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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21923543 - 07/10/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Gold and silver have kept their value for thousands, perhaps many tens of thousands of years. Humans all over the world have lusted after precious metals. Jewelry is probably the biggest use and investment secondary. Its not like it was nearly worthless at one time and then became a fad. Fiat money is a fad and every fiat currency has lost eventually 100% of its value. The us dollar has already lost some 98% and is due for a big drop in years to come. Compare that to gold which has always held value.

BTW, I liked Carlos Castaneda's early books. He seemed to have something. But later it just devolved into fiction to bring in the bucks and I lost interest.




The dollar's value has changed and earning power has changed with it.  Our monetary system introduces currency into the economy through our fractional reserve banking system, which is a whole other topic.  It is fractional reserve banking that guarantees a steady rate of inflation.  Our planet is trying, like never before, to establish a few global currencies that every country eventually ties into as a way to establish at least a small foundation of fiscal/monetary principles to give fiat currency greater trustworthiness.  I agree that gold/silver will always have value, but its value has little to do with its usefulness as a commodity such as oil, grain or even rare earth metals.  Most of it is melted down, vaulted and held by the planet's wealthiest institutions and I suspect, there is far more to why this is than the average human will ever be clued into. 

Castaneda's first 4 books were truly his best.  I think the rest gave a rare insight into a personal journey of growth and discovery that will stand as one of the most interesting ever told, at least to me.  Whether or not it was fiction, at least to me, is not important … the insights he gave into the true potential of a human being was absolutely ground breaking and, of course, his writing style quite remarkable.


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: KauaiOrca] * 1
    #21923654 - 07/10/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Orca its almost as if you're trolling. Theres overvaluing PMs and theres undervaluing them. You are big on the latter.


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: Asante]
    #21923673 - 07/10/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Asante said:
Orca its almost as if you're trolling. Theres overvaluing PMs and theres undervaluing them. You are big on the latter.




I'm trying to post thoughtful ideas on the topic.  I find it fascinating what people call "trolling" now … This is an interaction site, is it not?  Am I criticizing anyone or throwing insults around? 

My point is that the global economy is changing dramatically and so is the role of vaulted precious metals.  Their role as a "hedge" is truly being challenged as they are not performing the way they used to in this regard.  Also, that there are competing "hedges" that are far more popular with big investors.  My point is that PM's, at least as used by most individual investors that are into them in an almost fanatic fashion, has more to do with a fear of an end of the world or anarchic outcome.  This has actually been polled and tested.  I think it makes a lot of sense to have a few thousand bucks in gold coins at home, but basing your entire investing philosophy on PM speculation is pretty iffy and extremely risky.  The idea that we are close to a situation where we'll need gold and silver coins in order to purchase anything is, IMHO, ridiculous.


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21923717 - 07/10/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
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Asante said:
Orca its almost as if you're trolling. Theres overvaluing PMs and theres undervaluing them. You are big on the latter.




I'm trying to post thoughtful ideas on the topic.  I find it fascinating what people call "trolling" now … This is an interaction site, is it not?  Am I criticizing anyone or throwing insults around? 

My point is that the global economy is changing dramatically and so is the role of vaulted precious metals.  Their role as a "hedge" is truly being challenged as they are not performing the way they used to in this regard.  Also, that there are competing "hedges" that are far more popular with big investors.  My point is that PM's, at least as used by most individual investors that are into them in an almost fanatic fashion, has more to do with a fear of an end of the world or anarchic outcome.  This has actually been polled and tested.  I think it makes a lot of sense to have a few thousand bucks in gold coins at home, but basing your entire investing philosophy on PM speculation is pretty iffy and extremely risky.  The idea that we are close to a situation where we'll need gold and silver coins in order to purchase anything is, IMHO, ridiculous.




The purchasing of gold and silver coins isn't "in order to purchase anything", it's to convert them to paper money and THEN purchase an item.

Gold is ALWAYS going to be a part of the financial system, your lack of understanding of how it works doesn't change that fact. 

Just from reading your posts the last few days on economics tells me you have some very big holes in understanding how they work.

Gold is trading at $1160 because of the FUNDAMENTALS, nothing more, it still functions like it should and will always function in that manner, nothing has changed.  :facepalm:


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21923739 - 07/10/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

>My point is that the global economy is changing dramatically and so is the role of vaulted precious metals.  Their role as a "hedge" is truly being challenged as they are not performing the way they used to in this regard.

A typical short sighted view. Fiat has lost buying power constantly, who in their right mind invests in fiat? With global instability on the rise and a collapse likely, this is the best of all times to buy and hold pm. China is finding they can't really stop the collapse in their own stock markets and are making things worse. Their market cap has lost the equivalent of 13 times the gdp of Greece but everyone is concerned about Greece.

