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spacechildo
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21956491 - 07/17/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: seriously? got a link to no2? that's so fucked its shocking! 
btw you'll always see noobs say foil hinders GE but they dont know what they're saying. they just repeat what they think is true..
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Treant said: I was always under the assumption we removed the foil not for GE, but rather because it creates a micro-climate between the foil an the lid that contams can thrive in.
These are examples of how these "myths" are created. We have all heard something else!
Keep posting information, let's bury all these once and for all.
I made this thread not so much for us, but for the newer people who have to sort through 12 years of this stuff :P
me & treant still heard the same thing but you cant stop noobs from spreading bad info. people come here right from their erowid-tek assisted grows and start spewing bs like early pinning from light etc.
but I've seriously never heard anyone say you cook the sub by adding more than a set no of grain jars. did it even say anything about tub size/total sub mass or just anything above 6qt's is fucked?
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
#21956506 - 07/17/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:
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MikeBearPig said:
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spacechildo said: seriously? got a link to no2? that's so fucked its shocking! 
btw you'll always see noobs say foil hinders GE but they dont know what they're saying. they just repeat what they think is true..
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Treant said: I was always under the assumption we removed the foil not for GE, but rather because it creates a micro-climate between the foil an the lid that contams can thrive in.
These are examples of how these "myths" are created. We have all heard something else!
Keep posting information, let's bury all these once and for all.
I made this thread not so much for us, but for the newer people who have to sort through 12 years of this stuff :P
me & treant still heard the same thing but you cant stop noobs from spreading bad info. people come here right from their erowid-tek assisted grows and start spewing bs like early pinning from light etc.
but I've seriously never heard anyone say you cook the sub by adding more than a set no of grain jars. did it even say anything about tub size/total sub mass or just anything above 6qt's is fucked?
I've read anything above 6 cooks your sub, or that you can't use more than 5. I am sure there are various forms of this myth, I just wanted to kinda lay them all to rest at once.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21956517 - 07/17/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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you can eat the same isolate two different occasions and have wildly different experience.
if you get dealer grade shrooms you'll have no problem though
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: bodhisatta]
#21956527 - 07/17/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: you can eat the same isolate two different occasions and have wildly different experience.
if you get dealer grade shrooms you'll have no problem though
There is actually a new grade.. You prob have not heard about it, its pretty unique and special.
The O'Riley grade.. Far surpasses any dealer shrooms..
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21956534 - 07/17/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's funny af. Whered that even come from? People can case and fruit off straight grains... It's kinda like that one myth I read about how you can't wash your mushrooms after picking because it washes the actives out, back when I was researching to make this LOL.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Mad Season]
#21956563 - 07/17/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: That's funny af. Whered that even come from? People can case and fruit off straight grains... It's kinda like that one myth I read about how you can't wash your mushrooms after picking because it washes the actives out, back when I was researching to make this LOL.
You can do hot water extracts on mushrooms, of course lemon works well!
I do like this though. Can anybody confirm that washing with really hot water won't take out the surface alkaloids?
I would assume washing with cold would be safe.
Into the talking about topic it goes!
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21956583 - 07/17/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well it rains in nature so.... lol I seriously doubt rain washes the actives off. Water extraction does work though, and is actually the best at extracting it because the actives are polar. My guess though is that washing does nothing, and I've been washing every spored mushroom for years, and no one's complained ever lol, including myself.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Mad Season]
#21956609 - 07/17/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Well it rains in nature so.... lol I seriously doubt rain washes the actives off. Water extraction does work though, and is actually the best at extracting it because the actives are polar. My guess though is that washing does nothing, and I've been washing every spored mushroom for years, and no one's complained ever lol, including myself.
I was more along the lines of thinking... Washing them off with your faucet turned all the way on hot.. Like 140f+ water.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21956632 - 07/17/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Probably won't know until we get the rights to lab test mushrooms again. Pot was pretty mysterious until laws let us research it. Now we know the exact spectrums of light it needs and almost everything else about it. Including the amount cannibinoids and their levels. Everything regarding potency is pretty much speculation until we can research again . So sad
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Mad Season]
#21956635 - 07/17/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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1# OPB : Myth: pasteurizing coir preserves beneficial bacteria that is in the bricks. That it does. I guess the real question is whether there are enough beneficial bacteria present for it to do much good.
#2 Mad Season: Humidity is as important as FAE. This seems to be more a matter opinion than fact/myth. Certainly maintaining a sufficient amount of humidity and fresh air are both important. I suppose the fact that a substrate will dry crisp in very low humidity and not fruit whereas it will usually fruit (poorly) even with very low FAE would suggest humidity is more important but nevertheless low humidity is rarely an issue for people yet it's something new cultivators often dwell on.
