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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960412 - 07/18/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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growth starts high up in jar = stall. growth starts on bottom = no stall.



this is true about growth in the bottom. inject to the edge of the glass so the solution drips down to the bottom, then growth is from bottom up. ive never had stalling in tall jars. if you inject them following the pf tek it works perfectly. if the pf tek mix is slightly dry it will absorb the solution more and you won't get the solution to trickle down to the bottom. if the mix is right, it slides right down the edge of the glass.

see foil not even removed. but lids have holes in them. if filters are used, foil is removed.



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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960416 - 07/18/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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All I've ever used for cakes are the tall jars... But it doesn't take much thought power to notice that 9/10 times a kid has trouble with a pf TEK the tall jar is a common denominator. Same with the foil for pf TEK. One way emerged as a on average better way its not like we removed the foil to decrease our chances...





Exactly... We always try to place the blame anywhere but ourselves..





I made 50 cakes with tall jars and a free with quart jars.. None stalled


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960422 - 07/18/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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it's surely not the jar though.




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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960429 - 07/18/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It is the jar even though you can do it. It's not as easy you have to adjust to do it successfully in the ta jar. Having to adjust just to get it to work = inferior.

So while you can make the jar work its like choosing a fat prostitute when you can have a hot one for the same price.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: eatyualive]
    #21960433 - 07/18/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

well I cant say for 1/4" holes and pf-tek but the standard puncture holes the tek calls for does not like foil. dry verm stays wet as stated.

if your jars are short there's less distance for the spore solution to go to reach the bottom.

You gotta remember new culters dont use SABs like we do, we've learned to relax and do it smooth
while newbies sweat and have a hard time seeing through the fogged sab walls in their bathrooms.
I've seen countless of jars where colonization starts in the top half of short jars even, but the sub doesnt get (too) compressed as the jars as shorter.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
    #21960440 - 07/18/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Stick shift cars are not inferior but they are inferior for a first time driver especially if the driver is an Asian girl and most of our noobs are Asian girls when it comes to driving a PF TEK.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
    #21960446 - 07/18/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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well I cant say for 1/4" holes and pf-tek but the standard puncture holes the tek calls for does not like foil. dry verm stays wet as stated.

if your jars are short there's less distance for the spore solution to go to reach the bottom.

You gotta remember new culters dont use SABs like we do, we've learned to relax and do it smooth
while newbies sweat and have a hard time seeing through the fogged sab walls in their bathrooms.
I've seen countless of jars where colonization starts in the top half of short jars even, but the sub doesnt get (too) compressed as the jars as shorter.







Again, everything you said is ok and somewhat true.. It's not the jar, it's the user.

Only thing I disagree with is the hole size.  As long as there is a hole Ge, they will be fine, foil or not .


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960454 - 07/18/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

but if the user fucks up on short jars he's still fine, if the user fucks up on tall jars he's not.
thats why we suggest short jars for new users.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21960470 - 07/18/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It is the jar even though you can do it. It's not as easy you have to adjust to do it successfully in the ta jar. Having to adjust just to get it to work = inferior.

So while you can make the jar work its like choosing a fat prostitute when you can have a hot one for the same price.



you don't have to adjust anything. its following the pf tek inoculation. not everyone can find wide mouth jars locally. its a different jar but the same inoculation method  used.

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In this photo, the needle tip can be seen resting against the inside surface of the jar. Then, when the solution is injected, it will run down the side of glass, giving an even inoculation. It is 




original pf tek

when you inject down the side of the glass it evenly distributes the inoculation. what was modified? nothing. were talking about jar inoculation not cars.

if the pf mix was made slightly dry, you won't get an even inoculation. if the mix has the correct moisture content. the inoculation works perfectly with no adjustments needed.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
    #21960488 - 07/18/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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but if the user fucks up on short jars he's still fine, if the user fucks up on tall jars he's not.
thats why we suggest short jars for new users.





We are here to clarify myths, not give advice on growing or rewrite TEK's.
We still fully understand that you should follow the original TEK to the T and use wide mouth.  We are just here to clarify that using tall jars is fine.

Most of the stall's are user error and have no business being factual or spread around as good information.

If you do not nave anything useful to add, then don't respond to this thread anymore.





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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960491 - 07/18/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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but if the user fucks up on short jars he's still fine, if the user fucks up on tall jars he's not.
thats why we suggest short jars for new users.





