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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: Psychonautica]
#21969469 - 07/20/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've got $10 on the carrot but it has to be a video. Otherwise, there's no way of knowing if they just cut a couple inches off said carrot to make it look like it is in there.
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: Psychonautica]
#21969471 - 07/20/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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She said she was a student, with a student loan. Plus it doesn't sound like they had more than personal amount of drugs. Just some wax and some acid. Never said how much acid though, so you never know.
But I agree, most public defenders are gonna be good, or at least okay. But there are some that aren't the best. But it takes a lot to pass the bar for being a lawyer.
But for getting the charges how she wants, she's gonna have to pay a lawyer. I doubt she will get her charges dropped completely from her with a public defender.
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: Achillita]
#21969482 - 07/20/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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She's not going to get them dropped at all. Look at all the circumstances. It was her car, wrapped in her underwear.
That's like if you and I are hanging out, you're holding a gun, there's a man bleeding from a sucking chest wound in front of us, and I tell the cops I did it thinking you'll get off the hook.
Now we're both fucked because I'm an idiot.
This is why you shouldn't talk to cops. Even a simple question of who's is it. Your lawyer would have known what to do, but at this point he's already told the cops too much which is very clear by the story. She's not going to get the charges dropped unless you hire Cochran or something. A 15k lawyer can't even do that. It's gonna take a whole lot more than that to get someone to walk in an open and shut case like this.
I know it sounds like I'm being a dick, but it seriously seems like a huge waste of money to me. Start a go fund me to put your life back together after the fact so I know my money isn't getting wasted and maybe I'll donate.
Theres no way anyone is walking from this situation and case so I might as well go blow my money at a strip club and at least get some titties in my face for it.
I'm not even sure the best lawyer in the world can do anything. It was wrapped up in her shit, in her car, the only person I can see walking is the guy and he already fucked himself over by taking the blame.
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: PLURAL] 3
#21969535 - 07/20/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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OH SHIT! TRENT JUST GOT HERE! CARROT CANAL TIME!
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: Matt87]
#21969581 - 07/20/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Matt87 said: I was re-reading and I still stand by what I said.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Mix that little bit of knowledge with a steadfast belief in one's own accuracy, and it becomes very dangerous.
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: Achillita] 1
#21969670 - 07/20/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Achillita said: If they don't have a viable reason, they can't search you or your car.
This, my friend, is a myth. Many States, including mine, have something called Implied Consent. By accepting a driver's license, you pre-consent to a vehicle search. Your consent at the time of the actual search is not needed, and the charges absolutely will hold up in court.
Another interesting concept is one cops know well - "Evidence of a crime equals probable cause." What that means is, that you have to try to convince a jury that a cop who says he smelled pot (but didn't) was lying, even though a search turned up pot.
You be like "Well, yeah, I did have pot on me, but that doesn't count because the cop couldn't really smell it he was lying." Good luck with that.
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: Srirachi] 2
#21969693 - 07/20/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Srirachi said:
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Achillita said: If they don't have a viable reason, they can't search you or your car.
This, my friend, is a myth. Many States, including mine, have something called Implied Consent. By accepting a driver's license, you pre-consent to a vehicle search. Your consent at the time of the actual search is not needed, and the charges absolutely will hold up in court.
This isn't true in any state. I think you're confusing implied consent vis a vis breathalyzer with the 4th amendment.
Cops can search the passenger compartment of a vehicle if they have reasonable suspicion that a weapon might be present. They can search the entirety of the vehicle if they have probable cause.
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Another interesting concept is one cops know well - "Evidence of a crime equals probable cause." What that means is, that you have to try to convince a jury that a cop who says he smelled pot (but didn't) was lying, even though a search turned up pot.
Also a misunderstanding of the law. Juries don't decide whether or not a search is valid. That is something that a judge decides at a motion to suppress. By the time a jury sees the evidence, it's too late to challenge the validity of the search.
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: Enlil]
#21969738 - 07/20/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil any word if it's legal to record and sell very hardcore homosexual pornography in New York State?
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: SteveRogers]
#21969755 - 07/20/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If it's obscene, it's not legal. If it's not obscene, it's protected by the First Amendment.
