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Offlineralph larun
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I need advice
    #21955993 - 07/17/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm wondering if any one can help. My friend has been smoking meth for the past year and I want to get him to queit any ideas


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Re: I need advice [Re: ralph larun]
    #21956057 - 07/17/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Unless they want to quit or you are in a position to remove him from that scene I don't expect success.


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Re: I need advice [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #21956060 - 07/17/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You cant. Goodluck.


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Re: I need advice [Re: ralph larun]
    #21956085 - 07/17/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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ralph larun said:
I'm wondering if any one can help. My friend has been smoking meth for the past year and I want to get him to queit any ideas




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Re: I need advice [Re: ralph larun]
    #21956123 - 07/17/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Meth isnt one of those things you just stop smoking. Its most likely gonna take him some serious fuckups and bottoming out to put any sense into him. You're gonna want to help him, but he will take advantage and probably start to steal your stuff.

Stay strong.


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Re: I need advice [Re: I_was_the_walrus] * 1
    #21956355 - 07/17/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just tie him down to a bed and read bible scripture to him in a dark room with absolutely no visual or auditory stimuli for 1 week.

This also works well for people having bad trips.


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Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.


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Re: I need advice [Re: ralph larun]
    #21956365 - 07/17/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

talk to him

tell him ur worried

trying is possibly the best thing u can do

but dont try too hard, patience is virtue..


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Re: I need advice [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21956366 - 07/17/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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LuSiD enthusiast said:
Just tie him down to a bed and read bible scripture to him in a dark room with absolutely no visual or auditory stimuli for 1 week.

This also works well for people having bad trips.




It also cures Homosexuality.


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Re: I need advice [Re: ralph larun]
    #21956424 - 07/17/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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zZZz said:
talk to him

tell him ur worried

trying is possibly the best thing u can do

but dont try too hard, patience is virtue..



Yeah, he's not gonna quit until he wants, you can try and help him want to though.

Don't be discouraged when he continues to use though.


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Re: I need advice [Re: PLURAL]
    #21956599 - 07/17/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have been in a similar situation and there truly is very little you can actually do. Although you care for your friend very much, telling him to stop won't do much. It will really just make him defensive or have you come off as preachy. If he realizes his mistakes, then you just come off as preachy. If he doesn't realize his lifestyle is not sustainable, then you come off as an idiot

Imagine you are eating a bagel and someone walks up to and starts lecturing you about how bad gluten is for you, would that not come off as annoying and preachy? This would parallel the situation where you tell him what he is doing is wrong and to stop. The person lecturing and the person doing the action both disagree that the action itself is bad

Imagine you are drinking a soda and some health nut starts lecturing you. In this case, you KNOW what you are doing is unhealthy. But you most likely won't stop because you fail to see how this one particular action pans out into a larger context of how your actions effect yourself and those around you. Most likely your response will be "Get off my case bra. Stfu and let me enjoy my damn life"

either way, what I am trying to say, is lecturing or simply "telling people" how to lead their life is generally not very productive. What you CAN do, is if he asks for your advice, take that rare oppurtunity to say "ya it prolly isn't a good idea to smoke meth because..."

Also, you could try leading by example. Be the kind of person you want others to be. By that I mean maybe quit your bad habits and drug habits and inform him loudly and openly how happy you feel as a result


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Re: I need advice [Re: ralph larun]
    #21958053 - 07/17/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Sweatshirt said:
Reported.



For?


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Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.


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Re: I need advice [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21958099 - 07/17/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

While i was joking, it reminds me of a friend who told me one of his friends was using heroine, so they all took him camping threw away his heroin, and somehow kept him on the campout for several days, hoping that when it was out his system he would be unaddicted.:facepalm:

I asked him if his friend stayed clean from it, he said "yeah for about two weeks, then he decided to go back on it, and was worse than before.":facepalm:

He also said the reason he regretted doing it, was because afterwards he heard withdrawals can kill people if the cold turkey the horse.:facepalm:


This friend was an alcoholic, who did this to a heroin addict. I've talked to him about it, and I'm pretty sure he has a more accurate view of heroin now.

Really the only thing you can do for an addict is be a good friend and stay connected through their worst of times and offer help, not money or belongings.