We are here to clarify myths, not give advice on growing.






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Stick shift cars are not inferior but they are inferior for a first time driver especially if the driver is an Asian girl and most of our noobs are Asian girls when it comes to driving a PF TEK.



:lmafo: don't let those crazy asian girls drive. i know my crazy asian girl can't drive.

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It is the jar even though you can do it. It's not as easy you have to adjust to do it successfully in the ta jar. Having to adjust just to get it to work = inferior.

So while you can make the jar work its like choosing a fat prostitute when you can have a hot one for the same price.



if you can't find the wide mouth pf jars locally.(depends on location) your not paying the same price. your paying shipping. if your budget is limited, you have to use whats available. in this location, wide mouth jars were not available for the last 12 years. they finally began carrying them locally. but where i last lived, they never carried wide mouth. if someone needs 2 boxes of jars. these days shipping weight is expensive. unless you are lucky enough to find a place that has free shipping.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: eatyualive]
    #21960508 - 07/18/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well if we want to be that retarded then lets.

Myth: you have to heat the whole room not the FC. Bullshit I've seen cubes grow on heating pad terarriums so its not a myth

I've seen cubes grow in the dark. Myth about light busted.

Etc... If you want t to take it to the point of sounding like an idiot we can play that game too


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: eatyualive]
    #21960511 - 07/18/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I never heard liners NEEDED to be cut, I just sometimes cut mine so the bags not hanging over onto the substrate


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960512 - 07/18/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

wtf? that was clearing up myths/facts.

its a fact tall jars stalls more often than short jars do for new growers.

if you cant handle discussion stop making threads that encourage discussion. we wont all think the same as you do and you need to learn to accept it.


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    #21960522 - 07/18/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well if we want to be that retarded then lets.

Myth: you have to heat the whole room not the FC. Bullshit I've seen cubes grow on heating pad terarriums so its not a myth

I've seen cubes grow in the dark. Myth about light busted.

Etc... If you want t to take it to the point of sounding like an idiot we can play that game too




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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21960528 - 07/18/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well if we want to be that retarded then lets.

Myth: you have to heat the whole room not the FC. Bullshit I've seen cubes grow on heating pad terarriums so its not a myth

I've seen cubes grow in the dark. Myth about light busted.

Etc... If you want t to take it to the point of sounding like an idiot we can play that game too





Nobody claims mushrooms cannot be grown with out light

And heating the whole room instead of a heating pad.. there is no myth here.  Just good advice vs bad advice.  I am sure both will work, just 1 works better :smile:


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21960529 - 07/18/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Because you stay stupid shit :shrug: it may always be "us two" but for us you're the 0.05% of people on here that we would ever have a small problem with

If bad advice is bad advice then tall jars are bad advice but not a myth


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21960537 - 07/18/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Because you stay stupid shit :shrug: it may always be "us two" but for us you're the 0.05% of people on here that we would ever have a small problem with

If bad advice is bad advice then tall jars are bad advice but not a myth




It's a myth jars will stall if they are tall..

It's not a myth that wide mouths work better.

If it has water and GE, it will colonize regardless on the size of the container.



I don't know how to explain this any better.

Human error accounts for this myth, not the jar.  Accept it and move on.


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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21960541 - 07/18/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well if we want to be that retarded then lets.

Myth: you have to heat the whole room not the FC. Bullshit I've seen cubes grow on heating pad terarriums so its not a myth

I've seen cubes grow in the dark. Myth about light busted.

Etc... If you want t to take it to the point of sounding like an idiot we can play that game too



so are you telling newbs they are shit out of luck because they can't find wide mouth 1/2 pint jars? come on now. we todd did.


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    #21960553 - 07/18/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Because you stay stupid shit :shrug: it may always be "us two" but for us you're the 0.05% of people on here that we would ever have a small problem with

If bad advice is bad advice then tall jars are bad advice but not a myth





You are the .05% who can't seem to rationally figure things out.

Just because you seen tall jar's stalling, it has NO BEARING ON EVERYBODIES OUTCOME and it does not mean tall jars stall.  It's fucking ridiculous to correlate this.

I bet you never seen an experienced grower with a stalled PF jar.  It only happens to new people and it only happens because of user error.

Why is this so hard to accept?


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