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Let's get the myth's outta here
    #21955861 - 07/17/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

We have all heard them.. I am not talking about what happens when eating the mushroom.  I am talking about cultivation myth's and how credible they really are.  Anybody is allowed to present "information" and we can then discuss how credible or useful it really is.



I will organize all the useful information that we have discussed and edit this main thread with everything we have deemed to be true enough or not true.  This is going to challenge peoples opinions to the max..  I would like to point out that, if 2 people have conflicting evidence, it means both do not know the truth..  They just happen to meet at some commonality.

THIS THREAD IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE UPON THE NEW ARRIVAL OF INFORMATION!  MAKE SURE TO CHECK BACK AND LOOK FOR PROGRESS WE MAKE.



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1# OPB : Myth: pasteurizing coir preserves beneficial bacteria that is in the bricks.
I still think this should be tested but the opinions of many experienced growers seems unanimous.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21933704/page/1(answered)


#2 Mad Season: Humidity is as important as FAE. (answered)

#3 MBP : To remove the foil or not on PF TEK jars (answered)

#4 MBP Using more than 5+qt's of Spawn will cause something bad to happen or that you cannot do it at all.

#5 Mad Season: I read about how you can't wash your mushrooms after picking because it washes the actives out

#6 Mad Season: Cake fruits are not potent

#7 Mad Season: Misting the walls of any chamber. I can't tell you how many times I tell people not to and just mist the substrate and perlite directly.

On that related note of false shit, no condensation on the walls means you have no humidity, which is also just plain wrong. Condensation means there's a temperature difference. I usually crack the lid and put my hand in to feel if it's humid.

#8 EUA: Myth Liners need to be cut

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LINERS: You can use per-cut liners from black painters plastic or 30 gallon trash bags. It doesn't matter which one you use it won't effect your flush in any way. I find it much easier to use a 30 gallon trash bag and simply tuck the sides of the bag under the casing and substrate rather than cut liners. Once you have applied the casing you tuck the trash bag to the side of the substrate/casing.

here is an example of a tub with a 30 gallon trash bag tucked after the casing has colonized. it is now being induced into fruiting conditions.



and here is a flush with the sub same tub.



Here are a few examples from 2003 that show dub tubs with trash bag liners but no tucking, no cutting or anything. You can get great flushes without cutting or tucking.

pics from 03.






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1) What about the myth that liners need to be cut? that one needs to be done away with.

#9 EUA: Myth: that tall regular mouth half pint jars cause stalling.
 
MikeBearPig : I personally have done quart PF jars, WBS in a pickle jar with out seeing any evidence of them stalling out.  I have also never seen a PF jar stall on the cultivation board.  This does not mean they don't happen, it is just rare and should not be considered normal OR we are being too fast on our decision making.  It is most likely genetics giving us the illusion

Spacechildo : Growth starts high up in jar = stall. growth starts on bottom = no stall.


EUA: This is true about growth in the bottom. inject to the edge of the glass so the solution drips down to the bottom, then growth is from bottom up. ive never had stalling in tall jars. if you inject them following the pf tek it works perfectly. if the pf tek mix is slightly dry it will absorb the solution more and you won't get the solution to trickle down to the bottom. if the mix is right, it slides right down the edge of the glass.

Kizzle: Even though it doesn't happen all the time I'm not convinced it's strictly a matter of human error. In fact it's for that very reason I don't think it's strictly human error. I've had batches of jars made and inoculated the exact same way and a minority of them seem to stall just before full colonization with no indication of contamination before or after birthing (and removing the uncolonized substrate from the bottom). In any case it would be more accurate to say the tall half-pint jars as well as pint jars are more prone to stalling when using the PF tek.

MBP: Ok.  So, now that we have conflicting evidence of some sort.. We have to come to some other agreement why they stall.  *EDIT : MOVED TO DISCUSSION*

Do you think this is from what space was trying to say?  Compression?

Like, accidental compression that leads to stalling?  It would make sense why, if you put it down too hard, the taller jar would have more weight on top.



Also about the foil.  Your examples would of been the extreme case as well.  Leaving the foil on after the PC cycle would be the worst time to leave it on.  After it has been removed and replaced back over, there is going to be a negligible amount of moisture left because of air flow. 


I have an idea. 

I have some quart jars lying around that I can make PF style and inoculate.  How many perfect jars would it take to kill this pint jar myth? After all..  It is a quart jar, not a pint.. this has to be the example to the extreme.  I have done it before with spores, I don't see how I can fail with a liquid culture.


#10 MBP : Spore scam http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7961125

TL:DR If you got these spores from his website, you got ripped
The Keepers Creeper...is also called the Creeper.

The KC is probably just a renamed strain that Shane(The Keeper) renamed to his liking.

He renamed all these strains to his liking...

Tequila Spikes

Veracity Sincerities

Shooting Stars

Sanctuaries

Yin/Yang?s

Oasis

Northern Lights

Hairy Buffaloes

Illusion Weavers

Chimeras

Reality Benders

Blue Meanies (Cubensis) which is complete crap...because there is another species of mushroom that is nicknamed this.
real Blue Meanies are Copelandia Cyanescens!~


Nj6

The Star Gazer

Z-Strain

EUA: "wikidzon" wikidzon was an isolate of pacific exotic spora amazon. pesa cubensis. this was renamed wikidzon when limeade the guy who isolated it gave it the name for his wifes omc tag "wikid" +"amazon"=wikidzon. its a pesa. maybe its good genetics. but its simply pesa.

6Silent9Knight6 said:
just fyi... I recently bought the ultimate special.... (40 strains total)

Grew em all out and they all look identical and not only that... the potency was all the same.

Here's to vendors ripping us off!! :toast:



(each cake is a different strain)




#11 Myth : Fuzzy feet is only caused by low Fresh Air Exchange (FAE)





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#1 Mad Season: Sterilizing coir works because there's little to no beneficial microbes to begin with.
However manure sterilized is trich mania.

Kizzle :True, I guess the real question is whether there are enough beneficial bacteria present for it to do much good.

#3Treant : I was always under the assumption we removed the foil not for GE, but rather because it creates a micro-climate between the foil an the lid that contams can thrive in.

#2 Mad season Humidity is far far far less important. Surface hydration through misting and fae are
what's most important

Kizzle :This seems to be more a matter opinion than fact/myth. Certainly maintaining a sufficient amount of humidity and fresh air are both important. I suppose the fact that a substrate will dry crisp in very low humidity and not fruit whereas it will usually fruit (poorly) even with very low FAE would suggest humidity is more important but nevertheless low humidity is rarely an issue for people yet it's something new cultivators often dwell on.

MBP : If you have done your substrate properly and have a properly built mono tub, humidity will never be an issue, unless you have WAY too much FAE or in a less than ideal temperature range.  Even then, you can mist through mist of it.

It only seems like you should worry about humidity if you messed up your preparation, since the temperature thing does not seem as complicated for people to follow.  I do agree with you fully on this though, it is not something you should really ever worry about and people spend too much time and money worrying about it.

#4 MBP : You can use all the spawn you want, just make sure you have enough substrate and water for colonization.

#5 Rinsing off your mushrooms is safe, as long as the water you are rinsing with is not close to boiling.  Even then, you are still safe

#6 They can be just as potent as bulk mushrooms

#7 Mist the substrate and pearlite directly

#8 You can leave it be or fold it

Kizzle: I can confirm that the filters sometimes remain a little damp but they also remain sterile so it doesn't matter. I often have jars with foil on for a couple days before I inoculate, I've even had control jars sit with foil on for a couple weeks while the others colonize and then inoculate them and they're just fine so long as the foil is still on tightly with no tears or anything.