Come back in a year and tell us how gold was a terrible idea to buy. Its like in 2000 they said the same thing, back then it was around $300.


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: qman]
    #21923759 - 07/10/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
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KauaiOrca said:
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Asante said:
Orca its almost as if you're trolling. Theres overvaluing PMs and theres undervaluing them. You are big on the latter.




I'm trying to post thoughtful ideas on the topic.  I find it fascinating what people call "trolling" now … This is an interaction site, is it not?  Am I criticizing anyone or throwing insults around? 

My point is that the global economy is changing dramatically and so is the role of vaulted precious metals.  Their role as a "hedge" is truly being challenged as they are not performing the way they used to in this regard.  Also, that there are competing "hedges" that are far more popular with big investors.  My point is that PM's, at least as used by most individual investors that are into them in an almost fanatic fashion, has more to do with a fear of an end of the world or anarchic outcome.  This has actually been polled and tested.  I think it makes a lot of sense to have a few thousand bucks in gold coins at home, but basing your entire investing philosophy on PM speculation is pretty iffy and extremely risky.  The idea that we are close to a situation where we'll need gold and silver coins in order to purchase anything is, IMHO, ridiculous.




The purchasing of gold and silver coins isn't "in order to purchase anything", it's to convert them to paper money and THEN purchase an item.

Gold is ALWAYS going to be a part of the financial system, your lack of understanding of how it works doesn't change that fact. 

Just from reading your posts the last few days on economics tells me you have some very big holes in understanding how they work.

Gold is trading at $1160 because of the FUNDAMENTALS, nothing more, it still functions like it should and will always function in that manner, nothing has changed.  :facepalm:




You can face palm and insult all you want … I've been trading currencies, futures and derivatives for years and study the global economy intensely for 15 years. I am not a casual observer tossing uneducated opinions based on some fear of global collapse. 

Gold trades mostly on technicals, NOT fundamentals.  It is, in fact, the lack of fundamentals that makes gold so difficult to trade and why it is avoided by most professional traders.  The amount of fiat currency being flooded into the global financial system is unprecedented yet gold has fallen over 30% in the last several years.  When inflation was falling and the monetary supply was shrinking, gold rose at a parabolic rate.  It's a fear trade.  What is gold really worth in terms of real supply and demand?  Hard to really know because most of it is vaulted and rarely even audited. 

Commodities trading is a very risky thing to do.  That's all I'm saying.  Those that approach PM's as though they're a sure thing and can't miss and MUST go up to $2,000 > $5,000 are taking a huge risk, that's all I'm saying.  Gold CAN go down much further and probably will.    It's a niche currency that's vulnerable to manipulation.  It's not a sure thing. 

Personally, I find rare earth metals much more interesting as their importance in our global economy is far easier to understand.  If there is such a thing as a "sure thing" when it comes to mineral commodities, over time, it is surely rare earth metals.


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: KauaiOrca] * 2
    #21923774 - 07/10/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

In other news, we're running out of indium for touchscreens we love so much, and silver nanotubes look like a suitable replacement.

:themoreyouknow:


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: Adden]
    #21925764 - 07/10/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

so youre saying... buy all the indium i can get!!!!!

muuahahaha


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21928420 - 07/11/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
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qman said:
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Asante said:
Orca its almost as if you're trolling. Theres overvaluing PMs and theres undervaluing them. You are big on the latter.




I'm trying to post thoughtful ideas on the topic.  I find it fascinating what people call "trolling" now … This is an interaction site, is it not?  Am I criticizing anyone or throwing insults around? 

My point is that the global economy is changing dramatically and so is the role of vaulted precious metals.  Their role as a "hedge" is truly being challenged as they are not performing the way they used to in this regard.  Also, that there are competing "hedges" that are far more popular with big investors.  My point is that PM's, at least as used by most individual investors that are into them in an almost fanatic fashion, has more to do with a fear of an end of the world or anarchic outcome.  This has actually been polled and tested.  I think it makes a lot of sense to have a few thousand bucks in gold coins at home, but basing your entire investing philosophy on PM speculation is pretty iffy and extremely risky.  The idea that we are close to a situation where we'll need gold and silver coins in order to purchase anything is, IMHO, ridiculous.




The purchasing of gold and silver coins isn't "in order to purchase anything", it's to convert them to paper money and THEN purchase an item.

Gold is ALWAYS going to be a part of the financial system, your lack of understanding of how it works doesn't change that fact. 

