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what do you think I took?
    #21955378 - 07/17/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hi everyone!

well me and my friends went to a music festival for the first time last week(it was awesome) and we were really excited when we found a guy that had "acid".I even got more excited when he said it was tasteless. we all took one tab, and i even swallowed it. The onset was similar to LSD, but at the peak it just felt really different.trippy fractals, but it was weird. we all had a jaw tension/pressure and our pupils weren't even big?it was slightly more uncomfortable then LSD.I was trying to enjoy the high, but honestly i couldn't ignore the weirdness.

Do you guys have any ideas on what i may have ingested? if it wasn't lsd, why did i get high by swallowing it?

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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: kushkingston]
    #21955428 - 07/17/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How long was the trip from onset to finish? I've had trips before where pupil dilation was absent until I got in a low light atmosphere. There are so many research chems being passed off as Lad that I wouldn't think about dosing without a test kit. There are lysergic analogues like 1p-lsd that are said to be tasteless. We could guess all day but without a test kit we're pissing in the wind.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: BoomBoom] * 1
    #21955445 - 07/17/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This is why i dont really have a strong interest in lsd. too many people now these days sell RCs as LSD so its pointless to go lookin for L if its going to be something i dont even want.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: kushkingston]
    #21955464 - 07/17/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Idk if it's true, but I heard impure or less pure LSD can cause more of a body load, I've experienced the jaw pressure/tension you are talking about myself, and even some leg tension but nothing too major, and was tested to be lsd in front of me.

Have you tripped in that type of setting before? Keep in mind, nbomes can't be swallowed, but I'm almost positive there are still research chemicals that can and still have effects, always buy test kits, cheap, and much more accurate and safer then putting them in your mouth hoping it doesn't get bitter and all that fun stuff.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: kushkingston]
    #21955618 - 07/17/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Many variables with LSD, set setting and dosage are the biggest ones.

Likely, it was a larger dose than you are used to.


Could have also been Al-Lad, a compound similar to lsd but has different visuals (and lots of them) in the 300 micrograms range.

Its important for the duration. Al lad is about 8-10 hours, lsd is 12-14 hours total.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21955759 - 07/17/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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This is why i dont really have a strong interest in lsd. too many people now these days sell RCs as LSD so its pointless to go lookin for L if its going to be something i dont even want.




I have to beg to differ. Especially after the Grateful Dead shows here in Chicago. I haven't seen as much high quality LSD on the market as this for over 10 years. Yes RC's are extremely problematic and began to permeate the lower rungs of certain scenes to a dangerous point. If you know decent people. And use a test kit. You will be ok and I am telling you, there is very very high quality LSD to be had.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: kushkingston]
    #21955863 - 07/17/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

thanks for the replys ladies&gents, i'm guessing it wasn't LSD since the high was 8 - 10 hours;And it felt WAY too strong for one tab.it's very unfortunate to hear that some RC's or weird LSD substitues are tasteless and can be administered if swallowed.this makes my hunt for the real deal even harder!As mentioned, my best bet is probably waiting to meet someone legit i guess.(if that ever happens lol) I'm strongly considering avoiding acid tho because of the rare possibility that it's gonna be real. i just feel like that's the one drug i truly missed out on.

And no, i have never tripped at a festival before, it was my first time. but whatever i took was lacking the magical, euphoric feeling of LSD


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: kushkingston]
    #21956990 - 07/17/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like it was poorly made acid, I usually get some jaw tension and back aches from acid that isn't the best. I've recently got some stuff that has none of that it comes on smooth as fuck.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip] * 1
    #21957015 - 07/17/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Sounds like it was poorly made acid




You care to elaborate on that?
If there is a contaminant in it that is poisoning you then that chemical is making you sick not the LSD. Are you saying he was poisoned by something on the blotter while also getting real LSD?


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: SteveRogers] * 1
    #21957053 - 07/17/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No, when chemists make LSD if they don't have good procedures and shit they get different color crystal. Sometimes its just a less pure product which has negative physical effects.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip] * 1
    #21957112 - 07/17/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No, when chemists make LSD if they don't have good procedures and shit they get different color crystal. Sometimes its just a less pure product which has negative physical effects.