Mikebearpig: Response to Kizzle : Also about the foil.  Your examples would of been the extreme case as well.  Leaving the foil on after the PC cycle would be the worst time to leave it on.  After it has been removed and replaced back over, there is going to be a negligible amount of moisture left because of air flow. 


#9 Myth: Tall jar's have a chance of stalling just because they are tall jars. (false)

Kizzle: Well I suppose following the PF tek and using the wrong jars in itself could be considered user failure. I don't believe using the tall jars will always cause problems and there are probably variations of the original tek that work fine with other jars. For example if you're using a LC, more than 1/4cc spore solution, flipping your jars upsidedown, using vermiculite with a different coarseness, changing the recipe, or anything like that would be a variation as it deviates from the original tek and there's no guarantee the problem will still apply.

#10 Spore Scamming :With the evidence presented in the discussion thread, we are calling this one a truth.  Use trusted places.

#11 Fuzzy feet only happen due to lack of FAE. (false)



InsaneMike :I believe it's a combination of both. Most of the time fuzzy feet is due to a lack of FAE but how much FAE is more than likely a product of genetics. Some strains may need more oxygen than others while some strains might be able to tolerate higher co2 levels.






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#3 Removing the foil on PF jars for GE.
#8 Liners do not need to be cut.



Mushroom related Myths
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#1 Myth : Adding lemon juice converts the psilocin to psilocybin. *FALSE*

MBP: Truth: Nothing happens as far as converting.  Hot water is enough to extract the alkaloids out of mushrooms.  It is how all the company's that make tonics out of medicinal ones operate.  So as far as the lemon juice helping to extract it from the mushrooms might be far fetched, however the lemon juice does help the active alkaloids to not oxidize as fast in response to being in water. 


#2 Discuss: Caps more potent than stems.  I have seen 1 chart and I believe I have seen Alan Rockafeller say that it was not accurate.  I might be wrong though, so feel free to correct me.  I do not believe that caps are more potent than stems, based from personal experience testing and from the information I have gathered.

Although, part of me says that the cap has a different purpose and involves different types of mycelium (maybe?).  We might not ever know this until we can get scientific testing of many many many different batches of mushrooms.

#3 Myth : You can Tell by the way a mushroom looks if it will give a good trip or not (false)

#4 Myth : Gold flakes enhance or mean extra potent.  I heard this in high school and people still believe this.  I have told 3 of my friends in particular this story and it almost looks like I have crushed their souls..  One of them told me that she thought It was something the mushrooms produces, "Like a fairy dust".  Another told me and firmly believed that the gold flakes brought out the psilocybin and made them extra potent. 


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21955881 - 07/17/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

#1 is pretty much impossible for us to settle. unless someone has a foot inside the spore business :shrug:

where'd you hear no 2? never heard that before, it sounds like something from "those other sites" :lol:

#4 removing foil was never because of ge.. gases find their way anyway, making a truly air tight container is fuckin hard!


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
    #21955907 - 07/17/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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#1 is pretty much impossible for us to settle. unless someone has a foot inside the spore business :shrug:

where'd you hear no 2? never heard that before, it sounds like something from "those other sites" :lol:

#4 removing foil was never because of ge.. gases find their way anyway, making a truly air tight container is fuckin hard!




#1 I was referring to the scam sites directed at noobs that sell spores for 69$
#2 is from here.  I just recently seen on another thread .
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21955916 - 07/17/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

seriously? got a link to no2? that's so fucked its shocking! :eek:

btw you'll always see noobs say foil hinders GE but they dont know what they're saying. they just repeat what they think is true..


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
    #21955965 - 07/17/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

#1 Some sites do that, but its typically the ones that sell overpriced subpar grow kits. B+ from one vendor is highly unlikely to be the same as B+ from another vendor for obvious reasons

#2 No comment

#3 Lets not forget in the case of cakes, playing with your jars and letting dirty air work its way past your vermiculite barrier. Watched pot never boils and all that.

#4 -shrug-

I was hoping to get into the argument about Substrate X or Strain Y yielding abnormal potency. I wanna see some name calling :lolz0rz:


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: ZeroBoyWD] * 1
    #21956007 - 07/17/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Humidity is as important as fae... bad myth. Humidity is far far far less important. Surface hydration through misting and fae are what's most important.

#4 is bad because it traps condensation in. It'll drip off the foil and onto the dry verm layer, making it not so dry, and a place for contaminations to germinate. Also in the case of grains, you don't want your filter to get wet. Adding that barrier will get the condensation on the filter. Thus foil should always be removed.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here *DELETED* [Re: Mad Season]
    #21956033 - 07/17/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21956067 - 07/17/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Can we start labeling our posts MYTH or FACT


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21956139 - 07/17/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Myth: pasteurizing coir preserves beneficial bacteria that is in the bricks.

I still think this should be tested but the opinions of many experienced growers seems unanimous.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21933704/page/1


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    #21956170 - 07/17/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sterilizing coir works because there's little to no beneficial microbes to begin with. However manure sterilized is trich mania


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: hamloaf] * 2
    #21956184 - 07/17/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Moisture that evaporates from the substrate is nutrient laden.  Nutrition that is laden in the moisture evaporation from the substrate is what, and how the fruits get food.  The more nutrients in a substrate, the better the mushrooms eat.




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Nutrition that is laden in the moisture evaporation from the substrate is what, and how the fruits get food.



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    #21956215 - 07/17/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:popcorn:


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    #21956232 - 07/17/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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Moisture that evaporates from the substrate is nutrient laden.  Nutrition that is laden in the moisture evaporation from the substrate is what, and how the fruits get food.  The more nutrients in a substrate, the better the mushrooms eat.




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Nutrition that is laden in the moisture evaporation from the substrate is what, and how the fruits get food.



:lolwut:




how ironic isnt it to pull one of these in a no more myths thread? :crazy:


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
    #21956374 - 07/17/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Shit, nah.  You guys are right,  I misread/understood the information originally read over the subject.  My bad.  It's been a rough week.  Mushrooms eat by decomposing organic matter.


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    #21956397 - 07/17/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you Hamloaf, who continually brings good info, and corrects their self when wrong. Just like a good reporter. Just like a good scientist. Noobies take note


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    #21956457 - 07/17/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've got a great one.

Myth: You can judge a mushrooms potency or "type of trip" visually.

Myth part B: Mushroom genetics determine whether it will cause bad trips or good trips.


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    #21956460 - 07/17/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was always under the assumption we removed the foil not for GE, but rather because it creates a micro-climate between the foil an the lid that contams can thrive in.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: PLURAL]
    #21956470 - 07/17/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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seriously? got a link to no2? that's so fucked its shocking! :eek:

btw you'll always see noobs say foil hinders GE but they dont know what they're saying. they just repeat what they think is true..



Quote:

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I was always under the assumption we removed the foil not for GE, but rather because it creates a micro-climate between the foil an the lid that contams can thrive in.




These are examples of how these "myths" are created.  We have all heard something else!

Keep posting information, let's bury all these once and for all.

I made this thread not so much for us, but for the newer people who have to sort through 12 years of this stuff :P


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    #21956474 - 07/17/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I've got a great one.

Myth: You can judge a mushrooms potency or "type of trip" visually.

Myth part B: Mushroom genetics determine whether it will cause bad trips or good trips.




