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Aureus
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Does size matter??? heh heh
#21956385 - 07/17/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can't remember which post it was or who said it but someone said that when it comes to crumbling a cake for a bulk, smaller is better...they suggested using a cheese grater to crumble the cakes... opinions?
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Aureus] 1
#21956399 - 07/17/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just put it in your hands and crumble it to the size of a pea or so. A cheese grater is a bit excessive if you ask me but I guess to each their own.
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The more you crush and beat on it the longer it will take to recover but once it does it will have tins of surface area to spread. Some people even blend mycelium into a slurry for this reason.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: OPB]
#21956508 - 07/17/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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OPB said: Some people even blend mycelium into a slurry for this reason.
You're talking about something completely different. You're talking about liquid inoculant.
OP, you would look like a damn fool using a cheese grater. Who the hell even came up with that? Breaking up spawn with your hands is what everyone does. If you have the strength to open a gallon of milk, you should be fine crumbling up some spawn
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Al Bundy] 1
#21956516 - 07/17/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Umm cheese graters work great, cron used them when he spawned cakes. Also spawning with slurry to bulk works good. Eat did it lots and even slurried grains, though slurried grains in open air was a lot riskier. Get the cakes as small as possible for a faster spawn run.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Aureus] 1
#21956520 - 07/17/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Aureus said: I can't remember which post it was or who said it but someone said that when it comes to crumbling a cake for a bulk, smaller is better...they suggested using a cheese grater to crumble the cakes... opinions?
yes a cheese grater is the best way to spread out the inoc points. dont dunk your cake before grating it, it only makes the job harder.
you could slurry it too, just add some water and the cakes in a blender you've somewhat cleaned out and mix the slurry into bulk sub.
my tip, cakes are already 2/3's verm so I wouldn't use more than 1qt verm pr brick of coir. this makes ca 8 qt's substrate.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Al Bundy]
#21956823 - 07/17/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Al Bundy said:
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OPB said: Some people even blend mycelium into a slurry for this reason.
You're talking about something completely different. You're talking about liquid inoculant.
OP, you would look like a damn fool using a cheese grater. Who the hell even came up with that? Breaking up spawn with your hands is what everyone does. If you have the strength to open a gallon of milk, you should be fine crumbling up some spawn
Ok dude with 76 posts. You seem like a trusted cultivator.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Aureus]
#21956921 - 07/17/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah man. Pretty sure everyone uses a cheese grater these days lol or a blender for slurrys. If I did cakes I would use a grater, but grains are just easier.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Mad Season] 1
#21956948 - 07/17/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm surprised anyone still owns a cheese grater in this age of pre-grated cheese
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Kizzle] 2
#21957001 - 07/17/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I still make my own grated cheese
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Kizzle]
#21957147 - 07/17/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol don't they sell whole cheese in your country? Cheese graters are never going to become old, as well as spoons, forks, knifes and many other helpful domestic items.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Kizzle] 1
#21957198 - 07/17/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: I'm surprised anyone still owns a cheese grater in this age of pre-grated cheese 
The fuck? lol I have like 3 different cheese graters..
And cheese graters are best because it makes many inoculation points while leaving healthy undisturbed mycelium in every grated piece. Crumbling cakes leaves bigger pieces and often they are disturbed by pressure, from being squeezed hard enough to crumble.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Kizzle]
#21957317 - 07/17/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: I'm surprised anyone still owns a cheese grater in this age of pre-grated cheese 
Yeah that shit kinda sucks for melting though, its coated with anti-clumping additives.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: CMOSS]
#21957545 - 07/17/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I bought a cheese grater just for this hobby...used it 3 times...switched to WBS...lol It worked great BTW...much easier than beating up the poor mycelium in a ziplock
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Aureus]
#21957566 - 07/17/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Aureus said:
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Al Bundy said:
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OPB said: Some people even blend mycelium into a slurry for this reason.
You're talking about something completely different. You're talking about liquid inoculant.