Yes less pure crystal means contaminants in the reaction. However, you are not affected by "bad LSD." If somehow you are being effected (which is unlikely) then it is by reagents/solvents/precursors/ect that somehow made it through to the end...I truly do not believe that anyone could pick out 100ug of pure white fluff vs 100ug of lavender fluff. I'm calling bullshit hard on that.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip] * 1
    #21957131 - 07/17/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

False. While LSD does differ in purity, the impurities are not psychoactive. You can't feel the impurities. The only difference is in potency. OP, you probably took L. Set & setting have powerful effect. There are qualitative differences in trips; that's the nature of psychedelia.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: Dark_Star] * 1
    #21957208 - 07/17/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Im just speaking from experience some has a body load and some doesn't some is more foggy headed and one is more clear headed. It all has to do with how its made.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip]
    #21957220 - 07/17/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Im just speaking from experience some has a body load and some doesn't some is more foggy headed and one is more clear headed. It all has to do with how its made.




It has infinitely more to do with your own mind and physiology.....if everything you have gotten was real LSD


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip] * 1
    #21957224 - 07/17/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No, it has nothing to do with how it's made. LSD is LSD. The difference between crystals is in potency, not effects. The qualitative differences in trips is the result of myriad other factors, such as set & setting & fluctuations in one's physiology.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21957244 - 07/17/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I still disagree, I've eaten a lot of LSD. Back aches/jaw clenching is/are common with lower quality acid this a well known thing amongst every person I know. I'm not saying it makes it a more negative or positive experience but it does happen.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip]
    #21957259 - 07/17/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I still disagree, I've eaten a lot of LSD. Back aches/jaw clenching is/are common with lower quality acid this a well known thing amongst every person I know. I'm not saying it makes it a more negative or positive experience but it does happen.




No it's not.
Anyone else on this whole board have an experience similar to this? You are either not getting acid or that is literally in your head man.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: SteveRogers] * 1
    #21957272 - 07/17/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've had the jaw clenching on low and high purity LSD. :strokebeard:


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21957273 - 07/17/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When I say low quality I don't mean less potent, I mean the crystal that was laid onto the paper could of been black instead of something such as needlepoint.


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    #21957279 - 07/17/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I've had the jaw clenching on low and high purity LSD. :strokebeard:




HAHA well fuck me then.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip]
    #21957285 - 07/17/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

For example, I have some shit right now that was laid with clear needlepoint with glacier water and there is absolutely no jaw clenching or back ache. The come up is unbelievably smooth and its a very clear minded headspace.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip]
    #21957294 - 07/17/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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For example, I have some shit right now that was laid with clear needlepoint with glacier water and there is absolutely no jaw clenching or back ache. The come up is unbelievably smooth and its a very clear minded headspace.




You honeslty know how and what your acid was laid with? Guess you are on another level than I am. I have never had a back ache or ground my teeth with actual LSD......


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21957308 - 07/17/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There isn't many people between me and the chemist and my friends are LSD enthusiast's, you probably scored good L then. The jaw clenching I have never gotten really bad but I've had some bad lower back pain before on the comedown.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip]
    #21957316 - 07/17/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You're wrong, plain & simple. That difference is all in your head. I've eaten a lot of LSD myself. More to the point, I spent some time high up enough in the distribution chain to know what crystals the doses were laid with. There were always different reports of side effects with the same batch. Furthermore, I've personally witnessed the same batch of crystal get given different names as it made it's way down the line. People would swear that the doses "laid with fluff" were cleaner. The silver had more tension, aches, jaw clenching, etc. except the doses in question were all the same exact batch of silver, and were laid at the same time, on the same paper. People would just hear the name silver & attribute any side effects to that. Vice versa folks would hear fluff & swear it felt smoother. It's all in your head.

Furthermore, the same distribution of the same side effects seen today were noted during the studies done with Sandoz LSD back in the 50s & early 60s. These side effects varied among the same people, on the same dose as well. Different day, different mind set, differences in their physiology on that day; boom. Differences in body load. The book "LSD Spitituality & the Creative Process" breaks this done very concisely, and is based on a study involving hundreds of people given the same dose of Sandoz LSD per kg of bodyweight over the course of years.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21957327 - 07/17/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You're wrong, plain & simple. That difference is all in your head. I've eaten a lot of LSD myself. More to the point, I spent some time high up enough in the distribution chain to know what crystals the doses were laid with. There were always different reports of side effects with the same batch. Furthermore, I've personally witnessed the same batch of crystal get given different names as it made it's way down the line. People would swear that the doses "laid with fluff" were cleaner. The silver had more tension, aches, jaw clenching, etc. except the doses in question were all the same exact batch of silver, and were laid at the same time, on the same paper. People would just hear the name silver & attribute any side effects to that. Vice versa folks would hear fluff & swear it felt smoother. It's all in your head.