This is more for the cultivation myths.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: PLURAL]
    #21956486 - 07/17/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There's so many people on here that are convinced mushrooms cause bad trips.


*intensely looking at mushrooms*
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    #21956491 - 07/17/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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seriously? got a link to no2? that's so fucked its shocking! :eek:

btw you'll always see noobs say foil hinders GE but they dont know what they're saying. they just repeat what they think is true..



Quote:

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I was always under the assumption we removed the foil not for GE, but rather because it creates a micro-climate between the foil an the lid that contams can thrive in.




These are examples of how these "myths" are created.  We have all heard something else!

Keep posting information, let's bury all these once and for all.

I made this thread not so much for us, but for the newer people who have to sort through 12 years of this stuff :P




me & treant still heard the same thing but you cant stop noobs from spreading bad info.
people come here right from their erowid-tek assisted grows and start spewing bs like early pinning from light etc.

but I've seriously never heard anyone say you cook the sub by adding more than a set no of grain jars.
did it even say anything about tub size/total sub mass or just anything above 6qt's is fucked?


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
    #21956506 - 07/17/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

MikeBearPig said:
Quote:

spacechildo said:
seriously? got a link to no2? that's so fucked its shocking! :eek:

btw you'll always see noobs say foil hinders GE but they dont know what they're saying. they just repeat what they think is true..



Quote:

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I was always under the assumption we removed the foil not for GE, but rather because it creates a micro-climate between the foil an the lid that contams can thrive in.




These are examples of how these "myths" are created.  We have all heard something else!

Keep posting information, let's bury all these once and for all.

I made this thread not so much for us, but for the newer people who have to sort through 12 years of this stuff :P




me & treant still heard the same thing but you cant stop noobs from spreading bad info.
people come here right from their erowid-tek assisted grows and start spewing bs like early pinning from light etc.

but I've seriously never heard anyone say you cook the sub by adding more than a set no of grain jars.
did it even say anything about tub size/total sub mass or just anything above 6qt's is fucked?




I've read anything above 6 cooks your sub, or that you can't use more than 5. I am sure there are various forms of this myth, I just wanted to kinda lay them all to rest at once.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21956517 - 07/17/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

you can eat the same isolate two different occasions and have wildly different experience.

if you get dealer grade shrooms you'll have no problem though


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    #21956527 - 07/17/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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you can eat the same isolate two different occasions and have wildly different experience.

if you get dealer grade shrooms you'll have no problem though




There is actually a new grade.. You prob have not heard about it, its pretty unique and special.

The O'Riley grade.. Far surpasses any dealer shrooms..


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    #21956534 - 07/17/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's funny af. Whered that even come from? People can case and fruit off straight grains... It's kinda like that one myth I read about how you can't wash your mushrooms after picking because it washes the actives out, back when I was researching to make this LOL.


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    #21956563 - 07/17/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That's funny af. Whered that even come from? People can case and fruit off straight grains... It's kinda like that one myth I read about how you can't wash your mushrooms after picking because it washes the actives out, back when I was researching to make this LOL.





You can do hot water extracts on mushrooms, of course lemon works well! 

I do like this though.  Can anybody confirm that washing with really hot water won't take out the surface alkaloids?

I would assume washing with cold would be safe.

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    #21956583 - 07/17/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well it rains in nature so.... lol I seriously doubt rain washes the actives off. Water extraction does work though, and is actually the best at extracting it because the actives are polar. My guess though is that washing does nothing, and I've been washing every spored mushroom for years, and no one's complained ever lol, including myself.


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    #21956609 - 07/17/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well it rains in nature so.... lol I seriously doubt rain washes the actives off. Water extraction does work though, and is actually the best at extracting it because the actives are polar. My guess though is that washing does nothing, and I've been washing every spored mushroom for years, and no one's complained ever lol, including myself.




I was more along the lines of thinking... Washing them off with your faucet turned all the way on hot.. Like 140f+ water.


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    #21956632 - 07/17/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Probably won't know until we get the rights to lab test mushrooms again. Pot was pretty mysterious until laws let us research it. Now we know the exact spectrums of light it needs and almost everything else about it. Including the amount cannibinoids and their levels. Everything regarding potency is pretty much speculation until we can research again :frown:. So sad


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    #21956635 - 07/17/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

1# OPB : Myth: pasteurizing coir preserves beneficial bacteria that is in the bricks.
That it does. I guess the real question is whether there are enough beneficial bacteria present for it to do much good.

#2 Mad Season: Humidity is as important as FAE.
This seems to be more a matter opinion than fact/myth. Certainly maintaining a sufficient amount of humidity and fresh air are both important. I suppose the fact that a substrate will dry crisp in very low humidity and not fruit whereas it will usually fruit (poorly) even with very low FAE would suggest humidity is more important but nevertheless low humidity is rarely an issue for people yet it's something new cultivators often dwell on.

#3 MBP : To remove the foil or not on PF TEK jars
The foil serves no purpose after inoculation unless you're using it as a lid.

#4 Using more than 5+qt's of Spawn will cause something bad to happen or that you cannot do it at all.
There really needs to be some context with this quote. It will certainly depend on how much substrate you're using.

#5 Mad Season: I read about how you can't wash your mushrooms after picking because it washes the actives out
As far as I know this is false but there are other reasons why you shouldn't wash mushrooms. Then again who knows. Maybe the mushrooms are also excreting psilocybin from the tissue and not simply containing it. :shrug:


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    #21956662 - 07/17/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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1# OPB : Myth: pasteurizing coir preserves beneficial bacteria that is in the bricks.
That it does. I guess the real question is whether there are enough beneficial bacteria present for it to do much good.

#2 Mad Season: Humidity is as important as FAE.
This seems to be more a matter opinion than fact/myth. Certainly maintaining a sufficient amount of humidity and fresh air are both important. I suppose the fact that a substrate will dry crisp in very low humidity and not fruit whereas it will usually fruit (poorly) even with very low FAE would suggest humidity is more important but nevertheless low humidity is rarely an issue for people yet it's something new cultivators often dwell on.

#3 MBP : To remove the foil or not on PF TEK jars
The foil serves no purpose after inoculation unless you're using it as a lid.

#4 Using more than 5+qt's of Spawn will cause something bad to happen or that you cannot do it at all.
There really needs to be some context with this quote. It will certainly depend on how much substrate you're using.





#2 If you have done your substrate properly and have a properly built mono tub, humidity will never be an issue, unless you have WAY too much FAE or in a less than ideal temperature range.  Even then, you can mist through mist of it.

It only seems like you should worry about humidity if you messed up your preparation, since the temperature thing does not seem as complicated for people to follow.  I do agree with you fully on this though, it is not something you should really ever worry about and people spend too much time and money worrying about it.



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    #21956683 - 07/17/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How bout this one
MYTH: A new grower can modify the PF Tek to produce RADICALLY larger yields the likes of which this forum has never seen


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Kizzle]
    #21956711 - 07/17/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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1# OPB : Myth: pasteurizing coir preserves beneficial bacteria that is in the bricks.
That it does. I guess the real question is whether there are enough beneficial bacteria present for it to do much good.




Where do these beneficial bacterias come from in your opinion? coir bricks are pressed at really high temps,
I cant remember exactly but its way past our 15-20 psi which would kill most living organisms.


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    #21956835 - 07/17/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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1# OPB : Myth: pasteurizing coir preserves beneficial bacteria that is in the bricks.
That it does. I guess the real question is whether there are enough beneficial bacteria present for it to do much good.




