpole) who was very friendly and who my roommates and I paid to help tune up our bikes. If he saw some shady shit or knew that the person who stole my roommates bike lived down the street, he'd let us know. good guy.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: daz01]
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The united states is filled with greedy capitalists. Im guessing your from europe their chill down their free healthcare and everything.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: thewanderer25]
#21960383 - 07/18/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just buy them a sandwich or a coffee or give food or warm gloves or whatever they need rather then money
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: pirate-blues]
#21960390 - 07/18/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: A disproportionate amount of homeless people are veterans or sufferers of mental illness, commonly schizophrenia.
Yea that's cool I've read stuff on websites too.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Ran-D]
#21960428 - 07/18/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've lived in houses where I'd walk out every wednesday morning and there'd be a dozen homeless men laying on and around my stoop waiting for the church across the street to open up so they could get meals. I've walked past homeless who were laying dead and shot to death in subway concourses(cops were already there, they couldn't shut down the entire subway though so people had to walk past). I've seen elderly people on the streets who had obviously had dementia and could not retain memories, even shorter-term stuff.
I haven't just read about this stuff, I've seen it.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: thewanderer25]
#21960464 - 07/18/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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thewanderer25 said: The united states is filled with greedy capitalists. Im guessing your from europe their chill down their free healthcare and everything.
no, I'm most definitely American. And dude, I'd be totally cool with free healthcare, especially given the fact that the american government spends more per capita on healthcare than Canada or the UK. And especially because even if you have insurance, you could find yourself bankrupted by illness. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/22/1240522/-Health-care-in-America-is-funded-by-the-government-to-a-greater-extent-than-in-Canada
let me guess, you haven't had to go without insurance due to extenuating situations - like the fact that many people who work in retail are only hired part time(exception is the managers) and therefore do not qualify for benefits?
And no, I'm not talking about the atrocity that is obama care/the affordable care act.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Matt87]
#21960473 - 07/18/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also, if I had the means, I'd help someone who was sick like that.
Well, we can't all be smart with our dough. Lucky her, there's a sucker born every minute.
Lucky who? And who are you saying is smart with their dough?
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: pirate-blues]
#21960477 - 07/18/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ya I don't mean the people of america just the ones in charge. I love the people its the politicians and policies that piss me off.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Ran-D]
#21960490 - 07/18/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yea that's cool I've read stuff on websites too.
Not trying to be a dick, but nobody is saying you need to give up your money to them. If you don't wanna, cool, but I wouldn't be looking down your nose at the folks who do give to them.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: shLong]
#21960495 - 07/18/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I forgot we're not allowed to disagree with people on the Shroomery, sorry.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Ran-D]
#21960551 - 07/18/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am more than willing to agree to disagree. I was correcting you on your assumption that no actual life experience has factored into my stance on this. Have you lived in areas with high homeless populations and high crime rate? It's not pleasant by any means, but when you interact with these people on the daily, you start realizing that they're human and they vary just as much as anyone else. There are a lot of shady assholes on the street, but most are people who would give anything for a job that could pay for housing(And no, not all homeless are unemployed, it's not uncommon for them to work minimum wage jobs, by a cheap gym membership to shower, and still live on the street), a huge portion are people who are simply not able to take care of themselves due to serious trauma and resulting ptsd, and mental illness of some kind.
I've been robbed at gun point in an area that was blocks from an ivy league university that still suffered some significant issues with crime, and have been a bystander to numerous violent crimes, two of which resulted to fatalities via gunshot wound(not the same instance as the dead homeless dude in subway, that was just the aftermath of another incident). I cannot begin to imagine what some of these people experience or see, I can tell you as a result of my own experiences, it can emotionally wreck you even further.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: pirate-blues]
#21960575 - 07/18/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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PB didn't you say you lived in PA?
You should move if you're still there, I went to Philly once and it seemed to be pretty full of crazy retards. You shouldn't be subjected to a land where you walk outside and have to brush the dead hobos off your lawn before you water the flowers in the morning.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: PLURAL]
#21960593 - 07/18/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Waiting for Obama to pass the No Junkie Left Behind Act.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: PLURAL]
#21960605 - 07/18/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, philly. philly is totally full of crazy retards, but I really dig it. There is a culture here that is very present and wonderful, the food, the music scene, the hustle and bustle. It's gritty, but it is the second largest city on the east coast, and I think that it's kind of beautiful in it's own retarded way. It's really come up in the last ten years, and it does have a lot to offer.
