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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960929 - 07/18/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Higher dose = more chance of a bad trip is an opinion.

Muda will disagree with that. He says when you're under the influence of a 28g trip, you're so far gone the trip is actually easier in a way. Instead of having some bearing on reality, its easier to be deep in the rabbit hole.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Buck513]
    #21960936 - 07/18/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Higher dose = more chance of a bad trip is an opinion.

Muda will disagree with that. He says when you're under the influence of a 28g trip, you're so far gone the trip is actually easier in a way. Instead of having some bearing on reality, its easier to be deep in the rabbit hole.





Well.. Muda is Muda.  Some people can operate with drugs in there system with no problem.. Some people flip out if they hit a joint.

I just ate a 500mg brownie, I plan on going on a walk and cleaning my house.  Most people fail with 2 doses of potent edibles..  100mg and they are throwing up and pass out.  I love the Korova 1000mg Brownies too.. I just would never recommend anybody to eat one unless they can eat a 200 first.

It would be very wrong of us to go around telling new people to eat a dry ounce on their first outing, as fun as it sounds.:n00bslayer:


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960948 - 07/18/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Who in their right mind would suggest a dry oz for a first trip?
:freshwtf:

I'm pretty sure hes eaten like 40-60g too :ilold:
I'll wait for his clarification.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960956 - 07/18/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

there is another one out there called "stargazers" and "wikidzon".

wikidzon was an isolate of pacific exotic spora amazon. pesa cubensis. this was renamed wikidzon when limeade the guy who isolated it gave it the name for his wifes omc tag "wikid" +"amazon"=wikidzon. its a pesa. maybe its good genetics. but its simply pesa.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960960 - 07/18/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

just fyi... I recently bought the ultimate special.... (40 strains total)

Grew em all out and they all look identical and not only that... the potency was all the same.

Here's to vendors ripping us off!! :toast:



(each cake is a different strain)


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: eatyualive]
    #21960966 - 07/18/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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there is another one out there called "stargazers" and "wikidzon".

wikidzon was an isolate of pacific exotic spora amazon. pesa cubensis. this was renamed wikidzon when limeade the guy who isolated it gave it the name for his wifes omc tag "wikid" +"amazon"=wikidzon. its a pesa. maybe its good genetics. but its simply pesa.




Star gazers were on the list, I added wikidzon with your description.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21960979 - 07/18/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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just fyi... I recently bought the ultimate special.... (40 strains total)

Grew em all out and they all look identical and not only that... the potency was all the same.

Here's to vendors ripping us off!! :toast:



(each cake is a different strain)






If you are actually serious, I will post it under the topic.  I need clarification of it's authenticity though.

Also , Can you please PM me the vendors name if this turns out to be real?


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960993 - 07/18/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

pm sent....

and yeah i'm dead serious.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21961014 - 07/18/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

btw... if any of yall have a print of the wz or stargazers I would love to trade :begger:


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21961130 - 07/18/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The stalling appears to be caused by a lack of gas exchange reaching the bottom either due to the expansion of the mycelium above it or from the compression of the substrate. I already know using an LC prevents the problem and I suspect increasing the amount of spore solution used so more reaches the bottom and colonization starts there earlier might help when using taller jars but that's speculation. Even though I'm not positive why it happens there's no doubt it happens. I don't just mean IME, I see it happen all the time to other people and when they come on asking for help. The only way I know of for sure to prevent it is to follow the tek, which says use short half-pints, and I don't know of any instances where the problem continued after they do.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Kizzle]
    #21961167 - 07/18/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The stalling appears to be caused by a lack of gas exchange reaching the bottom either due to the expansion of the mycelium above it or from the compression of the substrate. I already know using an LC prevents the problem and I suspect increasing the amount of spore solution used so more reaches the bottom and colonization starts there earlier might help when using taller jars but that's speculation. Even though I'm not positive why it happens there's no doubt it happens. I don't just mean IME, I see it happen all the time to other people and when they come on asking for help. The only way I know of for sure to prevent it is to follow the tek, which says use short half-pints, and I don't know of any instances where the problem continued after they do.