Where do these beneficial bacterias come from in your opinion? coir bricks are pressed at really high temps,
I cant remember exactly but its way past our 15-20 psi which would kill most living organisms.



I'm not sure that's always the case. If it is though it seems kind of pointless to heat the coir at all. There'll be always some bacteria that come from the air on dust particles and such just as there'll always be some mold spores on virtually every product that doesn't come presterilized in a sterile package.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Kizzle]
    #21956855 - 07/17/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've heard someone say that before, maybe it was you I cant remember,
but would bacteria floating in the air be able to become a living organism on a dried out rock hard coir brick?

I see a big difference in colonization times on heat treated vs room temp watered hydrated bricks.
Others again says they see even bigger differences on bucketed/pasteurized coir and sterilized 90mins @ 15psi coir.


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    #21956900 - 07/17/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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but would bacteria floating in the air be able to become a living organism on a dried out rock hard coir brick?



Once you add water to it sure. Until then they'd just remain dormant. It's basically just the spores that survive pasteurization. I don't know if it's exclusively endospores or if there are some other kinds of bacterial spores that can survive pasteurization as well but endospores are a large contributor to say that the least and we all know how well they survive harsh conditions.


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    #21956932 - 07/17/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I gotta admit I dont know much about endospores besides baciluss's
but that is definitely food for thought!



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    #21956978 - 07/17/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am really glad we are finding some equal ground and not arguing.

This thread could become extremely beneficial for new and old growers alike.


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    #21956991 - 07/17/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Bacillus is the shape of the bacteria.
Lacto bacillus makes no endospores
Clostridum botulinum makes endospores. Clostridum is a rod shaped bacteria its a bacillus too


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    #21957069 - 07/17/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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*intensely looking at mushrooms*
Na man, them look like bad trip mushrooms.



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    #21957086 - 07/17/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I've got a great one.

Myth: You can judge a mushrooms potency or "type of trip" visually.

Myth part B: Mushroom genetics determine whether it will cause bad trips or good trips.




This is more for the cultivation myths.




There was one guy who was saying that he has thrown out entire flushes because they didn't look like "good trip" mushrooms. That is cultivation related haha


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    #21957126 - 07/17/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh god not that thread. I hid that after calling him a troll. Can't believe he did that. Oh well its just cakes.

Speaking of cakes, another false myth is they have low potency, when in fact it's genetic. 1 cake can be potent af and the other can be shit. That's why you better pray you clone a potent fruit.

Here's another myth that's false as fuck. Misting the walls of any chamber. I can't tell you how many times I tell people not to and just mist the substrate and perlite directly.

On that related note of false shit, no condensation on the walls means you have no humidity, which is also just plain wrong. Condensation means there's a temperature difference. I usually crack the lid and put my hand in to feel if it's humid.


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    #21957160 - 07/17/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21958287 - 07/17/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It was Chron that mentioned coir bricks being pressed at some crazy high temp. However, I did watch a video today of a different machine being used to press 5 kilo bricks using only hydraulics. The ladies loading the machine were just scooping it up off the dirt ground near their bare feet.


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    #21958356 - 07/17/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

O'Reilly grade mushrooms LOLOLOL.

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    #21958482 - 07/17/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Illuminti?


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    #21958484 - 07/17/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So, after doing an hour's worth of research on Coir and how the compress and blah blah..

It is safe to say there is nothing beneficial about Coir.  It does not come with good or bad bacteria.. or specific things to help your garden or what ever you plan to use it on.

UNLESS IT SAYS OTHERWISE

So, assume there is nothing good/bad about Coir unless the packing or manufacture says so.



I would also like to think that, certain types of coir that come from different parts of the world will have different ecosystems.. Some might be more prone to specific types of endospores and other "contaminations" just because of the factory or company who makes them, where the coconuts were harvested and how they were shipped.


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    #21958495 - 07/17/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's probably why people have been finding crap in their eco earth. I find seed shells, but no seed in Zilla coir. Lots of quartz too.


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    #21958525 - 07/17/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

All of my grows are from


Never found shit in it, even if I did, I would just pasteurize it and let the mycelium eat it :smile:


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    #21958553 - 07/17/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

you couldn't pasteurize a grain if there were some in your brick..


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    #21959740 - 07/18/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

1) What about the myth that liners need to be cut? that one needs to be done away with.

2)  The myth that tall regular mouth half pint jars cause stalling.

3) if you use pf jars with autocleaveable lids with foil kept on during colonization it won't hinder ge in the jars at all. but the holes need to be cut 1/4" drill bit. the foil can then be left on if the verm barrier is in place. this is not using any type of filter on the lid.


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    #21960128 - 07/18/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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1) What about the myth that liners need to be cut? that one needs to be done away with.

2)  The myth that tall regular mouth half pint jars cause stalling.

3) if you use pf jars with autocleaveable lids with foil kept on during colonization it won't hinder ge in the jars at all. but the holes need to be cut 1/4" drill bit. the foil can then be left on if the verm barrier is in place. this is not using any type of filter on the lid.





Already covered the GE holes on the PF jars.  I still disagree with everybody here, leaving the foil on the lid is better IMO than taking it off.

Even if it created a micro-climate (which I have never seen when I have taken my foil off), You still have a verm barrier. I highly doubt that leaving the foil on your PF jars will create a thriving micro-climate with no nutrients.

People also tried to say, "It will get the verm barrier wet".  Well, they are always damp.
THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY FOR A PF JAR TO CREATE ENOUGH MOISTURE TO FORM A WATER DROPLET IN THE FOIL

It causes an unnoticeable amount of condensation (you cant even see it).

I am still calling bullshit on removing the foil.  It does not sound like it is helpful at all when all you have is your vermiculite barrier.

It has open holes being subjected to the horror's of your house at all times.  I would go as far as to say for new people to put a piece of micro-pour tape over all 4 holes.



If you take the foil off and loosely put it back on with out any pressure, it will stop all contamination's from falling into the holes.  It won't lose GE, there won't be any moisture, it won't create a microclimate.

Note: I never said it will stop all contamination from going into the holes, but it is SEVERELY reduced since it has to travel up the foil instead of falling onto the lid.



I tried to fold my liners like you, I do like cutting them!  It's out there though!  Adding #1 and #2 to the list.


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    #21960197 - 07/18/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the microclimate forms in the verm when it doesnt get to dry up.
of course the verm will be moist after a pc/pot run. keep it dry and in place thats how it works the best.

liners must be cut is another one I've never heard before, noobs say the darnest things :tongue2:

I've seen way too many tall jars stall to think thats a myth.
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    #21960272 - 07/18/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's not a myth at all. Tall jars can work they are just inferior. Not really a myth though. I get tall ones to work just fine many people have that makes it not a myth right there. It's just a obvious trend over time that one way works way better more often


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    #21960369 - 07/18/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

tall jars are not inferior. they both work the same. regular mouth or wide mouth. tested thousands of times. if you inoculate by pointing the tip of a syringe(pf tek) to the edge of the glass either one colonizes from the bottom up at the same rate with the same results.

the reusable autoclave lids are preferred but not necessary.



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    #21960381 - 07/18/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

All I've ever used for cakes are the tall jars... But it doesn't take much thought power to notice that 9/10 times a kid has trouble with a pf TEK the tall jar is a common denominator. Same with the foil for pf TEK. One way emerged as a on average better way its not like we removed the foil to decrease our chances...