Furthermore, the same distribution of the same side effects seen today were noted during the studies done with Sandoz LSD back in the 50s & early 60s. These side effects varied among the same people, on the same dose as well. Different day, different mind set, differences in their physiology on that day; boom. Differences in body load. The book "LSD Spitituality & the Creative Process" breaks this done very concisely, and is based on a study involving hundreds of people given the same dose of Sandoz LSD per kg of bodyweight over the course of years.




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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21957343 - 07/17/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've been eating this L all summer and the effects haven't changed last summer I was eating stuff that gave me more of a body load every time and really bad bloating when I would eat 5+.  :shrug: Just speaking from my personal experience and knowledge.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21957344 - 07/17/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have to admit that I used to be one of those people that swore I could feel the difference. Then I learned better.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip] * 1
    #21957362 - 07/17/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

LSD made in some shit lab with shitty chemists in some far off country is not guna be as good as some LSD made in a high grade lab with legitimate chemists not only in how strong it is but in its physical effects.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip]
    #21957383 - 07/17/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Bloating is a common side effect that has nothing to do the way it's made. Sandoz...aka pharmaceutical grade LSD made in a highly respected laboratory was known to cause this, among other side effects. And again, the same people wouldn't always experience them...or experience them to same degree. It's variable. There are so many different factors. One's biochemistry fluctuates. One's state of mind/phase of life fluctuates. This all effects the subjective experience of an LSD trip. Get that book that I mentioned above. "LSD; Spirituality & the Creative Process" It gives a solid view into all of this....and it's based in scientific research, not lot stories.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21957398 - 07/17/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Test kits are so cheap and available though, and LSd is so cheap for what you are getting I cant see why you wouldnt use one unless its spur of the moment.. and youre always taking a chance in that scenario.

Seriously just spend the extra 5-10 bux on an extra tab. Its not a waste if it means you can trip easy


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21957412 - 07/17/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Don't even need a whole tab to test; a sliver works.Though there are a few different lysergic analogues out these days that would pop purple on an erhlichs. The ehrlichs tests for an indole ring, not LSD itself.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21957498 - 07/17/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So LSZ/AL LAD would test positive? Well at least itll weed out the dangerous ones


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21957537 - 07/17/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting. The L I got this summer is still the bomb diggity compared to anything I've eaten and I have had multiple people say the same.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip] * 1
    #21957687 - 07/17/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I agree that the effects of L lie mainly in dosage and mental state/set and setting; but the truth is, the majority of L I have seen recently
has been low mic or straight RC:shrug:
I've had L on blotter, vials, etc. that got me loaded in 1 hit, the way it's supposed to be. When you have to take 3+ hits to even feel anything, and still pay the same price, it's not worth it in my opinion.
I also hate when people LIE to me and tell me it's L when really it's some DO whatever, 25I, L-DOPA, etc. Fuck L EAT MUSHROOMS AND SMOKE DMT.
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    #21957807 - 07/17/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nah, L > mushrooms any day. Just gotta be smart, do some digging, use the resources we have at our disposal & you can find the quality. Plenty of high quality L abounds these days.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21957820 - 07/17/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I also hate when people LIE to me and tell me it's L when really it's some DO whatever, 25I, L-DOPA, etc.



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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: Sheekle]
    #21957826 - 07/17/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Nah, L > mushrooms any day. Just gotta be smart, do some digging, use the resources we have at our disposal & you can find the quality. Plenty of high quality L abounds these days.



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I also hate when people LIE to me and tell me it's L when really it's some DO whatever, 25I, L-DOPA, etc.



what's L-DOPA?




It is a Parkinson's drug. Don't know which asshole he pulled that out of.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-DOPA


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21957938 - 07/17/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

haha sorry meant Al-lad. That's how unfamiliar I am with most RC.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21957947 - 07/17/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That's how unfamiliar I am with most RC.




Then stop commenting on this issue.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21958127 - 07/17/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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This is why i dont really have a strong interest in lsd. too many people now these days sell RCs as LSD so its pointless to go lookin for L if its going to be something i dont even want.



Nans. It's the best lsd year I've seen in 7 years of being a DIE HARD lsd enthusiast.  Look for white on white, check the recent lsd prints thread, or try and find some of the gel tabs going around.


And everyone should just listen to dark_star.  He knows what he's talking about.  Some people here have actually worked with crystal.  "bad acid" is most likely just something that's not lsd.  12 years since my first acid trip and literally hundreds since, and I've never once had lsd that was real that caused any unexpected effects.

