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Can you help me say what I want to say?
#21956923 - 07/17/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hello. A few days ago, one poster posted something in a thread in this forum, it was a thread about the white guy that went and shot up a black church. It went something like this: "only an idiot would do something as crazy as shooting up a church over the levels of melanin in someone's skin". Paraphrased as I am too lazy to find the original quote.
I wish to counter this, but I feel that my argument can use some help. Let me get to it and I will bold as well italicize the part I most need help with:
Calling someone stupid for doing something over the levels of melanin in someone's skin is like asking people not to have tender feelings for new-born infants. After all, it's only different bone structure and fat distribution, right? But I am pretty sure if you go out and tell parents not to love their infant/s, you will either get laughed out of the room, or be regarded as a psychopath, or probably both. Another example. Your behavoir's akin to telling patients suffering from seasonal affective disorder that they should just toughen up, after all, sunny days are just air filled with photons. And you WOULD be right, but these patients still will not be able to lift themselves out of their inky moonds, and you again will be regarded as an uncaring person. One final example, take a guy who has strong preference for blonds. If you were to march up to him and demand that he love brunnetts as much as blonds, since it's only the different levels of melanin present in their hair, again, you would be laughed at.
So, I hope my three examples illustrate my point, which is that just because you can conceptualize something, it does not mean that thing will no longer have an impact on how people feel/experience it.
I bolded and italicize the part where I feel that I need help with the most. Thanks.
Edited by WAN (07/17/15 04:43 PM)
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Re: Can you help me say what I want to say? [Re: WAN] 1
#21956940 - 07/17/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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All your examples are terrible. You should probably go back to the drawing board, chief.
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Calling someone stupid for doing something over the levels of melanin in someone's skin is like asking people not to have tender feelings for new-born infants. After all, it's only different bone structure and fat distribution, right?

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Another example. Your behavoir's akin to telling patients suffering from seasonal affective disorder that they should just toughen up, after all, sunny days are just air filled with photons. And you WOULD be right, but these patients still will not be able to lift themselves out of their inky moonds, and you again will be regarded as an uncaring person.
Why are you comparing racism to seasonal affective disorder? They arent analogous whatsoever.
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One final example, take a guy who has strong preference for blonds. If you were to march up to him and demand that he love brunnetts as much as blonds, since it's only the different levels of melanin present in their hair, again, you would be laughed at.
Another laughable comparison. Just because he prefers blondes doesn't mean he outright hates burnettes.
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Re: Can you help me say what I want to say? [Re: WAN]
#21956954 - 07/17/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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None of your examples have anything to do with murder though.
Would it be ok for the dude who prefers brunettes over blondes or which ever way you put it, to go around murdering women withe opposing hair color?
Also i think people take a liking to infants not only because they have different fat distribution and bone structures, but because of other scientific reasons (i am speculating) that probably have to do with motherhood, the child being part of you or having been created by you....etc..
I don't know.. I am just rambling. I don't think i have the capability to articulate your point of view any better than you can. You seem well educated in the way you write and what not. So sorry for that.
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Re: Can you help me say what I want to say? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21956966 - 07/17/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: All your examples are terrible. You should probably go back to the drawing board, chief.
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Calling someone stupid for doing something over the levels of melanin in someone's skin is like asking people not to have tender feelings for new-born infants. After all, it's only different bone structure and fat distribution, right?

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Another example. Your behavoir's akin to telling patients suffering from seasonal affective disorder that they should just toughen up, after all, sunny days are just air filled with photons. And you WOULD be right, but these patients still will not be able to lift themselves out of their inky moonds, and you again will be regarded as an uncaring person.
Why are you comparing racism to seasonal affective disorder? They arent analogous whatsoever.
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One final example, take a guy who has strong preference for blonds. If you were to march up to him and demand that he love brunnetts as much as blonds, since it's only the different levels of melanin present in their hair, again, you would be laughed at.
Another laughable comparison. Just because he prefers blondes doesn't mean he outright hates burnettes.
Yeah. I agree. OP kind of sounds ridiculous and none of the examples even slightly pertain to thr original quote he was relating them to
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Re: Can you help me say what I want to say? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21957002 - 07/17/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: All your examples are terrible. You should probably go back to the drawing board, chief.
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Calling someone stupid for doing something over the levels of melanin in someone's skin is like asking people not to have tender feelings for new-born infants. After all, it's only different bone structure and fat distribution, right?