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    #21960384 - 07/18/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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the microclimate forms in the verm when it doesnt get to dry up.
of course the verm will be moist after a pc/pot run. keep it dry and in place thats how it works the best.

liners must be cut is another one I've never heard before, noobs say the darnest things :tongue2:

I've seen way too many tall jars stall to think thats a myth.
growth starts high up in jar = stall. growth starts on bottom = no stall.




If you look at the truth, I stated that hat stalling might just be bad genetics throwing us through a loop..  I still have not seen any stalled jars in past year.  I don't see why the jar would effect colonization.

People make mistakes and we chalk them up to be real. 

What if all the stalled pf jars lacked proper field capacity and they were just happening to use tall jars?

We chalk it up to be the jar, I just don't think that's the case at all

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    #21960388 - 07/18/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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All I've ever used for cakes are the tall jars... But it doesn't take much thought power to notice that 9/10 times a kid has trouble with a pf TEK the tall jar is a common denominator. Same with the foil for pf TEK. One way emerged as a on average better way its not like we removed the foil to decrease our chances...





Exactly... We always try to place the blame anywhere but ourselves..


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    #21960400 - 07/18/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

genetics so bad they just stop growing? not because of compressed substrate? sounds really weird to me, I've never seen young myc stop growing unless it met some barrier.

the difference is in that most noobs dont get their spore solution down to the bottom of the jar,
they are way too busy worrying about spraying lysol in their bathrooms and hurry hurry inoc before it disappates.


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    #21960406 - 07/18/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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genetics so bad they just stop growing? not because of compressed substrate? sounds really weird to me, I've never seen young myc stop growing unless it met some barrier.

the difference is in that most noobs dont get their spore solution down to the bottom of the jar,
they are way too busy worrying about spraying lysol in their bathrooms and hurry hurry inoc before it disappates.




I don't think it's bad genetics every time, it's surely not the jar though.


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    #21960412 - 07/18/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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growth starts high up in jar = stall. growth starts on bottom = no stall.



this is true about growth in the bottom. inject to the edge of the glass so the solution drips down to the bottom, then growth is from bottom up. ive never had stalling in tall jars. if you inject them following the pf tek it works perfectly. if the pf tek mix is slightly dry it will absorb the solution more and you won't get the solution to trickle down to the bottom. if the mix is right, it slides right down the edge of the glass.

see foil not even removed. but lids have holes in them. if filters are used, foil is removed.



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    #21960416 - 07/18/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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All I've ever used for cakes are the tall jars... But it doesn't take much thought power to notice that 9/10 times a kid has trouble with a pf TEK the tall jar is a common denominator. Same with the foil for pf TEK. One way emerged as a on average better way its not like we removed the foil to decrease our chances...





Exactly... We always try to place the blame anywhere but ourselves..





I made 50 cakes with tall jars and a free with quart jars.. None stalled


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    #21960422 - 07/18/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21960429 - 07/18/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It is the jar even though you can do it. It's not as easy you have to adjust to do it successfully in the ta jar. Having to adjust just to get it to work = inferior.

So while you can make the jar work its like choosing a fat prostitute when you can have a hot one for the same price.


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    #21960433 - 07/18/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

well I cant say for 1/4" holes and pf-tek but the standard puncture holes the tek calls for does not like foil. dry verm stays wet as stated.

if your jars are short there's less distance for the spore solution to go to reach the bottom.

You gotta remember new culters dont use SABs like we do, we've learned to relax and do it smooth
while newbies sweat and have a hard time seeing through the fogged sab walls in their bathrooms.
I've seen countless of jars where colonization starts in the top half of short jars even, but the sub doesnt get (too) compressed as the jars as shorter.


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    #21960440 - 07/18/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Stick shift cars are not inferior but they are inferior for a first time driver especially if the driver is an Asian girl and most of our noobs are Asian girls when it comes to driving a PF TEK.


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    #21960446 - 07/18/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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well I cant say for 1/4" holes and pf-tek but the standard puncture holes the tek calls for does not like foil. dry verm stays wet as stated.

if your jars are short there's less distance for the spore solution to go to reach the bottom.

You gotta remember new culters dont use SABs like we do, we've learned to relax and do it smooth
while newbies sweat and have a hard time seeing through the fogged sab walls in their bathrooms.
I've seen countless of jars where colonization starts in the top half of short jars even, but the sub doesnt get (too) compressed as the jars as shorter.







Again, everything you said is ok and somewhat true.. It's not the jar, it's the user.

Only thing I disagree with is the hole size.  As long as there is a hole Ge, they will be fine, foil or not .


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    #21960454 - 07/18/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

but if the user fucks up on short jars he's still fine, if the user fucks up on tall jars he's not.
thats why we suggest short jars for new users.


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    #21960470 - 07/18/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It is the jar even though you can do it. It's not as easy you have to adjust to do it successfully in the ta jar. Having to adjust just to get it to work = inferior.

So while you can make the jar work its like choosing a fat prostitute when you can have a hot one for the same price.



you don't have to adjust anything. its following the pf tek inoculation. not everyone can find wide mouth jars locally. its a different jar but the same inoculation method  used.

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In this photo, the needle tip can be seen resting against the inside surface of the jar. Then, when the solution is injected, it will run down the side of glass, giving an even inoculation. It is 




original pf tek

when you inject down the side of the glass it evenly distributes the inoculation. what was modified? nothing. were talking about jar inoculation not cars.

if the pf mix was made slightly dry, you won't get an even inoculation. if the mix has the correct moisture content. the inoculation works perfectly with no adjustments needed.


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    #21960488 - 07/18/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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but if the user fucks up on short jars he's still fine, if the user fucks up on tall jars he's not.
thats why we suggest short jars for new users.





We are here to clarify myths, not give advice on growing or rewrite TEK's.
We still fully understand that you should follow the original TEK to the T and use wide mouth.  We are just here to clarify that using tall jars is fine.

Most of the stall's are user error and have no business being factual or spread around as good information.

If you do not nave anything useful to add, then don't respond to this thread anymore.





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    #21960491 - 07/18/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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but if the user fucks up on short jars he's still fine, if the user fucks up on tall jars he's not.
thats why we suggest short jars for new users.





We are here to clarify myths, not give advice on growing.






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Stick shift cars are not inferior but they are inferior for a first time driver especially if the driver is an Asian girl and most of our noobs are Asian girls when it comes to driving a PF TEK.



:lmafo: don't let those crazy asian girls drive. i know my crazy asian girl can't drive.

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It is the jar even though you can do it. It's not as easy you have to adjust to do it successfully in the ta jar. Having to adjust just to get it to work = inferior.

So while you can make the jar work its like choosing a fat prostitute when you can have a hot one for the same price.



if you can't find the wide mouth pf jars locally.(depends on location) your not paying the same price. your paying shipping. if your budget is limited, you have to use whats available. in this location, wide mouth jars were not available for the last 12 years. they finally began carrying them locally. but where i last lived, they never carried wide mouth. if someone needs 2 boxes of jars. these days shipping weight is expensive. unless you are lucky enough to find a place that has free shipping.


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    #21960508 - 07/18/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well if we want to be that retarded then lets.

Myth: you have to heat the whole room not the FC. Bullshit I've seen cubes grow on heating pad terarriums so its not a myth

I've seen cubes grow in the dark. Myth about light busted.

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    #21960512 - 07/18/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

wtf? that was clearing up myths/facts.

its a fact tall jars stalls more often than short jars do for new growers.

if you cant handle discussion stop making threads that encourage discussion. we wont all think the same as you do and you need to learn to accept it.