Just from reading your posts the last few days on economics tells me you have some very big holes in understanding how they work.

Gold is trading at $1160 because of the FUNDAMENTALS, nothing more, it still functions like it should and will always function in that manner, nothing has changed.  :facepalm:




You can face palm and insult all you want … I've been trading currencies, futures and derivatives for years and study the global economy intensely for 15 years. I am not a casual observer tossing uneducated opinions based on some fear of global collapse. 

Gold trades mostly on technical, NOT fundamentals.  It is, in fact, the lack of fundamentals that makes gold so difficult to trade and why it is avoided by most professional traders.  The amount of fiat currency being flooded into the global financial system is unprecedented yet gold has fallen over 30% in the last several years.  When inflation was falling and the monetary supply was shrinking, gold rose at a parabolic rate.  It's a fear trade.  What is gold really worth in terms of real supply and demand?  Hard to really know because most of it is vaulted and rarely even audited. 

Commodities trading is a very risky thing to do.  That's all I'm saying.  Those that approach PM's as though they're a sure thing and can't miss and MUST go up to $2,000 > $5,000 are taking a huge risk, that's all I'm saying.  Gold CAN go down much further and probably will.    It's a niche currency that's vulnerable to manipulation.  It's not a sure thing. 

Personally, I find rare earth metals much more interesting as their importance in our global economy is far easier to understand.  If there is such a thing as a "sure thing" when it comes to mineral commodities, over time, it is surely rare earth metals.




I have also been investing/trading stocks, bonds, options, and studying the financial markets for 25 years. 

"The amount of fiat currency being flooded into the global financial system is unprecedented yet still gold has fallen over 30% in the last several years"

The money flooded into the banks which used it to prop up stock and bonds markets, they money NEVER entered the real economy, that's why inflation is non-existent and why all commodities/PM's have been crushed the past 4 years.

"gold trades mostly on technicals"

What asset class doesn't in the short term?

"NOT fundamentals"

The fundamentals always win over time, gold is no exception.

"It's not a sure thing (investing in gold)"

For sure, there's really no such thing as a "sure thing" when it comes to investing.

"It's a fear trade"

Sometimes, but when investors thought the world has coming to an end in 2008, gold crashed -30%. :shrug:

I also agree that the move to $1920 was nothing more than a speculative rally based on the false premise that QE would over juice the economies and inflation would materialize.


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: ManianFH]
    #21928696 - 07/11/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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mick said:
so youre saying... buy all the indium i can get!!!!!

muuahahaha




:lol:

I regret not getting into Palladium when I was in grad school. My first thought was "yeah okay" and now it's "damn it". Hindsight is 20/20, or maybe it's me cherry picking again (LOL).


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: qman] * 1
    #21929289 - 07/11/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:

I have also been investing/trading stocks, bonds, options, and studying the financial markets for 25 years. 

"The amount of fiat currency being flooded into the global financial system is unprecedented yet still gold has fallen over 30% in the last several years"

The money flooded into the banks which used it to prop up stock and bonds markets, they money NEVER entered the real economy, that's why inflation is non-existent and why all commodities/PM's have been crushed the past 4 years.

"gold trades mostly on technicals"

What asset class doesn't in the short term?

"NOT fundamentals"

The fundamentals always win over time, gold is no exception.

"It's not a sure thing (investing in gold)"

For sure, there's really no such thing as a "sure thing" when it comes to investing.

"It's a fear trade"

Sometimes, but when investors thought the world has coming to an end in 2008, gold crashed -30%. :shrug:

I also agree that the move to $1920 was nothing more than a speculative rally based on the false premise that QE would over juice the economies and inflation would materialize.




Gold took a hit like all other asset classes during the stock market plunge in early 09 because everybody was selling to raise money … selling pretty much everything.  Margin calls, you name it, selling pressure everywhere.  But I don't think the meteoric rise of Gold had much to do with TARP or QE … I doubt any of that money made it into the gold buying frenzy.  I think it was fear of a total meltdown of our economy.  The money that did make it into the banks from QE generated unprecedented share buybacks and improvement of balance sheets of financial institutions everywhere which stimulated buying as well.

What really are the fundamentals of gold?  There is no shortage … most of it is vaulted … the consumption in terms of industrial needs and even ornamental needs is minimal compared to how much supply we have.  I suspect there is far more to gold prices manipulation than most other alternatives.  It's a pure momentum trade and that's about it.  Nothing wrong with that if that's your bag.  I still suspect there's a stronger magnet on the 1-3 year horizon on the downside and see absolutely nothing that will drive it back anywhere near its highs, maybe for a long, long time.  Stocks have real fundamentals … dividends, earnings, profits, sales, P/E's, etc.  I guess you have gold mining stock fundamentals, but that's not the same thing as gold prices. 