If you are taking monstrous doses perhaps the impurity thing would be different, but there are only a few types of crystals going around.  Your L either is or it isn't.  End of story. 

Source? Been around the block and heard enough stupid lot lackey lies.  Even the heaviest hitter I know, who moves grams on regular basis and has been in the crystal game since the early 90s,  says some straight up false shit. 

Skepticism is good.  Trips are subjective.  LSD-25 is LSD-25.

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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip]
    #21958156 - 07/17/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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There isn't many people between me and the chemist



Whether you know it of not, you are lying.  I've SEEN the crystal I eat. And I am nowhere near my chemist.  There are VERY FEW lsd labs in the world.  Anyone who claims they know a chemist isn't anywhere near one, and anyone who is near one is smart enough to keep their fuckin mouth shut about it.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21958650 - 07/17/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
That's how unfamiliar I am with most RC.




Then stop commenting on this issue.



Just because I am not familiar with all RC does not mean I am not familiar with LSD.
I don't bother with it anymore cause lately, I haven't seen good stuff, just one of the hundreds of RCs.
Sorry that I don't remember the name of all of them. Man, some people are just ass holes.
The issue is not about rc but about good vs. bad LSD. By all means though, continue to be a dick.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
    #21958664 - 07/17/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
That's how unfamiliar I am with most RC.




Then stop commenting on this issue.



Just because I am not familiar with all RC does not mean I am not familiar with LSD.
I don't bother with it anymore cause lately, I haven't seen good stuff, just one of the hundreds of RCs.
Sorry that I don't remember the name of all of them. Man, some people are just ass holes.
The issue is not about rc but about good vs. bad LSD. By all means though, continue to be a dick.




I will be an asshole then for trying to help people not poison themselves with dangerous experimental chemicals. That is fine.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21958710 - 07/17/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I gave no information that would put people in danger of poisoning themselves, soooo I don't know what you are talking about?

"trying to help people not poison themselves with dangerous experimental chemicals."
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This is exactly what my comment was meant to do. Steer people away from LSD or be weary of it because it could be some dangerous RC,
but you'd rather point out how I mixed up the name of one RC with another drug. Whatever though.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21958761 - 07/17/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Idk if it's true, but I heard impure or less pure LSD can cause more of a body load, I've experienced the jaw pressure/tension you are talking about myself, and even some leg tension but nothing too major, and was tested to be lsd in front of me.

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No thats not true all LSD can cause side effects. People got muscle aches from Sandoz.

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Sounds like it was poorly made acid, I usually get some jaw tension and back aches from acid that isn't the best. I've recently got some stuff that has none of that it comes on smooth as fuck.




So you need to get a friend and get them to give you the LSD and not say if its the "poorly made" LSD or the "smooth" LSD. You guys keep stating this is a fact but are doing zero to prove it. Prove you can determine dirty LSD in blind tests. 
No such thing as bad LSD, or dirty LSD, etc. Its all LSD and it can be good effects or bad effects. Pretty sure by now there would be one print that was universally determined by all to be dirty, yet every single print has 100s of people who liked it. There has never been LSD that has been identified as dirty by the internet. And no one can pick put the dirty LSD in blind tests.
Yet people continue to believe this. There is no proof and lots of evidence it's wrong, but because Chinacat said it it keeps being restated as fact.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: my3rdeye]
    #21964564 - 07/19/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think there is a lot of confusion about the hierarchy of LSD.

This weekend I had the opportunity to try some very bad LSD in comparison to some alleged swiss needlepoint.

People can tell me what they want now, it was like the difference between a three and a ten.

Once you felt how REAL acid gets into your perception, you know that you have been given the real deal.

It seemed that the bad LSD with the unreacted ergot alkaloids and the residues of side reactions make the trip not only less intense but also less clear and it doesn't go so much on your optical perception but you still had euphoria and enlightened thinking. Also with the bad stuff you felt crampy sensations in your limps, which is clear if you take unreacted ergot.

People if you never got anything better than goo blotters, don't give up the hope because some day something really really good will come your way, like the way it's supposed to be.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
    #21964647 - 07/19/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You took a weaker dose, or an RC. There are no unreacted ergoloids that affect you. It's d-LSD combined non-psychoactive stereoisomers. This is easily discerned through a laboratory test that reads the peaks of each component of the crystal. Which is done. There are test results of blotter that show this. Also, LSD itself is fully capable of causing cramps. This is documented in scientific research utilizing pharmaceutical grade LSD. Doesn't get any purer than that. I have no confusion regarding the hierarchy of crystal. I was involved at one point to where I knew what we were working with. We had crystal of varying purities, and the only difference was potency. What you described is indicative of lower dose, which will still get you pretty high, but will have increased awareness of side effects as compared to intensity of experience.