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    #21960522 - 07/18/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well if we want to be that retarded then lets.

Myth: you have to heat the whole room not the FC. Bullshit I've seen cubes grow on heating pad terarriums so its not a myth

I've seen cubes grow in the dark. Myth about light busted.

Etc... If you want t to take it to the point of sounding like an idiot we can play that game too




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Well if we want to be that retarded then lets.

Myth: you have to heat the whole room not the FC. Bullshit I've seen cubes grow on heating pad terarriums so its not a myth

I've seen cubes grow in the dark. Myth about light busted.

Etc... If you want t to take it to the point of sounding like an idiot we can play that game too





Nobody claims mushrooms cannot be grown with out light

And heating the whole room instead of a heating pad.. there is no myth here.  Just good advice vs bad advice.  I am sure both will work, just 1 works better :smile:


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    #21960529 - 07/18/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Because you stay stupid shit :shrug: it may always be "us two" but for us you're the 0.05% of people on here that we would ever have a small problem with

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    #21960537 - 07/18/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Because you stay stupid shit :shrug: it may always be "us two" but for us you're the 0.05% of people on here that we would ever have a small problem with

If bad advice is bad advice then tall jars are bad advice but not a myth




It's a myth jars will stall if they are tall..

It's not a myth that wide mouths work better.

If it has water and GE, it will colonize regardless on the size of the container.



I don't know how to explain this any better.

Human error accounts for this myth, not the jar.  Accept it and move on.


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    #21960541 - 07/18/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well if we want to be that retarded then lets.

Myth: you have to heat the whole room not the FC. Bullshit I've seen cubes grow on heating pad terarriums so its not a myth

I've seen cubes grow in the dark. Myth about light busted.

Etc... If you want t to take it to the point of sounding like an idiot we can play that game too



so are you telling newbs they are shit out of luck because they can't find wide mouth 1/2 pint jars? come on now. we todd did.


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    #21960553 - 07/18/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Because you stay stupid shit :shrug: it may always be "us two" but for us you're the 0.05% of people on here that we would ever have a small problem with

If bad advice is bad advice then tall jars are bad advice but not a myth





You are the .05% who can't seem to rationally figure things out.

Just because you seen tall jar's stalling, it has NO BEARING ON EVERYBODIES OUTCOME and it does not mean tall jars stall.  It's fucking ridiculous to correlate this.

I bet you never seen an experienced grower with a stalled PF jar.  It only happens to new people and it only happens because of user error.

Why is this so hard to accept?


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    #21960560 - 07/18/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If it has water and GE, it will colonize regardless on the size of the container.





:justno:

not at all. compression is real. same is anaerobic environments.

I was here yesterday, thread went just fine. "why its always us" is more something
in your head because you seem more willing to discuss persona than topic.

Read through this thread again and see where it went off. do the same with your other main threads. come back enlightened and hopefully a little less bastant and all caps-lock-y.


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    #21960589 - 07/18/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If it has water and GE, it will colonize regardless on the size of the container.





:justno:

not at all. compression is real. same is anaerobic environments.

I was here yesterday, thread went just fine. "why its always us" is more something
in your head because you seem more willing to discuss persona than topic.

Read through this thread again and see where it went off. do the same with your other main threads. come back enlightened and hopefully a little less bastant and all caps-lock-y.




It was a bit much to say regardless of the size.  I was referring to any container we would actually use for this hobby is just fine and it is.

Also, you are in a disagreement with EUA.  Needless to say, I would never even go there.  Tall jars are fine, nothing you 2 say will change the first page of this thread.

Move on and discuss other things please.


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    #21960614 - 07/18/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if this thread is just going to be you playing dictator over whats discussion worthy or not
and have some sort of "final say" in what you think will be a myth or facts bible
I dont think I wanna be in this thread. free fuckin speech man, just because you dont like my points doesnt mean you can stop me from making them :shrug:


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if this thread is just going to be you playing dictator over whats discussion worthy or not
and have some sort of "final say" in what you think will be a myth or facts bible
I dont think I wanna be in this thread. free fuckin speech man, just because you dont like my points doesnt mean you can stop me from making them :shrug:




I actually really liked one of you points and edited the main page already..

I just don't like the points that make no sense.

It is my thread.  If you do not like what it's said here or done, feel free to leave and never post on any thread i make again. You or what you bring to the table won't be missed.


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    #21960731 - 07/18/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

its not your thread any more than a baby owns the stroller it sits in.
you didnt make it, you didnt pay for it, you didnt even fuckin color it.
its the shroomery man, not the mikery.

just go through your main threads and see what other people say about trying to interact with you. maybe it can help put things in perspective for ya :shrug:


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    #21960755 - 07/18/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't care.

I do not need people to like me on the internet.  The only purpose of this thread is to clarify information, not to stroke your ego and agree with all the bullshit you spout.  People's feelings getting hurt is part of the process of finding the truth.  I really don't care if you or others get offended when presented with conflicting information.  It's part of life getting your ideals shattered and replaced.




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    #21960770 - 07/18/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I can see you didn't read through your threads. its not about how good info you have with bad attitude dude. at all.
its about how you cant stand being spoken against.

people get butthurt all the time. I know there's a concentration of people who get especially butthurt and I'm not at all surprised they pm you about it.
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    #21960777 - 07/18/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Because you 2 idiots show up to every thread.. that anybody makes .. and try to argue the thread into chaos.

If you see a thread that says I made it, it is surly a sign that says fuck off you are not welcome :smile:  You will be treated as so as long as you continue to be you.

Maybe you and Bod can team up and go searching for full canopies with his microscope :smile:


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I can post wherever I choose to and now I choose not to entertain you anymore with this as I'm sure we both have better things to do.


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    #21960808 - 07/18/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:facepalm: seal of approval.

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Why is it always You two?



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needing to post a comment on every thread, post padding, constantly pushing members away. its obvious, the constant need to prove something with these two is strong. obviously they both know it all and have to comment on every post.

the best part is talking so much. but never showing any grows.

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:facepalm: seal of approval.

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Why is it always You two?



these two always call people trolls but are the true trolls of the boards.

needing to post a comment on every thread, post padding, constantly pushing members away. its obvious, the constant need to prove something with these two is strong. obviously they both know it all and have to comment on every post.

the best part is talking so much. but never showing any grows.

post em up. sick of hearing you spew bs.




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    #21960836 - 07/18/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

bodhisatta said:
Because you stay stupid shit :shrug: it may always be "us two" but for us you're the 0.05% of people on here that we would ever have a small problem with

If bad advice is bad advice then tall jars are bad advice but not a myth




It's a myth jars will stall if they are tall..

It's not a myth that wide mouths work better.

If it has water and GE, it will colonize regardless on the size of the container.



I don't know how to explain this any better.

Human error accounts for this myth, not the jar.  Accept it and move on.



Even though it doesn't happen all the time I'm not convinced it's strictly a matter of human error. In fact it's for that very reason I don't think it's strictly human error. I've had batches of jars made and inoculated the exact same way and a minority of them seem to stall just before full colonization with no indication of contamination before or after birthing (and removing the uncolonized substrate from the bottom). In any case it would be more accurate to say the tall half-pint jars as well as pint jars are more prone to stalling when using the PF tek.

Myth: Foil needs to be removed immediately after taking jars out of the PC or the filter remains damp and cause contamination.