I need a quick way to sum this up..

Do you think it it is user failure or a myth?

User failure would be.. Not enough water.  too much brf.. Too much water.. Solution not going down the side.. Stuff like this?

It's either a myth or people create this problem by not following the TEK.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21961896 - 07/18/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well I suppose following the PF tek and using the wrong jars in itself could be considered user failure. I don't believe using the tall jars will always cause problems and there are probably variations of the original tek that work fine with other jars. For example if you're using a LC, more than 1/4cc spore solution, flipping your jars upsidedown, using vermiculite with a different coarseness, changing the recipe, or anything like that would be a variation as it deviates from the original tek and there's no guarantee the problem will still apply.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Kizzle]
    #21962347 - 07/18/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well I suppose following the PF tek and using the wrong jars in itself could be considered user failure. I don't believe using the tall jars will always cause problems and there are probably variations of the original tek that work fine with other jars. For example if you're using a LC, more than 1/4cc spore solution, flipping your jars upsidedown, using vermiculite with a different coarseness, changing the recipe, or anything like that would be a variation as it deviates from the original tek and there's no guarantee the problem will still apply.





If you want to put more information in this paragraph explaining this issue only the way you can, it would mean a lot to us.  I will just put yours as the true.


Here's a myth..  When you are new to cultivation, you should grow pf tek first.

This could not be more far off.. In fact, it's like going to law school to be a fire fighter.  None of the parts after inoculation are the same as bulk.  The maintenance a SGFC takes is absurd in comparison to a mono tub. 

How safe you have to be with the jars during every phase, how careful inoculation is and how susceptible BRF is to contamination..  The birthing, the rolling, the misting, the worrying.. the yield..THE TIME.... It's just not worth it. 

Getting a few jars, some micro-pour tape and a pressure cooker and you are on your way to bulk.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21962398 - 07/18/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I skipped the pf tek and went to bulk. First grow was 2 MS monos .

There's a lot of people on here that did the same thing as me.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Buck513]
    #21962418 - 07/18/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I skipped the pf tek and went to bulk. First grow was 2 MS monos .

There's a lot of people on here that did the same thing as me.




Yes, but as a new reader here.. You are usually pressured into trying the PF tek first.  I think only in the past year or so, people have been choosing to tell people over bulk.  There still is a ton of posts out there saying go PF tek first.  From the amount of contamination posts and improperly built SGFC.. People just don't read it through well enough and the amount of information is overbearing when starting this hobby. 

This is my experience when I joined the community. I was quickly shuttled into the PF tek, most likely the SGFC was invented so we can just link 2 things to new people and shut them up.  That's how it felt at least, almost like you had to prove yourself with a PF grow first or something.

Maybe It's not a myth.. I do believe doing bulk first and never doing PF tek is the way to go though.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21962424 - 07/18/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I went against the advice of everyone that talked me, LOL.

kept trying to get me to do the damn pf tek.

I knew I would only move to bulk as soon as I could, so why the fuck would I waste my time learning the pf tek if I'm just gonna move on after a grow or two.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21962428 - 07/18/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Because pf tek is perfect for personal use and people not willing to put a lot into the hobby. You can get a sgfc and a fair amount of jars for under 50$. No pc needed.

However I never did it, and still haven't :evil:


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Buck513]
    #21962459 - 07/18/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I went against the advice of everyone that talked me, LOL.

kept trying to get me to do the damn pf tek.

I knew I would only move to bulk as soon as I could, so why the fuck would I waste my time learning the pf tek if I'm just gonna move on after a grow or two.





You see though, you were one of the strong ones. Most fall into that trap.  You experienced what I and everyone else does.  Let's just come out in the open and say do bulk :smile:


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21962467 - 07/18/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ehh, I'll still advise noobs to go with pf tek on occasion.
It all depends what they're trying to get out of this hobby.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Buck513]
    #21962470 - 07/18/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Ehh, I'll still advise noobs to go with pf tek on occasion.
It all depends what they're trying to get out of this hobby.




I can understand that.


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