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: Enlil]
#21969760 - 07/20/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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.....and what qualifies as obscene? Does his anus need to bleed? Is there a limit to the depth the Carrot can be inserted? Wheres the line here?
For that matter. Why can't they shoot porn movies in New York? That's been a point of contention on the East Coast for years right?
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: SteveRogers]
#21969781 - 07/20/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Obscene is defined as any material that:
1. The average person, applying contemporary community standards would find, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
2. Depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and
3. Taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: Enlil]
#21969784 - 07/20/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well shit. Then I am on some very thin Ice with my proposal to her boyfriend. This could get messy.
I like it.
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: Enlil]
#21969813 - 07/20/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're right, I was confusing implied consent with probable cause, but the 4th Amendment doesn't apply in vehicle searches. So to reiterate, you have no right to privacy in a motor vehicle. A cop may merely say he smelled pot, which produces probable cause for a warrantless search...
... which produces drugs, which isn't suppressed because it was a legal search unless you can prove what the cop did or didn't smell, which means you're left telling a jury that the cop was lying.
So with those corrections Enlil what's your take on this assertion - that you're fucked if you're in a car?
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: Srirachi] 2
#21969834 - 07/20/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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How about we all STFU until OP posts again?
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: Srirachi]
#21969838 - 07/20/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Srirachi said: but the 4th Amendment doesn't apply in vehicle searches. So to reiterate, you have no right to privacy in a motor vehicle. A cop may merely say he smelled pot, which produces probable cause for a warrantless search...
Wrong again. The 4th amendment does apply in vehicle searches. You seem to admit this by referring to probable cause.
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... which produces drugs, which isn't suppressed because it was a legal search unless you can prove what the cop did or didn't smell, which means you're left telling a jury that the cop was lying.
So with those corrections Enlil what's your take on this assertion - that you're fucked if you're in a car?
Oh, you're fucked if you're in a car...no question about it. The chances of getting evidence suppressed is very low at the trial level. This means that you usually have to get convicted to appeal that decision, which means risking even more time for a small chance of an overturn.
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: Ran-D]
#21969839 - 07/20/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: How about we all STFU until OP posts again?
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: Achillita]
#21969873 - 07/20/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Achillita said: And the police are legally required to read the miranda rights, otherwise your arrest can be diminished or thrown out the window, though it is depending on the charge. Cops can also get in trouble for not reading your rights.
No they're not.
That's TV shit.
I've been arrested a few times, in different states, they never read you your rights. They give them to you on a piece of paper that you sign after you're already in jail, but before you're questioned or go to court.
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: Srirachi]
#21969874 - 07/20/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Srirachi said: You're right, I was confusing implied consent with probable cause, but the 4th Amendment doesn't apply in vehicle searches. So to reiterate, you have no right to privacy in a motor vehicle. A cop may merely say he smelled pot, which produces probable cause for a warrantless search...
... which produces drugs, which isn't suppressed because it was a legal search unless you can prove what the cop did or didn't smell, which means you're left telling a jury that the cop was lying.
I've had a cop say he smelled weed, I called him a liar. I never transport drugs in my car. if he were to search the only thing he'd find is the shit in his pocket
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy] 1
#21969886 - 07/20/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quiet, you. You're a sicko who is trying to get a young lady and her boyfriend to stick things in their ass for money, and I'm trying to refine my simplistic use of language to something even a lawyer can understand.
Enlil, what I mean by "does not apply" is that it offers no protection here. Of course the Constitution offers uniform protection to all citizens at all times and may not be suspended in certain situations. However, the existence of probable cause means the search is not unreasonable, hence, protection from the search is not applicable under the 4th Amendment.
The mention of probable cause is precisely why the 4th Amendment protection does not apply. I should have said protection to be more clear.
So while my original statement was rife with inaccuracies borne of not being a lawyer, you're fucked in a car, and no amount of wanting it to be different will help.
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Re: Help me pay for a lawyer and I will love you long time [Re: PLURAL]
#21969902 - 07/20/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Achillita said: And the police are legally required to read the miranda rights, otherwise your arrest can be diminished or thrown out the window, though it is depending on the charge. Cops can also get in trouble for not reading your rights.
No they're not.
That's TV shit.
I've been arrested a few times, in different states, they never read you your rights.
Well then I guess you fucked up by not calling them out on it, huh?
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