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OPB
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21957086 - 07/17/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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OPB said: I've got a great one.
Myth: You can judge a mushrooms potency or "type of trip" visually.
Myth part B: Mushroom genetics determine whether it will cause bad trips or good trips.
This is more for the cultivation myths.
There was one guy who was saying that he has thrown out entire flushes because they didn't look like "good trip" mushrooms. That is cultivation related haha
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: OPB]
#21957126 - 07/17/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh god not that thread. I hid that after calling him a troll. Can't believe he did that. Oh well its just cakes.
Speaking of cakes, another false myth is they have low potency, when in fact it's genetic. 1 cake can be potent af and the other can be shit. That's why you better pray you clone a potent fruit.
Here's another myth that's false as fuck. Misting the walls of any chamber. I can't tell you how many times I tell people not to and just mist the substrate and perlite directly.
On that related note of false shit, no condensation on the walls means you have no humidity, which is also just plain wrong. Condensation means there's a temperature difference. I usually crack the lid and put my hand in to feel if it's humid.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Mad Season]
#21957160 - 07/17/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: bodhisatta]
#21958287 - 07/17/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It was Chron that mentioned coir bricks being pressed at some crazy high temp. However, I did watch a video today of a different machine being used to press 5 kilo bricks using only hydraulics. The ladies loading the machine were just scooping it up off the dirt ground near their bare feet.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Grey]
#21958356 - 07/17/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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O'Reilly grade mushrooms LOLOLOL.
God damn. I cant wait till bills back. I'm gonna pm Him immediately.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Buck513]
#21958482 - 07/17/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Illuminti?
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Buck513]
#21958484 - 07/17/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, after doing an hour's worth of research on Coir and how the compress and blah blah..
It is safe to say there is nothing beneficial about Coir. It does not come with good or bad bacteria.. or specific things to help your garden or what ever you plan to use it on.
UNLESS IT SAYS OTHERWISE
So, assume there is nothing good/bad about Coir unless the packing or manufacture says so.
I would also like to think that, certain types of coir that come from different parts of the world will have different ecosystems.. Some might be more prone to specific types of endospores and other "contaminations" just because of the factory or company who makes them, where the coconuts were harvested and how they were shipped.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21958495 - 07/17/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's probably why people have been finding crap in their eco earth. I find seed shells, but no seed in Zilla coir. Lots of quartz too.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Grey]
#21958525 - 07/17/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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All of my grows are from

Never found shit in it, even if I did, I would just pasteurize it and let the mycelium eat it
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21958553 - 07/17/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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you couldn't pasteurize a grain if there were some in your brick..
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eatyualive
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
#21959740 - 07/18/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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1) What about the myth that liners need to be cut? that one needs to be done away with.
2) The myth that tall regular mouth half pint jars cause stalling.
3) if you use pf jars with autocleaveable lids with foil kept on during colonization it won't hinder ge in the jars at all. but the holes need to be cut 1/4" drill bit. the foil can then be left on if the verm barrier is in place. this is not using any type of filter on the lid.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: eatyualive]
#21960128 - 07/18/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: 1) What about the myth that liners need to be cut? that one needs to be done away with.
2) The myth that tall regular mouth half pint jars cause stalling.
3) if you use pf jars with autocleaveable lids with foil kept on during colonization it won't hinder ge in the jars at all. but the holes need to be cut 1/4" drill bit. the foil can then be left on if the verm barrier is in place. this is not using any type of filter on the lid.
Already covered the GE holes on the PF jars. I still disagree with everybody here, leaving the foil on the lid is better IMO than taking it off.
Even if it created a micro-climate (which I have never seen when I have taken my foil off), You still have a verm barrier. I highly doubt that leaving the foil on your PF jars will create a thriving micro-climate with no nutrients.
People also tried to say, "It will get the verm barrier wet". Well, they are always damp. THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY FOR A PF JAR TO CREATE ENOUGH MOISTURE TO FORM A WATER DROPLET IN THE FOIL
It causes an unnoticeable amount of condensation (you cant even see it).
I am still calling bullshit on removing the foil. It does not sound like it is helpful at all when all you have is your vermiculite barrier.
It has open holes being subjected to the horror's of your house at all times. I would go as far as to say for new people to put a piece of micro-pour tape over all 4 holes.