OP, you would look like a damn fool using a cheese grater. Who the hell even came up with that? Breaking up spawn with your hands is what everyone does. If you have the strength to open a gallon of milk, you should be fine crumbling up some spawn
Ok dude with 76 posts. You seem like a trusted cultivator.
Someone with 18 posts saying that....
I went back and I misunderstood the OP. I thought we were talking about grain here. Does anyone use a cheese grater to break up grain?? If so, I've never even heard of that before.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Buck513]
#21958285 - 07/17/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im in a similiar situation, im never gunna fuck with pf tek, grain is obviously superior.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Mi-Go]
#21958516 - 07/17/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mi-Go said: Im in a similiar situation, im never gunna fuck with pf tek, grain is obviously superior.
Pf tek is easier than grains and can also be used as spawn with results as good as you would have with grains.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14995972/fpart/all/vc/1
Edited by Aureus (07/17/15 10:46 PM)
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Aureus] 1
#21958528 - 07/17/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I never did pf tek. Just read for hours everyday for weeks.
Went straight to 2 monos
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Buck513]
#21958557 - 07/17/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Me too man started with wbs. However I did it because I was like dafuqs brf? I knew what bird seed was so I did that. Later when it was almost done I figured out it was spawn for a tub, so I spawned it to a mini mono of horse manure I found in the field. Pasteurized with the god damn stupid af pillow case tek. I have no idea how I got my first fruits and trip from it..
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Mad Season]
#21958624 - 07/17/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Me too man started with wbs. However I did it because I was like dafuqs brf? I knew what bird seed was so I did that. Later when it was almost done I figured out it was spawn for a tub, so I spawned it to a mini mono of horse manure I found in the field. Pasteurized with the god damn stupid af pillow case tek. I have no idea how I got my first fruits and trip from it..
You shouldn't trip on shrooms, they're bad for your mind
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Aureus]
#21958647 - 07/17/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Aureus said:
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Mi-Go said: Im in a similiar situation, im never gunna fuck with pf tek, grain is obviously superior.
Pf tek is easier than grains and can also be used as spawn with results as good as you would have with grains.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14995972/fpart/all/vc/1
True, im doing that now actually because i didnt have much luck with the cakes in the sgfc so spawning it to bulk seems more ideal. i will always remember my first flush from pf tek, some lipa thai yais. i tripped balls in school and gave everyone free mushies in class. everybody was laughing lol
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Mi-Go]
#21958686 - 07/17/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mi-Go said:
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Aureus said:
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Mi-Go said: Im in a similiar situation, im never gunna fuck with pf tek, grain is obviously superior.
Pf tek is easier than grains and can also be used as spawn with results as good as you would have with grains.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14995972/fpart/all/vc/1
True, im doing that now actually because i didnt have much luck with the cakes in the sgfc so spawning it to bulk seems more ideal. i will always remember my first flush from pf tek, some lipa thai yais. i tripped balls in school and gave everyone free mushies in class. everybody was laughing lol 
Lol, it must have been great, but i wouldn't keep sharing it with people, I know about a guy who got in a lot of trouble for sharing shrooms with his girlfriend after her parents found out.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Aureus]
#21958718 - 07/17/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thats just silly..
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Aureus]
#21959569 - 07/18/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Aureus said: Pf tek is easier than grains
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Juiceh]
#21959576 - 07/18/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Seriously though lol. Grains are way easier. No verm needed. No exact measurements of water either. You just hydrate the grain, drain it, drop a wedge in and shake when needed. Colonizes way quicker too and you can do massive jars and bags compared to the tiny 1/2 pints/pints.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Mad Season]
#21959600 - 07/18/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Seriously though lol. Grains are way easier. No verm needed. No exact measurements of water either.
Yup! No verm needed, but if you are in a rush and don't have time to let the grains properly drain\steam dry you can toss a spoonful of verm(or dry spent coffee grounds) into a grain jar to fix that.
