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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960560 - 07/18/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If it has water and GE, it will colonize regardless on the size of the container.





:justno:

not at all. compression is real. same is anaerobic environments.

I was here yesterday, thread went just fine. "why its always us" is more something
in your head because you seem more willing to discuss persona than topic.

Read through this thread again and see where it went off. do the same with your other main threads. come back enlightened and hopefully a little less bastant and all caps-lock-y.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
    #21960589 - 07/18/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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MikeBearPig said:
If it has water and GE, it will colonize regardless on the size of the container.





:justno:

not at all. compression is real. same is anaerobic environments.

I was here yesterday, thread went just fine. "why its always us" is more something
in your head because you seem more willing to discuss persona than topic.

Read through this thread again and see where it went off. do the same with your other main threads. come back enlightened and hopefully a little less bastant and all caps-lock-y.




It was a bit much to say regardless of the size.  I was referring to any container we would actually use for this hobby is just fine and it is.

Also, you are in a disagreement with EUA.  Needless to say, I would never even go there.  Tall jars are fine, nothing you 2 say will change the first page of this thread.

Move on and discuss other things please.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
    #21960614 - 07/18/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if this thread is just going to be you playing dictator over whats discussion worthy or not
and have some sort of "final say" in what you think will be a myth or facts bible
I dont think I wanna be in this thread. free fuckin speech man, just because you dont like my points doesnt mean you can stop me from making them :shrug:


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
    #21960616 - 07/18/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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if this thread is just going to be you playing dictator over whats discussion worthy or not
and have some sort of "final say" in what you think will be a myth or facts bible
I dont think I wanna be in this thread. free fuckin speech man, just because you dont like my points doesnt mean you can stop me from making them :shrug:




I actually really liked one of you points and edited the main page already..

I just don't like the points that make no sense.

It is my thread.  If you do not like what it's said here or done, feel free to leave and never post on any thread i make again. You or what you bring to the table won't be missed.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960731 - 07/18/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

its not your thread any more than a baby owns the stroller it sits in.
you didnt make it, you didnt pay for it, you didnt even fuckin color it.
its the shroomery man, not the mikery.

just go through your main threads and see what other people say about trying to interact with you. maybe it can help put things in perspective for ya :shrug:


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
    #21960755 - 07/18/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't care.

I do not need people to like me on the internet.  The only purpose of this thread is to clarify information, not to stroke your ego and agree with all the bullshit you spout.  People's feelings getting hurt is part of the process of finding the truth.  I really don't care if you or others get offended when presented with conflicting information.  It's part of life getting your ideals shattered and replaced.




If you would just go to my message box and see how many people hate you and bod, maybe it would help put things into perspective for you.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960770 - 07/18/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I can see you didn't read through your threads. its not about how good info you have with bad attitude dude. at all.
its about how you cant stand being spoken against.

people get butthurt all the time. I know there's a concentration of people who get especially butthurt and I'm not at all surprised they pm you about it.
go buy a cream and toughen up.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
    #21960777 - 07/18/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Because you 2 idiots show up to every thread.. that anybody makes .. and try to argue the thread into chaos.

If you see a thread that says I made it, it is surly a sign that says fuck off you are not welcome :smile:  You will be treated as so as long as you continue to be you.

Maybe you and Bod can team up and go searching for full canopies with his microscope :smile:


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960802 - 07/18/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I can post wherever I choose to and now I choose not to entertain you anymore with this as I'm sure we both have better things to do.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo] * 1
    #21960808 - 07/18/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:facepalm: seal of approval.

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Why is it always You two?



these two always call people trolls but are the true trolls of the boards.

needing to post a comment on every thread, post padding, constantly pushing members away. its obvious, the constant need to prove something with these two is strong. obviously they both know it all and have to comment on every post.

the best part is talking so much. but never showing any grows.

post em up. sick of hearing you spew bs.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: eatyualive] * 1
    #21960815 - 07/18/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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eatyualive said:
:facepalm: seal of approval.

Quote:

MikeBearPig said:

Why is it always You two?



these two always call people trolls but are the true trolls of the boards.

needing to post a comment on every thread, post padding, constantly pushing members away. its obvious, the constant need to prove something with these two is strong. obviously they both know it all and have to comment on every post.

the best part is talking so much. but never showing any grows.

post em up. sick of hearing you spew bs.




This is why I dislike both of you.. I can't say it this politely.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960836 - 07/18/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Because you stay stupid shit :shrug: it may always be "us two" but for us you're the 0.05% of people on here that we would ever have a small problem with

If bad advice is bad advice then tall jars are bad advice but not a myth




It's a myth jars will stall if they are tall..

It's not a myth that wide mouths work better.

If it has water and GE, it will colonize regardless on the size of the container.



I don't know how to explain this any better.

Human error accounts for this myth, not the jar.  Accept it and move on.



Even though it doesn't happen all the time I'm not convinced it's strictly a matter of human error. In fact it's for that very reason I don't think it's strictly human error. I've had batches of jars made and inoculated the exact same way and a minority of them seem to stall just before full colonization with no indication of contamination before or after birthing (and removing the uncolonized substrate from the bottom). In any case it would be more accurate to say the tall half-pint jars as well as pint jars are more prone to stalling when using the PF tek.