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Treant said: PA blows.
nah, only like 70% of it blows. Eastern pa, particular central/southeastern pa is really nice and usually quite wealthy. Pittsburgh is cooler than you'd think. The rest of it is filled with hillbillies, depressing coal mining towns, and the occasional weird artsy enclave of a town(usually any small town with a college in it is quite nice) smack dab in the middle of pennsyltucky.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Adden]
#21960618 - 07/18/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I must say though, I worked with a guy (he didn't last long) who would show up to work sick more often than not. Since he was in training and under my wing, my pay relied on our performance for jobs. I'd give him enough oxy 30's to get through 8 hours, but it was all for like *maybe* 10 days until he got arrested for violating probation with a firearm, drugs and failed piss test. There's no saving some people. I'd never give a heroin addict money, though.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: pirate-blues]
#21960620 - 07/18/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah PA rocks, especially philly. Sucks for those that can't handle it. You ready for the pope? The whole world meeting of families thing is throwing a giant monkey wrench into things. Gonna be a pain in the ass that week.
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Yeah, NW PA is where I'm getting my data from.
I live like 5 minutes away from PA, it's not awesome here, but as soon I go over that border shit seems to go downhill for some reason.
Also, your gas and cigarette prices are garbage.
Driving/parking in Philly sucks, that's my main complaint with Philly...
Y U guys no have driveways?
Got 50 cars parked on the side of a road with a 60 degree incline, just begging for something bad to happen.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: pirate-blues]
#21960651 - 07/18/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: I was correcting you on your assumption that no actual life experience has factored into my stance on this.
I was just saying the line about homeless people all being mentally-ill vets was some recycled bullshit. I don't doubt you have experience with homeless people, everybody does, it's life. But I think we both know you didn't come up with that on your own.
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I live 2 blocks from the salvation army, and I have an alley behind my house, I definitely deal with these people every day. I've been thinking about recording some of the crazy shit I see around here.
I have people very close to me who are homeless and very close friends who have homeless family members. I don't like watching a father lie to his daughter just so he can take advantage of her love for him, that shit is fucked on every single level. And no I will not elaborate on this.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: shLong]
#21960689 - 07/18/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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shLong said: I make approximately $9-9.25 an hour after taxes 
Also, if I had the means, I'd help someone who was sick like that.
Well, we can't all be smart with our dough. Lucky her, there's a sucker born every minute.
Lucky who? And who are you saying is smart with their dough?
The lady who copped 20 bucks off the opening poster.
Not people that give their money to junkie strangers.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Dark_Star]
#21960703 - 07/18/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: Yeah PA rocks, especially philly. Sucks for those that can't handle it. You ready for the pope? The whole world meeting of families thing is throwing a giant monkey wrench into things. Gonna be a pain in the ass that week.
fuck dude i forgot about that. it'll be like the 4th of july on steroids when it comes to getting ANYWHERE in a reasonable amount of time. I'll be out of state for most of september starting the 12th, so I'm not sure if I'll miss it or not.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Ran-D]
#21960750 - 07/18/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: I forgot we're not allowed to disagree with people on the Shroomery, sorry.
C'mon, bro.. It ain't like that. I'm just saying, you're entitled to not give them anything, but others may if they're wanting to. That doesn't make them dumb or foolish or whatever. Ya know?
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: shLong]
#21960768 - 07/18/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think it's good to enable people in self-destructive behaviors. I don't give money to people that are clearly just looking for consumables, i do offer to give them food and drink though.
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#21960774 - 07/18/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think anyone is entitled to have any opinion on how someone spends their money, who they vote for, how many guns they have, what gender or race they subscribe to, or any of this other controversial shit that's been posted lately.
If someone wanted to throw a 5 grand stack of 100s at a junkie, great, no sweat off my back.
Not aimed at anyone just putting this out there.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Crystal G]
#21960837 - 07/18/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: I've given junkies and homeless people hits and bags of dope--never leave behind a sick junkie!
In fact, I am much more likely to give a homeless person money or drugs, if they are simply honest with me and say, "I'm really sick and withdrawing right now." I can empathize with that, and I'm much more likely to give them money rather than if they were to come up with some fake sob story or lie.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: pirate-blues]
#21960840 - 07/18/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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godddamn right it is
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: shLong]
#21960943 - 07/18/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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C'mon, bro.. It ain't like that. I'm just saying, you're entitled to not give them anything, but others may if they're wanting to. That doesn't make them dumb or foolish or whatever. Ya know?
Who am I making look dumb or foolish? The title of this thread is a question, "Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money?" So obviously OP was looking for peoples opinions on the subject.
I'm confused.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: Ran-D]
#21960955 - 07/18/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sorry, bud.. I think I read too far in to one of your posts or had you confused with someone else. We're good.. Chalk it up to my mistake and not being able to convey tone thru text.
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Re: Is It Wrong To Give Junkies Money? [Re: shLong]
#21961075 - 07/18/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whomever figures out how to differentiate tone via text is going to be a multi-millionaire.
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