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Big Bear
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DiscoBiscuitsTrip said: There isn't many people between me and the chemist
Whether you know it of not, you are lying. I've SEEN the crystal I eat. And I am nowhere near my chemist. There are VERY FEW lsd labs in the world. Anyone who claims they know a chemist isn't anywhere near one, and anyone who is near one is smart enough to keep their fuckin mouth shut about it.
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natedawgnow
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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: SteveRogers]
#21958650 - 07/17/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: That's how unfamiliar I am with most RC.
Then stop commenting on this issue.
Just because I am not familiar with all RC does not mean I am not familiar with LSD. I don't bother with it anymore cause lately, I haven't seen good stuff, just one of the hundreds of RCs. Sorry that I don't remember the name of all of them. Man, some people are just ass holes. The issue is not about rc but about good vs. bad LSD. By all means though, continue to be a dick.
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SteveRogers
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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#21958664 - 07/17/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said:
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SteveRogers said:
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natedawgnow said: That's how unfamiliar I am with most RC.
Then stop commenting on this issue.
Just because I am not familiar with all RC does not mean I am not familiar with LSD. I don't bother with it anymore cause lately, I haven't seen good stuff, just one of the hundreds of RCs. Sorry that I don't remember the name of all of them. Man, some people are just ass holes. The issue is not about rc but about good vs. bad LSD. By all means though, continue to be a dick.
I will be an asshole then for trying to help people not poison themselves with dangerous experimental chemicals. That is fine.
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natedawgnow
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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: SteveRogers]
#21958710 - 07/17/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I gave no information that would put people in danger of poisoning themselves, soooo I don't know what you are talking about?
"trying to help people not poison themselves with dangerous experimental chemicals." ^ This is exactly what my comment was meant to do. Steer people away from LSD or be weary of it because it could be some dangerous RC, but you'd rather point out how I mixed up the name of one RC with another drug. Whatever though.
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SirShroomsAlott said: Idk if it's true, but I heard impure or less pure LSD can cause more of a body load, I've experienced the jaw pressure/tension you are talking about myself, and even some leg tension but nothing too major, and was tested to be lsd in front of me.
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No thats not true all LSD can cause side effects. People got muscle aches from Sandoz.
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DiscoBiscuitsTrip said: Sounds like it was poorly made acid, I usually get some jaw tension and back aches from acid that isn't the best. I've recently got some stuff that has none of that it comes on smooth as fuck.
So you need to get a friend and get them to give you the LSD and not say if its the "poorly made" LSD or the "smooth" LSD. You guys keep stating this is a fact but are doing zero to prove it. Prove you can determine dirty LSD in blind tests. No such thing as bad LSD, or dirty LSD, etc. Its all LSD and it can be good effects or bad effects. Pretty sure by now there would be one print that was universally determined by all to be dirty, yet every single print has 100s of people who liked it. There has never been LSD that has been identified as dirty by the internet. And no one can pick put the dirty LSD in blind tests. Yet people continue to believe this. There is no proof and lots of evidence it's wrong, but because Chinacat said it it keeps being restated as fact.
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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: my3rdeye]
#21964564 - 07/19/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think there is a lot of confusion about the hierarchy of LSD.
This weekend I had the opportunity to try some very bad LSD in comparison to some alleged swiss needlepoint.
People can tell me what they want now, it was like the difference between a three and a ten.
Once you felt how REAL acid gets into your perception, you know that you have been given the real deal.
It seemed that the bad LSD with the unreacted ergot alkaloids and the residues of side reactions make the trip not only less intense but also less clear and it doesn't go so much on your optical perception but you still had euphoria and enlightened thinking. Also with the bad stuff you felt crampy sensations in your limps, which is clear if you take unreacted ergot.
People if you never got anything better than goo blotters, don't give up the hope because some day something really really good will come your way, like the way it's supposed to be.
Edited by sof4r0ckeRs1984 (07/19/15 11:42 AM)
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Dark_Star
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You took a weaker dose, or an RC. There are no unreacted ergoloids that affect you. It's d-LSD combined non-psychoactive stereoisomers. This is easily discerned through a laboratory test that reads the peaks of each component of the crystal. Which is done. There are test results of blotter that show this. Also, LSD itself is fully capable of causing cramps. This is documented in scientific research utilizing pharmaceutical grade LSD. Doesn't get any purer than that. I have no confusion regarding the hierarchy of crystal. I was involved at one point to where I knew what we were working with. We had crystal of varying purities, and the only difference was potency. What you described is indicative of lower dose, which will still get you pretty high, but will have increased awareness of side effects as compared to intensity of experience.
I guarantee that I gave you 100 mics of 99.9% pure LSD crystal, and 200 mics of 50% pure LSD crystal, you would not be able to tell the difference. Furthermore, I gaurentee that if told you the 50% pure stuff was Swiss needlepoint at >98% purity you would swear that it was the cleanest LSD you've ever had. Then if I told you the 99.9% pure crystal was lavender, you would swear that it was way dirtier than the "Swiss needlepoint", and this proved that there is a difference. I know this is true, because I've seen it happen. Batches of crystal get laid, and they are given different names down the line as sales pitch. And those names affect the experience. People swear that they can feel the difference, when it's the same fucking crystal. Also, a lot of what is being sold as Swiss needlepoint these days isn't even close to 90% pure. It's standard work L being pumped out, not getting cleaned up, but given that name to sell. And people are buying into it hook, line, and sinker.
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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: Dark_Star]
#21964668 - 07/19/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, you're probably right...
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SteveRogers
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sof4r0ckeRs1984 said: Yeah, you're probably right...
He is right.
"Swiss NeedlePoint"??
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sof4r0ckeRs1984