I guarantee that I gave you 100 mics of 99.9% pure LSD crystal, and 200 mics of 50% pure LSD crystal, you would not be able to tell the difference. Furthermore, I gaurentee that if told you the 50% pure stuff was Swiss needlepoint at >98% purity you would swear that it was the cleanest LSD you've ever had. Then if I told you the 99.9% pure crystal was lavender, you would swear that it was way dirtier than the "Swiss needlepoint", and this proved that there is a difference. I know this is true, because I've seen it happen. Batches of crystal get laid, and they are given different names down the line as sales pitch. And those names affect the experience. People swear that they can feel the difference, when it's the same fucking crystal. Also, a lot of what is being sold as Swiss needlepoint these days isn't even close to 90% pure. It's standard work L being pumped out, not getting cleaned up, but given that name to sell. And people are buying into it hook, line, and sinker.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21964668 - 07/19/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, you're probably right...


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
    #21964685 - 07/19/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, you're probably right...




He is right.

"Swiss NeedlePoint"??
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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21964714 - 07/19/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just kidding. Believe whatever you like.

Effectively you are saying that a Psi. Cubensis has the same effect as Pan. Cyanescens, it's just dosage, set and setting.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
    #21964850 - 07/19/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Actually no. Mushrooms contain a few different psychoactive chemicals, and different species have different levels. Thus there is an actual chemical basis for different effects. LSD crystal contains one psychoactive compound; LSD-25. Any impurities are not psychoactive. This is known. My experience in this field is SMSA well known on these boards, as I've talked about it depth. Nor am I alone in this, and all say the same thing. If you'd read chinacat's posts you would also see that he says there is no qualitative difference in the experience related to different crystals; just potency. Yet you kids continue to deny experience, continue to deny scientific research in order to justify your belief in lot bullshit. At the end of the day you're wrong. Period. But continue to lap up your wook drug dealers bullshit if it makes you feel "h3tty".


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
    #21964879 - 07/19/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Effectively you are saying that a Psi. Cubensis has the same effect as Pan. Cyanescens, it's just dosage, set and setting.




Don't put words in my mouth. Listen to what we are saying or don't. It's your body/mind. We just provide information as best we can to keep people safe and not proliferate nonsense.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21965062 - 07/19/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You might consider to tell that to the erowid people
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Actually no. Mushrooms contain a few different psychoactive chemicals, and different species have different levels. Thus there is an actual chemical basis for different effects. LSD crystal contains one psychoactive compound; LSD-25. Any impurities are not psychoactive. This is known. My experience in this field is SMSA well known on these boards, as I've talked about it depth. Nor am I alone in this, and all say the same thing. If you'd read chinacat's posts you would also see that he says there is no qualitative difference in the experience related to different crystals; just potency. Yet you kids continue to deny experience, continue to deny scientific research in order to justify your belief in lot bullshit. At the end of the day you're wrong. Period. But continue to lap up your wook drug dealers bullshit if it makes you feel "h3tty".




I can tell you very sure from this weekends very fresh experience that there was a difference like night and day between the two products. A friend of mine said the same thing and I didn't tell him anything about the needlepoint thing, in fact he isn't into chemistry at all, he just said "Dude, this was the real thing. The last time with the other blotters was alright, it was nice, but this here is how it's supposed to be."

Also are there studies of influences of ergot alkaloids on each other? Like there are studies on Terpenes in Weed? Don't tell me similar substances don't influence each others' ways into the brain. Otherwise everybody would do LSA and feel the same, which by the way is well known to be a percursor of LSD.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
    #21965332 - 07/19/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'll chime in and say I've had slight head ache with jaw tension and then had what would be called clean feeling trips out of the same vial, and had the same happen with blotter that was off the same sheet. There are more factors than purity I think.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #21965372 - 07/19/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Same here. L from the same batch has had no body load and caused cramps and jaw tension during different trips.


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    #21965639 - 07/19/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Dude, this was the real thing. The last time with the other blotters was alright, it was nice, but this here is how it's supposed to be.