If I'm going to speculate with Gold, might as well just gamble as it's a lot more fun and the odds are about the same.


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: Adden]
    #21933239 - 07/12/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Dys said:
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mick said:
so youre saying... buy all the indium i can get!!!!!

muuahahaha




:lol:

I regret not getting into Palladium when I was in grad school. My first thought was "yeah okay" and now it's "damn it". Hindsight is 20/20, or maybe it's me cherry picking again (LOL).




These comments led me to this article: http://seekingalpha.com/article/1363381-the-other-precious-metals

It is a bit dated (written in 2013), but it was still an interesting read


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: Bambi]
    #21936254 - 07/13/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Silver heading lower on increased EURO stimulus headed to Greece. 

$10 an ounce sure looks like a stronger magnet than $20, that's for sure.


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21936874 - 07/13/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
Silver heading lower on increased EURO stimulus headed to Greece. 

$10 an ounce sure looks like a stronger magnet than $20, that's for sure.




What stimulus?  It's another deal with creditors.


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: qman]
    #21936916 - 07/13/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Silver heading lower on increased EURO stimulus headed to Greece. 

$10 an ounce sure looks like a stronger magnet than $20, that's for sure.




What stimulus?  It's another deal with creditors.




EURO (ECB, Euro Zone) showing more willingness to supply liquidity to markets is considered stimulus or pro-inflationary policy.


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21937002 - 07/13/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
Silver heading lower on increased EURO stimulus headed to Greece. 

$10 an ounce sure looks like a stronger magnet than $20, that's for sure.




What stimulus?  It's another deal with creditors.




EURO (ECB, Euro Zone) showing more willingness to supply liquidity to markets is considered stimulus or pro-inflationary policy.




I would hardly call "emergency liquidity assistance to Greek banks" "stimulus or pro-inflationary policy".

I think we have a major difference in how we define economic "stimulus".  There are real stimulative polices that can be done, we haven't seen it.


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: qman]
    #21937187 - 07/13/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Silver heading lower on increased EURO stimulus headed to Greece. 

$10 an ounce sure looks like a stronger magnet than $20, that's for sure.




What stimulus?  It's another deal with creditors.




EURO (ECB, Euro Zone) showing more willingness to supply liquidity to markets is considered stimulus or pro-inflationary policy.




I would hardly call "emergency liquidity assistance to Greek banks" "stimulus or pro-inflationary policy".

I think we have a major difference in how we define economic "stimulus".  There are real stimulative polices that can be done, we haven't seen it.




I think we can both agree that central banks are in one of three modes:  1) accommodative  2) neutral  3) tightening. 

Accomodative, over time, is seen as inflationary.  There is no doubt at all, especially with the implications to Italy, Spain and Portugal, that the ECB is signaling more accommodativeness with this latest Greek deal.  Is it the same thing as "stimulus?"  Probably would be an interesting discussion.

Nonetheless, it is a signal of ongoing, possibly never ending, accommodative policy which is clearly designed to generate MORE inflation. 

Gold/Silver has take a huge hit during perhaps the most accommodative (inflationary) policy of global central bank history. 

I find that interesting and instructive that the game, as it applies to gold/silver, has changed.


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21955639 - 07/17/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The Gold/Silver bust cycle is taking another leg down.  Global stimulus increasing but gold and silver going down.


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21955701 - 07/17/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The Gold/Silver bust cycle is taking another leg down.  Global stimulus increasing but gold and silver going down.




Deflation is winning, revenue down in Q2 for SP 500 over -4% YOY.  http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/06/sp-500-earnings-revenue-q2/

How's that "stimulus" working?  It's not.  How the demand for commodities?  Weak, oil barely holding $50.


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Re: Bottom Finally In For Silver? [Re: qman]
    #21955723 - 07/17/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
The Gold/Silver bust cycle is taking another leg down.  Global stimulus increasing but gold and silver going down.




Deflation is winning, revenue down in Q2 for SP 500 over -4% YOY.  http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/06/sp-500-earnings-revenue-q2/

How's that "stimulus" working?  It's not.  How the demand for commodities?  Weak, oil barely holding $50.




Deflation on what?  Food?  Health Care?  Education?  Automobiles?  Housing?  Rents?  Entertainment? 

The prices on the stuff that matters continues to go up, up, up. 

The Collective Wealth of American is up by HUGE numbers, certainly not spread out the way we'd like it, but it is way, way up over the last 5 years.


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