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I'm addicted to coke, weed, booze, ludes and speed.
Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists.

I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke.


In erowid we trust.

Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.


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Re: I need advice [Re: ralph larun]
    #21959403 - 07/18/15 06:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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ralph larun said:
I'm wondering if any one can help. My friend has been smoking meth for the past year and I want to get him to queit any ideas




I hate to say it but there's nothing you can do other then approach them about it when they're in a normal frame of mind and discuss it with them or voice your concerns. Beyond that it's up to them. An addict will only quit for their own reasons, and any type of blackmail or pressure is just going to make them more distant and evasive, and probably start lying to you.

Meth addiction is pretty bad though. Very destructive and dysfunctional. And it has an extremely strong pull to it that never leaves. Once you build the appetite for it it will always be there.

I hope your friend gets well soon


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Re: I need advice [Re: Soulidarity]
    #21959410 - 07/18/15 06:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If a man wants to smoke crystal he's gonna do it and not give a fuck what anyone else has to say

Sucks that it has to be like that but if he won't stop he'll have to learn the hard way


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Re: I need advice [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #21959416 - 07/18/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am so sorry man. :sad:
I've seen this happen with a guy close to me, only it was speed instead of meth.

Any attempt to come between him and his drug will just make him cast you as a villain in his story, so don't do that no matter how much you'd want to.
All I can say is that it would be great for him if you are there when he hits rock bottom.
But don't get in too deep! It's your life, too.


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Re: I need advice [Re: ralph larun] * 1
    #21959430 - 07/18/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Kill your friend, OP. It would be the easiest way.


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Re: I need advice [Re: ralph larun]
    #21960370 - 07/18/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

all you can do is 1. Have a heart to heart talk 2. Organize and intervention 3.
Stop any enabling behaviour on your part 4. Support him in going to rehab

And if he refuses to get clean or refuses to go to rehab or relapses ,
Cut all ties and tell him until he gets off meth he can't be in your life.


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Re: I need advice [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21960398 - 07/18/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My brother was bad into meth, he went to a mental hospital over it he cut his wrists up and flipped out cus he got ripped off. He looks better now and I dont think he does it as much. But I have a suspicion he still does it because I was at his house and he came out of the bathroom sniffing a lot out of one nostril and the bathroom is where he'd always use and snorting is his preferred method. It sucks to see someone so dependent on a chemical. :feelsbadman:


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Re: I need advice [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21960621 - 07/18/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
all you can do is 1. Have a heart to heart talk 2. Organize and intervention 3.
Stop any enabling behaviour on your part 4. Support him in going to rehab

And if he refuses to get clean or refuses to go to rehab or relapses ,
Cut all ties and tell him until he gets off meth he can't be in your life.



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Re: I need advice [Re: topdog82]
    #21962016 - 07/18/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Even if your friend does make the deciscion to quit and makes an attempt, the general concensus is if it's been compulsive use he or she will fail especially without support. The only way for tem to come away from this is to start getting therapy. The road to recovery from this particular pattern of substance abuse is often long and hard.

There will be a 'wall' your friend will hit even after being successful for a while, usually due to a rough life problem. They will need a lot of support throughout the process but i can imagine especially during this period as relapse is very common with addictions like these.

Ive seen it with one other person... They made attempt after attempt only to come back to it and gave excuse after excuse. That's the thing though, they still have to walk this road and make these decisions themselves. I wish you and your friend the best of luck.


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Re: I need advice [Re: 404]
    #21965071 - 07/19/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was addicted to amphetamines extremely heavily for over a year. Personally what did it for me was when i felt like everyone was out to get me, if someone was talking they were talking about me, laughing they had laughed at me. I even started to believe my dealer was an undercover cop who would turn me in if i quit buying from them.

I remeber one day i was up on a binge and my neighbors had company. I looked out of the window and believed they were home invaders, got my pistol and set next to the door with the lights off for five hours. Started seeing shadow people and yelling at them to fight me, turned on all the lights and hid in my room.

Once i was driving down the road and thought a car was following me, and was going to steal my amphs. So i made a hard u turn into the other lane and nearly crashed.

Glad to be off that shit


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