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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
    #21965779 - 07/19/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The leftovers are stereoisomers that are not active. This has been tested. Furthermore, any impurities will be outnumbered by the LSD.  LSA isn't active in anywhere near the dose as LSD is. You have no clue what you're talking about, I explained the fact that lower doses will give the experience you're talking about, and also explained that it's been scientifically proven that Sandoz has the same side effects as any street L of today. Yet you still keep your head in the sand. I gave anecdotes from actual experience in higher levels of distribution, yet you still deny it. I gave a reading recommendation based on studies done back in the day, yet you still deny it.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21970389 - 07/20/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

interesting stuff guys!haha, pretty fascinating coming from a LSD newbie.until i get a test kit i guess there's no way of knowing for sure what I received. i'm either guessing it was very strong LSD(but the set&setting wasn't right maybe?.never knew these factors would have such a substantial effect on the drug's feel.) or a tasteless,swallowable RC as mentioned. I seriously hope it's real since i hate RC's with a passion & i have 4 more of these tabs and i don't like to waste,lol.

Guess i'm going to pop another tab in the near future to see if i get a better experience from this stuff.


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: kushkingston]
    #22018979 - 07/30/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok. After some research I admit it could have been ETH-LAD.
(The joy and the clarity, but not the optics, the "fuzzy" experience... must have been something like that.)

I wonder how much of the blotters on the market really is ETH-LAD. I guess the people who talk about it don't notice it and the people who notice it won't talk about it ^^


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22019055 - 07/30/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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False. While LSD does differ in purity, the impurities are not psychoactive. You can't feel the impurities. The only difference is in potency. OP, you probably took L. Set & setting have powerful effect. There are qualitative differences in trips; that's the nature of psychedelia.





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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22019073 - 07/30/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You're wrong, plain & simple. That difference is all in your head. I've eaten a lot of LSD myself. More to the point, I spent some time high up enough in the distribution chain to know what crystals the doses were laid with. There were always different reports of side effects with the same batch. Furthermore, I've personally witnessed the same batch of crystal get given different names as it made it's way down the line. People would swear that the doses "laid with fluff" were cleaner. The silver had more tension, aches, jaw clenching, etc. except the doses in question were all the same exact batch of silver, and were laid at the same time, on the same paper. People would just hear the name silver & attribute any side effects to that. Vice versa folks would hear fluff & swear it felt smoother. It's all in your head.

Furthermore, the same distribution of the same side effects seen today were noted during the studies done with Sandoz LSD back in the 50s & early 60s. These side effects varied among the same people, on the same dose as well. Different day, different mind set, differences in their physiology on that day; boom. Differences in body load. The book "LSD Spitituality & the Creative Process" breaks this done very concisely, and is based on a study involving hundreds of people given the same dose of Sandoz LSD per kg of bodyweight over the course of years.




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    #22019103 - 07/30/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Don't even need a whole tab to test; a sliver works.Though there are a few different lysergic analogues out these days that would pop purple on an erhlichs. The ehrlichs tests for an indole ring, not LSD itself.





....had some wow come up amber colored. ...wtf?....took 3 hits.....backache!...ugh:shrug:


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    #22019116 - 07/30/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Nah, L > mushrooms any day. Just gotta be smart, do some digging, use the resources we have at our disposal & you can find the quality. Plenty of high quality L abounds these days.





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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: kushkingston]
    #22019286 - 07/30/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Hi everyone!

well me and my friends went to a music festival for the first time last week(it was awesome) and we were really excited when we found a guy that had "acid".I even got more excited when he said it was tasteless. we all took one tab, and i even swallowed it. The onset was similar to LSD, but at the peak it just felt really different.trippy fractals, but it was weird. we all had a jaw tension/pressure and our pupils weren't even big?it was slightly more uncomfortable then LSD.I was trying to enjoy the high, but honestly i couldn't ignore the weirdness.

Do you guys have any ideas on what i may have ingested? if it wasn't lsd, why did i get high by swallowing it?

Thanks. :smile:





You probably got AL-LAD, LSZ, or 1p-LSD :shrug:


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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22021218 - 07/30/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Don't even need a whole tab to test; a sliver works.Though there are a few different lysergic analogues out these days that would pop purple on an erhlichs. The ehrlichs tests for an indole ring, not LSD itself.





....had some wow come up amber colored. ...wtf?....took 3 hits.....backache!...ugh:shrug:




I think the back ache and muscle cramps come from tensing your muscles. I tend to do this and have experienced it on all psychs that I tried.

And, amber colored wow? That makes no sense.


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