Myth: Foil needs to be removed immediately after taking jars out of the PC or the filter remains damp and cause contamination.

I can confirm that the filters sometimes remain a little damp but they also remain sterile so it doesn't matter. I often have jars with foil on for a couple days before I inoculate, I've even had control jars sit with foil on for a couple weeks while the others colonize and then inoculate them and they're just fine so long as the foil is still on tightly with no tears or anything.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Kizzle]
    #21960850 - 07/18/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Because you stay stupid shit :shrug: it may always be "us two" but for us you're the 0.05% of people on here that we would ever have a small problem with

If bad advice is bad advice then tall jars are bad advice but not a myth




It's a myth jars will stall if they are tall..

It's not a myth that wide mouths work better.

If it has water and GE, it will colonize regardless on the size of the container.



I don't know how to explain this any better.

Human error accounts for this myth, not the jar.  Accept it and move on.



Even though it doesn't happen all the time I'm not convinced it's strictly a matter of human error. In fact it's for that very reason I don't think it's strictly human error. I've had batches of jars made and inoculated the exact same way and a minority of them seem to stall just before full colonization with no indication of contamination before or after birthing (and removing the uncolonized substrate from the bottom). In any case it would be more accurate to say the tall half-pint jars as well as pint jars are more prone to stalling when using the PF tek.

Myth: Foil needs to be removed immediately after taking jars out of the PC or the filter remains damp and cause contamination.

I can confirm that the filters sometimes remain a little damp but they also remain sterile so it doesn't matter. I often have jars with foil on for a couple days before I inoculate, I've even had control jars sit with foil on for a couple weeks while the others colonize and then inoculate them and they're just fine so long as the foil is still on tightly with no tears or anything.





Ok.  So, now that we have conflicting evidence of some sort.. We have to come to some other agreement why they stall.

Do you think this is from what space was trying to say?  Compression?

Like, accidental compression that leads to stalling?  It would make sense why, if you put it down too hard, the taller jar would have more weight on top.



Also about the foil.  Your examples would of been the extreme case as well.  Leaving the foil on after the PC cycle would be the worst time to leave it on.  After it has been removed and replaced back over, there is going to be a negligible amount of moisture left because of air flow. 


I have an idea. 

I have some quart jars lying around that I can make PF style and inoculate.  How many perfect jars would it take to kill this pint jar myth?

After all..  It is a quart jar, not a pint.. this has to be the example to the extreme.  I have done it before with spores, I don't see how I can fail with a liquid culture.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: OPB]
    #21960851 - 07/18/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I've got a great one.

Myth: You can judge a mushrooms potency or "type of trip" visually.

Myth part B: Mushroom genetics determine whether it will cause bad trips or good trips.




What do you think of this MikeBearPig and EatYuAlive?



Oh yeah... And it's not really cultivation related but the lemon tek is a stupid myth.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21960855 - 07/18/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

People are still under the impression mushroom genetics cause bad trips? :doublefacepalm:


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Buck513]
    #21960862 - 07/18/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

People are still under the impression that set and settings cause good or bad trips?  :patlal:


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    #21960869 - 07/18/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Arg! you are still on about that?


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Mad Season]
    #21960876 - 07/18/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

lol....    :teehee:


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21960891 - 07/18/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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OPB said:
I've got a great one.

Myth: You can judge a mushrooms potency or "type of trip" visually.

Myth part B: Mushroom genetics determine whether it will cause bad trips or good trips.




What do you think of this MikeBearPig and EatYuAlive?



Oh yeah... And it's not really cultivation related but the lemon tek is a stupid myth.






You can't make anything a truth that the only data you have to support it is personal empirical evidence. Trip's are what they are, how ever there is some truth to genetics causing bad trips.. It just has nothing to do with the genetics causing the bad trip.

Let me clarify.. I handed out some PE to a friend and told them they were potent.  He told me that he has been doing mushrooms for 13 years and he will be fine.  He ate 1 gram and had a bad trip.. His reason?  "I only ate 1g, I was not expecting how potent it was"  This reason caused him to have a bad trip..

So in the randomness of the universe, some mushrooms will be stronger and people will be too comfortable.  More psilocybin = higher % chance of having a bad trip.




About the Lemon TEK myth, I will clarify this and explain it.. I can't believe I forgot it. 

Myth : Adding lemon juice converts the psilocin to psilocybin.

Truth *THIS WILL BE ALTERED*7/18/2015 : Nothing happens as far as converting.  Hot water is enough to extract the alkaloids out of mushrooms.  It is how all the company's that make tonics out of medicinal ones operate.  So as far as the lemon juice helping to extract it from the mushrooms might be far fetched, however the lemon juice does help the active alkaloids to not oxidize as fast in response to being in water. 

Primal soup can chime in, he is the expert on this, but this is the information I have gathered and I am more than happy with calling this ok.  If somebody has something to add, please let me know  I am putting this one in with the certainty of me altering it to reflect information that I might have overlooked. 

If you do choose to argue this, please make sure you are not parroting old information around.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960907 - 07/18/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Also, for people not believing about noobs and overpriced spores

I will edit the page with it also

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7961125


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