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Another example. Your behavoir's akin to telling patients suffering from seasonal affective disorder that they should just toughen up, after all, sunny days are just air filled with photons. And you WOULD be right, but these patients still will not be able to lift themselves out of their inky moonds, and you again will be regarded as an uncaring person.
Why are you comparing racism to seasonal affective disorder? They arent analogous whatsoever.
I wasn't comparing racism to seasonabl affective disorder. I was using the SAD thing to illustrate that just because he can conceptualize it (as in, sunny days are just air filled with photons), it does not diminish the feeling that patients get when they have all gloomy, cloudy day. This is akin to him saying that to do something stupid over the different levels of melanin is dumb. Just because he can conceptualize it (as in, he said it's just a different level of melanin in someone's skin), it does not change the fact when people look upon two people with different skin tones (say one black, one white), they are filled with very different kinds of emotions.
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One final example, take a guy who has strong preference for blonds. If you were to march up to him and demand that he love brunnetts as much as blonds, since it's only the different levels of melanin present in their hair, again, you would be laughed at.
Another laughable comparison. Just because he prefers blondes doesn't mean he outright hates burnettes.
I never said this man now hates all brunettes. I am saying that a man won't stop having strong attraction for blonds, just because someone can conceptualize the different as "merely different levels of melanin in someone's hair". When he looks upon a blond woman, his mind is going to be filled with strong emotions that brunnette women will be unable to evoke. And just because someone says, "it's only a difference in the melanin content of someone's hair", he will be right, but this man won't stop loving blonds. This is what I meant.
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Re: Can you help me say what I want to say? [Re: MommaSmurf]
#21957032 - 07/17/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah its always obvious when people haven't taken a course in logic, debate etc. OP seems moderately intelligent but he definitely dropped the ball on that one
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Re: Can you help me say what I want to say? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21957058 - 07/17/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: Yeah its always obvious when people haven't taken a course in logic, debate etc. OP seems moderately intelligent but he definitely dropped the ball on that one
Explain how I goofed.
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Re: Can you help me say what I want to say? [Re: WAN]
#21957108 - 07/17/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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To be totally honest im not exactly clear on all the points you're trying to make. You keep saying x behavior is akin to y, and im assuming y is
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Calling someone stupid for doing something over the levels of melanin in someone's skin is
This is racism and also your original premise
And then when I ask you why you're comparing racism to SAD and romantic preference you say you aren't doing that so...
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Re: Can you help me say what I want to say? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21958381 - 07/17/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: To be totally honest im not totally clear on all the points you're trying to make. You keep saying x behavior is akin to y, and im assuming y is
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Calling someone stupid for doing something over the levels of melanin in someone's skin is
This is racism and also your original premise
And then why I ask you why you're comparing racism to SAD and romantic preference you say you aren't doing that so...

This.
I lol'd at the gif. That's exactly how i felt reading his first reply to u. I figured u would throw in the towel on this one.
The lol wut lima bean would've been enough. Shit makes no sense
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Re: Can you help me say what I want to say? [Re: MommaSmurf]
#21958423 - 07/17/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah it just wasn't well thought out. Hopefully OP comes back around and explains what he/she means. I think OP is a girl, but I can't really remember.
Also mommasmurf, im glad we're finally getting along. Now take back what you said about my horse face
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Re: Can you help me say what I want to say? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21958928 - 07/18/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think u may have some things to take back too. Pm me and we can work something out.
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Re: Can you help me say what I want to say? [Re: WAN]
#21959189 - 07/18/15 03:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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WAN said: just because you can conceptualize something, it does not mean that thing will no longer have an impact on how people feel/experience it.
there you go WAN. this sentence alone makes your point, without personalizing the argument and thereby without evoking an automatic emotional response. Save the examples for after someone disputes your claim, the debate is more fun that way. BTW, even if what you are saying is true, that is still no justification for murdering people based on skin color, but you already knew that.
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