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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: SteveRogers]
#21964714 - 07/19/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just kidding. Believe whatever you like.
Effectively you are saying that a Psi. Cubensis has the same effect as Pan. Cyanescens, it's just dosage, set and setting.
Edited by sof4r0ckeRs1984 (07/19/15 12:33 PM)
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Dark_Star
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Actually no. Mushrooms contain a few different psychoactive chemicals, and different species have different levels. Thus there is an actual chemical basis for different effects. LSD crystal contains one psychoactive compound; LSD-25. Any impurities are not psychoactive. This is known. My experience in this field is SMSA well known on these boards, as I've talked about it depth. Nor am I alone in this, and all say the same thing. If you'd read chinacat's posts you would also see that he says there is no qualitative difference in the experience related to different crystals; just potency. Yet you kids continue to deny experience, continue to deny scientific research in order to justify your belief in lot bullshit. At the end of the day you're wrong. Period. But continue to lap up your wook drug dealers bullshit if it makes you feel "h3tty".
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SteveRogers
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sof4r0ckeRs1984 said: Effectively you are saying that a Psi. Cubensis has the same effect as Pan. Cyanescens, it's just dosage, set and setting.
Don't put words in my mouth. Listen to what we are saying or don't. It's your body/mind. We just provide information as best we can to keep people safe and not proliferate nonsense.
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sof4r0ckeRs1984



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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: Dark_Star]
#21965062 - 07/19/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You might consider to tell that to the erowid peopleQuote:
Dark_Star said: Actually no. Mushrooms contain a few different psychoactive chemicals, and different species have different levels. Thus there is an actual chemical basis for different effects. LSD crystal contains one psychoactive compound; LSD-25. Any impurities are not psychoactive. This is known. My experience in this field is SMSA well known on these boards, as I've talked about it depth. Nor am I alone in this, and all say the same thing. If you'd read chinacat's posts you would also see that he says there is no qualitative difference in the experience related to different crystals; just potency. Yet you kids continue to deny experience, continue to deny scientific research in order to justify your belief in lot bullshit. At the end of the day you're wrong. Period. But continue to lap up your wook drug dealers bullshit if it makes you feel "h3tty".
I can tell you very sure from this weekends very fresh experience that there was a difference like night and day between the two products. A friend of mine said the same thing and I didn't tell him anything about the needlepoint thing, in fact he isn't into chemistry at all, he just said "Dude, this was the real thing. The last time with the other blotters was alright, it was nice, but this here is how it's supposed to be."
Also are there studies of influences of ergot alkaloids on each other? Like there are studies on Terpenes in Weed? Don't tell me similar substances don't influence each others' ways into the brain. Otherwise everybody would do LSA and feel the same, which by the way is well known to be a percursor of LSD.
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I'll chime in and say I've had slight head ache with jaw tension and then had what would be called clean feeling trips out of the same vial, and had the same happen with blotter that was off the same sheet. There are more factors than purity I think.
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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: DurgaDurg]
#21965372 - 07/19/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Same here. L from the same batch has had no body load and caused cramps and jaw tension during different trips.
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tryptkaloids
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Dude, this was the real thing. The last time with the other blotters was alright, it was nice, but this here is how it's supposed to be.
you got something that was low dosed or something that wasn't L
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Dark_Star
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The leftovers are stereoisomers that are not active. This has been tested. Furthermore, any impurities will be outnumbered by the LSD. LSA isn't active in anywhere near the dose as LSD is. You have no clue what you're talking about, I explained the fact that lower doses will give the experience you're talking about, and also explained that it's been scientifically proven that Sandoz has the same side effects as any street L of today. Yet you still keep your head in the sand. I gave anecdotes from actual experience in higher levels of distribution, yet you still deny it. I gave a reading recommendation based on studies done back in the day, yet you still deny it.
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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: Dark_Star]
#21970389 - 07/20/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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interesting stuff guys!haha, pretty fascinating coming from a LSD newbie.until i get a test kit i guess there's no way of knowing for sure what I received. i'm either guessing it was very strong LSD(but the set&setting wasn't right maybe?.never knew these factors would have such a substantial effect on the drug's feel.) or a tasteless,swallowable RC as mentioned. I seriously hope it's real since i hate RC's with a passion & i have 4 more of these tabs and i don't like to waste,lol.
Guess i'm going to pop another tab in the near future to see if i get a better experience from this stuff.
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sof4r0ckeRs1984



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Ok. After some research I admit it could have been ETH-LAD. (The joy and the clarity, but not the optics, the "fuzzy" experience... must have been something like that.)
I wonder how much of the blotters on the market really is ETH-LAD. I guess the people who talk about it don't notice it and the people who notice it won't talk about it ^^
Edited by sof4r0ckeRs1984 (07/30/15 09:35 AM)
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Re: what do you think I took? [Re: Dark_Star]
#22019055 - 07/30/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: False. While LSD does differ in purity, the impurities are not psychoactive. You can't feel the impurities. The only difference is in potency. OP, you probably took L. Set & setting have powerful effect. There are qualitative differences in trips; that's the nature of psychedelia.
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