#3 MBP : To remove the foil or not on PF TEK jars The foil serves no purpose after inoculation unless you're using it as a lid.
#4 Using more than 5+qt's of Spawn will cause something bad to happen or that you cannot do it at all. There really needs to be some context with this quote. It will certainly depend on how much substrate you're using.
#5 Mad Season: I read about how you can't wash your mushrooms after picking because it washes the actives out As far as I know this is false but there are other reasons why you shouldn't wash mushrooms. Then again who knows. Maybe the mushrooms are also excreting psilocybin from the tissue and not simply containing it.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Kizzle]
#21956662 - 07/17/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: 1# OPB : Myth: pasteurizing coir preserves beneficial bacteria that is in the bricks. That it does. I guess the real question is whether there are enough beneficial bacteria present for it to do much good.
#2 Mad Season: Humidity is as important as FAE. This seems to be more a matter opinion than fact/myth. Certainly maintaining a sufficient amount of humidity and fresh air are both important. I suppose the fact that a substrate will dry crisp in very low humidity and not fruit whereas it will usually fruit (poorly) even with very low FAE would suggest humidity is more important but nevertheless low humidity is rarely an issue for people yet it's something new cultivators often dwell on.
#3 MBP : To remove the foil or not on PF TEK jars The foil serves no purpose after inoculation unless you're using it as a lid.
#4 Using more than 5+qt's of Spawn will cause something bad to happen or that you cannot do it at all. There really needs to be some context with this quote. It will certainly depend on how much substrate you're using.
#2 If you have done your substrate properly and have a properly built mono tub, humidity will never be an issue, unless you have WAY too much FAE or in a less than ideal temperature range. Even then, you can mist through mist of it.
It only seems like you should worry about humidity if you messed up your preparation, since the temperature thing does not seem as complicated for people to follow. I do agree with you fully on this though, it is not something you should really ever worry about and people spend too much time and money worrying about it.
#4 I already did, read under True's
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21956683 - 07/17/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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How bout this one MYTH: A new grower can modify the PF Tek to produce RADICALLY larger yields the likes of which this forum has never seen
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Kizzle]
#21956711 - 07/17/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: 1# OPB : Myth: pasteurizing coir preserves beneficial bacteria that is in the bricks. That it does. I guess the real question is whether there are enough beneficial bacteria present for it to do much good.
Where do these beneficial bacterias come from in your opinion? coir bricks are pressed at really high temps, I cant remember exactly but its way past our 15-20 psi which would kill most living organisms.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
#21956835 - 07/17/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: 1# OPB : Myth: pasteurizing coir preserves beneficial bacteria that is in the bricks. That it does. I guess the real question is whether there are enough beneficial bacteria present for it to do much good.
Where do these beneficial bacterias come from in your opinion? coir bricks are pressed at really high temps, I cant remember exactly but its way past our 15-20 psi which would kill most living organisms.
I'm not sure that's always the case. If it is though it seems kind of pointless to heat the coir at all. There'll be always some bacteria that come from the air on dust particles and such just as there'll always be some mold spores on virtually every product that doesn't come presterilized in a sterile package.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Kizzle]
#21956855 - 07/17/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've heard someone say that before, maybe it was you I cant remember, but would bacteria floating in the air be able to become a living organism on a dried out rock hard coir brick?
I see a big difference in colonization times on heat treated vs room temp watered hydrated bricks. Others again says they see even bigger differences on bucketed/pasteurized coir and sterilized 90mins @ 15psi coir.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
#21956900 - 07/17/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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but would bacteria floating in the air be able to become a living organism on a dried out rock hard coir brick?
Once you add water to it sure. Until then they'd just remain dormant. It's basically just the spores that survive pasteurization. I don't know if it's exclusively endospores or if there are some other kinds of bacterial spores that can survive pasteurization as well but endospores are a large contributor to say that the least and we all know how well they survive harsh conditions.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Kizzle]
#21956932 - 07/17/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I gotta admit I dont know much about endospores besides baciluss's but that is definitely food for thought!

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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: spacechildo]
#21956978 - 07/17/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am really glad we are finding some equal ground and not arguing.
This thread could become extremely beneficial for new and old growers alike.
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21956991 - 07/17/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bacillus is the shape of the bacteria. Lacto bacillus makes no endospores Clostridum botulinum makes endospores. Clostridum is a rod shaped bacteria its a bacillus too
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Re: Let's get the myth's outta here [Re: Al Bundy]
#21957069 - 07/17/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Al Bundy said: *intensely looking at mushrooms* Na man, them look like bad trip mushrooms.
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