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Mad Season said: You just hydrate the grain, drain it, drop a wedge in and shake when needed.
I'm sure you meant to include sterilize before the wedge drop.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Juiceh]
#21959614 - 07/18/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes I meant after sterilization haha
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Mad Season]
#21959949 - 07/18/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Seriously though lol. Grains are way easier. No verm needed. No exact measurements of water either. You just hydrate the grain, drain it, drop a wedge in and shake when needed. Colonizes way quicker too and you can do massive jars and bags compared to the tiny 1/2 pints/pints.
I've never tried grains though. Is it possible to make grains using only polyfill in the lids?
Edited by Aureus (07/18/15 10:53 AM)
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Aureus] 1
#21960076 - 07/18/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Aureus said:
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Mad Season said: Seriously though lol. Grains are way easier. No verm needed. No exact measurements of water either. You just hydrate the grain, drain it, drop a wedge in and shake when needed. Colonizes way quicker too and you can do massive jars and bags compared to the tiny 1/2 pints/pints.
I've never tried grains though. Is it possible to make grains using only polyfill in the lids?
You wont know until you try it man, it is indeed superior, no doubt. I got nearly 2lb fresh from only 2 quarts, and im sure others have had waay more luck too. Give it a try you will not go back to pf tek. Shit sucks to me now imo. i used the pf cakes as spawn hopefully i have a similiar flush
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Aureus] 1
#21960079 - 07/18/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes poly works. Not ideal, but if it's stuffed tight af, and you don't gouge it with a needle trying to inoculate through it, you'll be good . I like to open the lid and inoculate.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Mad Season] 1
#21960100 - 07/18/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've used poly filters for pasty plates without seeing a single contam on stored, uninoculated plates that are sitting out in the open in my dirty living room for weeks.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: spacechildo]
#21960563 - 07/18/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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As someone who has always used my hands to crumble cakes, I would recommend getting a cheese grater. should be make things wicked easier.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: wolf fish]
#21961882 - 07/18/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I used a sandwhich bag with a hammer to break it up in the bag then crumbled it with my hands, is that a bad method? I didnt use my cheese grater lol.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Mi-Go]
#21961954 - 07/18/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The only problem with the PF tek is the ridiculously small amounts of substrate you're making. I think grain spawn would be just tedious if you had to make it all in half-pint jars and they were only filled a 1/3 of the way. That verm is a waste of PC space.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Kizzle]
#21962288 - 07/18/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the mushroom only digests the surface of the grain and avoids the center. Wouldn't it be a much better use of the grain if you turned it into powder and mixed it with verm?
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Aureus]
#21962319 - 07/18/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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grow some and watch how much the substrate shrinks and tell me they only eat the outside.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: bodhisatta]
#21962629 - 07/18/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow, I feel like I'm reading a thread from the 90's
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according to my gf size doesn't matter
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Greenmaniac]
#21963488 - 07/19/15 04:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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She's just trying to boost your self esteem.
She secretly laughs behind your back about your small dick all the time.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: bodhisatta]
#21966256 - 07/19/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: grow some and watch how much the substrate shrinks and tell me they only eat the outside.
How many times more product could get from a half pint full of grains compared to a half pint full of rice flour and verm?
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Aureus] 1
#21966301 - 07/19/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: grow some and watch how much the substrate shrinks and tell me they only eat the outside.
How many times more product could get from a half pint full of grains compared to a half pint full of rice flour and verm?
That is going to be very dependent on the genetics being used. But don't knock cakes, they can produce well, especially with a good culture and good conditions.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21966439 - 07/19/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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How many times more product could get from a half pint full of grains compared to a half pint full of rice flour and verm?
That is going to be very dependent on the genetics being used. But don't knock cakes, they can produce well, especially with a good culture and good conditions.

Yeah, cakes are great producers too.
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Re: Does size matter??? heh heh [Re: Aureus]
#21966527 - 07/19/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I love grain spawn tho :P
Edited by Mad Season (07/19/15 06:39 PM)
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