If you take the foil off and loosely put it back on with out any pressure, it will stop all contamination's from falling into the holes. It won't lose GE, there won't be any moisture, it won't create a microclimate.
Note: I never said it will stop all contamination from going into the holes, but it is SEVERELY reduced since it has to travel up the foil instead of falling onto the lid.
I tried to fold my liners like you, I do like cutting them! It's out there though! Adding #1 and #2 to the list.
Edited by MikeBearPig (07/18/15 11:30 AM)
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21960197 - 07/18/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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the microclimate forms in the verm when it doesnt get to dry up. of course the verm will be moist after a pc/pot run. keep it dry and in place thats how it works the best.
liners must be cut is another one I've never heard before, noobs say the darnest things 
I've seen way too many tall jars stall to think thats a myth. growth starts high up in jar = stall. growth starts on bottom = no stall.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
#21960272 - 07/18/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's not a myth at all. Tall jars can work they are just inferior. Not really a myth though. I get tall ones to work just fine many people have that makes it not a myth right there. It's just a obvious trend over time that one way works way better more often
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: bodhisatta]
#21960369 - 07/18/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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tall jars are not inferior. they both work the same. regular mouth or wide mouth. tested thousands of times. if you inoculate by pointing the tip of a syringe(pf tek) to the edge of the glass either one colonizes from the bottom up at the same rate with the same results.
the reusable autoclave lids are preferred but not necessary.

wrap the foil over the lid better. verm barrier stays dried in jars using the above lids.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: eatyualive]
#21960381 - 07/18/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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All I've ever used for cakes are the tall jars... But it doesn't take much thought power to notice that 9/10 times a kid has trouble with a pf TEK the tall jar is a common denominator. Same with the foil for pf TEK. One way emerged as a on average better way its not like we removed the foil to decrease our chances...
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: bodhisatta]
#21960384 - 07/18/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: the microclimate forms in the verm when it doesnt get to dry up. of course the verm will be moist after a pc/pot run. keep it dry and in place thats how it works the best.
liners must be cut is another one I've never heard before, noobs say the darnest things 
I've seen way too many tall jars stall to think thats a myth. growth starts high up in jar = stall. growth starts on bottom = no stall.
If you look at the truth, I stated that hat stalling might just be bad genetics throwing us through a loop.. I still have not seen any stalled jars in past year. I don't see why the jar would effect colonization.
People make mistakes and we chalk them up to be real.
What if all the stalled pf jars lacked proper field capacity and they were just happening to use tall jars?
We chalk it up to be the jar, I just don't think that's the case at all
I am not denying it does not happen, it it's just not common enough to worry much about it.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: bodhisatta]
#21960388 - 07/18/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: All I've ever used for cakes are the tall jars... But it doesn't take much thought power to notice that 9/10 times a kid has trouble with a pf TEK the tall jar is a common denominator. Same with the foil for pf TEK. One way emerged as a on average better way its not like we removed the foil to decrease our chances...
Exactly... We always try to place the blame anywhere but ourselves..
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21960400 - 07/18/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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genetics so bad they just stop growing? not because of compressed substrate? sounds really weird to me, I've never seen young myc stop growing unless it met some barrier.
the difference is in that most noobs dont get their spore solution down to the bottom of the jar, they are way too busy worrying about spraying lysol in their bathrooms and hurry hurry inoc before it disappates.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
#21960406 - 07/18/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: genetics so bad they just stop growing? not because of compressed substrate? sounds really weird to me, I've never seen young myc stop growing unless it met some barrier.
the difference is in that most noobs dont get their spore solution down to the bottom of the jar, they are way too busy worrying about spraying lysol in their bathrooms and hurry hurry inoc before it disappates.
I don't think it's bad genetics every time, it's surely not the jar though.
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