I can confirm that the filters sometimes remain a little damp but they also remain sterile so it doesn't matter. I often have jars with foil on for a couple days before I inoculate, I've even had control jars sit with foil on for a couple weeks while the others colonize and then inoculate them and they're just fine so long as the foil is still on tightly with no tears or anything.


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    #21960850 - 07/18/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Because you stay stupid shit :shrug: it may always be "us two" but for us you're the 0.05% of people on here that we would ever have a small problem with

If bad advice is bad advice then tall jars are bad advice but not a myth




It's a myth jars will stall if they are tall..

It's not a myth that wide mouths work better.

If it has water and GE, it will colonize regardless on the size of the container.



I don't know how to explain this any better.

Human error accounts for this myth, not the jar.  Accept it and move on.



Even though it doesn't happen all the time I'm not convinced it's strictly a matter of human error. In fact it's for that very reason I don't think it's strictly human error. I've had batches of jars made and inoculated the exact same way and a minority of them seem to stall just before full colonization with no indication of contamination before or after birthing (and removing the uncolonized substrate from the bottom). In any case it would be more accurate to say the tall half-pint jars as well as pint jars are more prone to stalling when using the PF tek.

Myth: Foil needs to be removed immediately after taking jars out of the PC or the filter remains damp and cause contamination.

I can confirm that the filters sometimes remain a little damp but they also remain sterile so it doesn't matter. I often have jars with foil on for a couple days before I inoculate, I've even had control jars sit with foil on for a couple weeks while the others colonize and then inoculate them and they're just fine so long as the foil is still on tightly with no tears or anything.





Ok.  So, now that we have conflicting evidence of some sort.. We have to come to some other agreement why they stall.

Do you think this is from what space was trying to say?  Compression?

Like, accidental compression that leads to stalling?  It would make sense why, if you put it down too hard, the taller jar would have more weight on top.



Also about the foil.  Your examples would of been the extreme case as well.  Leaving the foil on after the PC cycle would be the worst time to leave it on.  After it has been removed and replaced back over, there is going to be a negligible amount of moisture left because of air flow. 


I have an idea. 

I have some quart jars lying around that I can make PF style and inoculate.  How many perfect jars would it take to kill this pint jar myth?

After all..  It is a quart jar, not a pint.. this has to be the example to the extreme.  I have done it before with spores, I don't see how I can fail with a liquid culture.


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    #21960851 - 07/18/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I've got a great one.

Myth: You can judge a mushrooms potency or "type of trip" visually.

Myth part B: Mushroom genetics determine whether it will cause bad trips or good trips.




What do you think of this MikeBearPig and EatYuAlive?



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    #21960855 - 07/18/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

People are still under the impression mushroom genetics cause bad trips? :doublefacepalm:


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    #21960862 - 07/18/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

People are still under the impression that set and settings cause good or bad trips?  :patlal:


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    #21960869 - 07/18/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Arg! you are still on about that?


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    #21960876 - 07/18/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21960891 - 07/18/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I've got a great one.

Myth: You can judge a mushrooms potency or "type of trip" visually.

Myth part B: Mushroom genetics determine whether it will cause bad trips or good trips.




What do you think of this MikeBearPig and EatYuAlive?



Oh yeah... And it's not really cultivation related but the lemon tek is a stupid myth.






You can't make anything a truth that the only data you have to support it is personal empirical evidence. Trip's are what they are, how ever there is some truth to genetics causing bad trips.. It just has nothing to do with the genetics causing the bad trip.

Let me clarify.. I handed out some PE to a friend and told them they were potent.  He told me that he has been doing mushrooms for 13 years and he will be fine.  He ate 1 gram and had a bad trip.. His reason?  "I only ate 1g, I was not expecting how potent it was"  This reason caused him to have a bad trip..

So in the randomness of the universe, some mushrooms will be stronger and people will be too comfortable.  More psilocybin = higher % chance of having a bad trip.




About the Lemon TEK myth, I will clarify this and explain it.. I can't believe I forgot it. 

Myth : Adding lemon juice converts the psilocin to psilocybin.

Truth *THIS WILL BE ALTERED*7/18/2015 : Nothing happens as far as converting.  Hot water is enough to extract the alkaloids out of mushrooms.  It is how all the company's that make tonics out of medicinal ones operate.  So as far as the lemon juice helping to extract it from the mushrooms might be far fetched, however the lemon juice does help the active alkaloids to not oxidize as fast in response to being in water. 

Primal soup can chime in, he is the expert on this, but this is the information I have gathered and I am more than happy with calling this ok.  If somebody has something to add, please let me know  I am putting this one in with the certainty of me altering it to reflect information that I might have overlooked. 

If you do choose to argue this, please make sure you are not parroting old information around.


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    #21960907 - 07/18/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Also, for people not believing about noobs and overpriced spores

I will edit the page with it also

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7961125


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    #21960929 - 07/18/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Higher dose = more chance of a bad trip is an opinion.

Muda will disagree with that. He says when you're under the influence of a 28g trip, you're so far gone the trip is actually easier in a way. Instead of having some bearing on reality, its easier to be deep in the rabbit hole.


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    #21960936 - 07/18/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Higher dose = more chance of a bad trip is an opinion.

Muda will disagree with that. He says when you're under the influence of a 28g trip, you're so far gone the trip is actually easier in a way. Instead of having some bearing on reality, its easier to be deep in the rabbit hole.





Well.. Muda is Muda.  Some people can operate with drugs in there system with no problem.. Some people flip out if they hit a joint.

I just ate a 500mg brownie, I plan on going on a walk and cleaning my house.  Most people fail with 2 doses of potent edibles..  100mg and they are throwing up and pass out.  I love the Korova 1000mg Brownies too.. I just would never recommend anybody to eat one unless they can eat a 200 first.

It would be very wrong of us to go around telling new people to eat a dry ounce on their first outing, as fun as it sounds.:n00bslayer:


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    #21960948 - 07/18/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Who in their right mind would suggest a dry oz for a first trip?
:freshwtf:

I'm pretty sure hes eaten like 40-60g too :ilold:
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    #21960956 - 07/18/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

there is another one out there called "stargazers" and "wikidzon".

wikidzon was an isolate of pacific exotic spora amazon. pesa cubensis. this was renamed wikidzon when limeade the guy who isolated it gave it the name for his wifes omc tag "wikid" +"amazon"=wikidzon. its a pesa. maybe its good genetics. but its simply pesa.


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    #21960960 - 07/18/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

just fyi... I recently bought the ultimate special.... (40 strains total)

Grew em all out and they all look identical and not only that... the potency was all the same.

Here's to vendors ripping us off!! :toast:



(each cake is a different strain)


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    #21960966 - 07/18/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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there is another one out there called "stargazers" and "wikidzon".

wikidzon was an isolate of pacific exotic spora amazon. pesa cubensis. this was renamed wikidzon when limeade the guy who isolated it gave it the name for his wifes omc tag "wikid" +"amazon"=wikidzon. its a pesa. maybe its good genetics. but its simply pesa.




Star gazers were on the list, I added wikidzon with your description.


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    #21960979 - 07/18/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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just fyi... I recently bought the ultimate special.... (40 strains total)

Grew em all out and they all look identical and not only that... the potency was all the same.

Here's to vendors ripping us off!! :toast:



(each cake is a different strain)






If you are actually serious, I will post it under the topic.  I need clarification of it's authenticity though.

Also , Can you please PM me the vendors name if this turns out to be real?


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    #21960993 - 07/18/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

pm sent....

and yeah i'm dead serious.


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    #21961014 - 07/18/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

btw... if any of yall have a print of the wz or stargazers I would love to trade :begger:


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    #21961130 - 07/18/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The stalling appears to be caused by a lack of gas exchange reaching the bottom either due to the expansion of the mycelium above it or from the compression of the substrate. I already know using an LC prevents the problem and I suspect increasing the amount of spore solution used so more reaches the bottom and colonization starts there earlier might help when using taller jars but that's speculation. Even though I'm not positive why it happens there's no doubt it happens. I don't just mean IME, I see it happen all the time to other people and when they come on asking for help. The only way I know of for sure to prevent it is to follow the tek, which says use short half-pints, and I don't know of any instances where the problem continued after they do.


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    #21961167 - 07/18/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The stalling appears to be caused by a lack of gas exchange reaching the bottom either due to the expansion of the mycelium above it or from the compression of the substrate. I already know using an LC prevents the problem and I suspect increasing the amount of spore solution used so more reaches the bottom and colonization starts there earlier might help when using taller jars but that's speculation. Even though I'm not positive why it happens there's no doubt it happens. I don't just mean IME, I see it happen all the time to other people and when they come on asking for help. The only way I know of for sure to prevent it is to follow the tek, which says use short half-pints, and I don't know of any instances where the problem continued after they do.





I need a quick way to sum this up..

Do you think it it is user failure or a myth?

User failure would be.. Not enough water.  too much brf.. Too much water.. Solution not going down the side.. Stuff like this?

It's either a myth or people create this problem by not following the TEK.


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    #21961896 - 07/18/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well I suppose following the PF tek and using the wrong jars in itself could be considered user failure. I don't believe using the tall jars will always cause problems and there are probably variations of the original tek that work fine with other jars. For example if you're using a LC, more than 1/4cc spore solution, flipping your jars upsidedown, using vermiculite with a different coarseness, changing the recipe, or anything like that would be a variation as it deviates from the original tek and there's no guarantee the problem will still apply.


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    #21962347 - 07/18/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well I suppose following the PF tek and using the wrong jars in itself could be considered user failure. I don't believe using the tall jars will always cause problems and there are probably variations of the original tek that work fine with other jars. For example if you're using a LC, more than 1/4cc spore solution, flipping your jars upsidedown, using vermiculite with a different coarseness, changing the recipe, or anything like that would be a variation as it deviates from the original tek and there's no guarantee the problem will still apply.





If you want to put more information in this paragraph explaining this issue only the way you can, it would mean a lot to us.  I will just put yours as the true.


Here's a myth..  When you are new to cultivation, you should grow pf tek first.

This could not be more far off.. In fact, it's like going to law school to be a fire fighter.  None of the parts after inoculation are the same as bulk.  The maintenance a SGFC takes is absurd in comparison to a mono tub. 

How safe you have to be with the jars during every phase, how careful inoculation is and how susceptible BRF is to contamination..  The birthing, the rolling, the misting, the worrying.. the yield..THE TIME.... It's just not worth it. 

Getting a few jars, some micro-pour tape and a pressure cooker and you are on your way to bulk.


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    #21962398 - 07/18/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I skipped the pf tek and went to bulk. First grow was 2 MS monos .

There's a lot of people on here that did the same thing as me.


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I skipped the pf tek and went to bulk. First grow was 2 MS monos .

There's a lot of people on here that did the same thing as me.




Yes, but as a new reader here.. You are usually pressured into trying the PF tek first.  I think only in the past year or so, people have been choosing to tell people over bulk.  There still is a ton of posts out there saying go PF tek first.  From the amount of contamination posts and improperly built SGFC.. People just don't read it through well enough and the amount of information is overbearing when starting this hobby. 

This is my experience when I joined the community. I was quickly shuttled into the PF tek, most likely the SGFC was invented so we can just link 2 things to new people and shut them up.  That's how it felt at least, almost like you had to prove yourself with a PF grow first or something.

Maybe It's not a myth.. I do believe doing bulk first and never doing PF tek is the way to go though.


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    #21962424 - 07/18/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I went against the advice of everyone that talked me, LOL.

kept trying to get me to do the damn pf tek.

I knew I would only move to bulk as soon as I could, so why the fuck would I waste my time learning the pf tek if I'm just gonna move on after a grow or two.


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    #21962428 - 07/18/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Because pf tek is perfect for personal use and people not willing to put a lot into the hobby. You can get a sgfc and a fair amount of jars for under 50$. No pc needed.

However I never did it, and still haven't :evil:


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I went against the advice of everyone that talked me, LOL.

kept trying to get me to do the damn pf tek.

I knew I would only move to bulk as soon as I could, so why the fuck would I waste my time learning the pf tek if I'm just gonna move on after a grow or two.





You see though, you were one of the strong ones. Most fall into that trap.  You experienced what I and everyone else does.  Let's just come out in the open and say do bulk :smile:


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    #21962467 - 07/18/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ehh, I'll still advise noobs to go with pf tek on occasion.
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Ehh, I'll still advise noobs to go with pf tek on occasion.
It all depends what they're trying to get out of this hobby.




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I don't get what you are trying to say.


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Ehh, I'll still advise noobs to go with pf tek on occasion.
It all depends what they're trying to get out of this hobby.




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    #21979577 - 07/22/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Fuzzy feet only happen due to lack of FAE.

I have personally seen this happen on at least 1-10 mushrooms out of every one of my grows.  I know it is not lack of FAE in my situation.  So, is fuzzy feet genetic as well as lack of FAE?

Discuss.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21979749 - 07/22/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Fuzzy feet only happen due to lack of FAE.

I have personally seen this happen on at least 1-10 mushrooms out of every one of my grows.  I know it is not lack of FAE in my situation.  So, is fuzzy feet genetic as well as lack of FAE?

Discuss.




I believe it's a combination of both. Most of the time fuzzy feet is due to a lack of FAE but how much FAE is more than likely a product of genetics. Some strains may need more oxygen than others while some strains might be able to tolerate higher co2 levels.


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    #21979787 - 07/22/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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MikeBearPig said:
Fuzzy feet only happen due to lack of FAE.

I have personally seen this happen on at least 1-10 mushrooms out of every one of my grows.  I know it is not lack of FAE in my situation.  So, is fuzzy feet genetic as well as lack of FAE?

Discuss.




I believe it's a combination of both. Most of the time fuzzy feet is due to a lack of FAE but how much FAE is more than likely a product of genetics. Some strains may need more oxygen than others while some strains might be able to tolerate higher co2 levels.





Very good response!  Adding it.


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    #21979930 - 07/22/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I had a person once tell me that if you shined a flashlight on magic mushrooms they'd go back underground... :rofl2:
I wad like :lolwut:


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    #21979935 - 07/22/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I had a person once tell me that if you shined a flashlight on magic mushrooms they'd go back underground... :rofl2:
I wad like :lolwut:




While not making my list of false, this is still incredibly funny.  Too much Don't Starve.


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    #21983035 - 07/23/15 02:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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IISkuNkII said:
I had a person once tell me that if you shined a flashlight on magic mushrooms they'd go back underground... :rofl2:
I wad like :lolwut:



Ridiculous. It simply causes them to collapse into a micro black hole converting them to radiation.:awesomenod:


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    #21983085 - 07/23/15 03:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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IISkuNkII said:
I had a person once tell me that if you shined a flashlight on magic mushrooms they'd go back underground... :rofl2:
I wad like :lolwut:



Ridiculous. It simply causes them to collapse into a micro black hole converting them to radiation.:awesomenod:



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