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To those who believe in God 2
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Do you consider him/her/it an alien? Discuss.
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I don't believe in God necessarily nor do I disbelieve in him.
But it's a pretty fucking alien concept
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Is God alien? Yes. Is God an alien?? C'mon dude...
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Shiithead]
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So that's far fetched but believing an invisible man is going to send you to a fieryy burning oblivion for all of eternity for touching your dick is resonable?
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No you just go blind and learn piano. Get over yourself.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: r00tuuu123] 5
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I think it's just consciousness repeated infinitely across some sort of physical plan. You are an echo of the universe and what ever is outside it/deep within it. As within, so without mannnnnnnnnn There's no separation between what is "it" and what is you and everything else.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Eggtimer]
#21954795 - 07/17/15 04:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I believe through man's history, advanced alien species have been interpreted or understood as God(s) … however, it is quite possible they are native to our planet and/or came here before modern humans entered the equation. I believe a fair amount of early man's creation mythology has something to do with advanced alien beings whether they be inter dimensional or physical.
However, I think God, meaning the uber power of the universe is simply the conscious awareness of all that is and has no real interest at all in our drama here on earth and certainly not in listening to and answering "prayers." This God is simply the most refined and aware energy in the universe, not some super-santa making lists and checking them twice.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca] 2
#21954801 - 07/17/15 04:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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God is all places inside and around you. God is YOU in all your guises.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
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God is inside me? How do I press rape charges.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: TNK]
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God IS you. There is no point in the inside world and outside world that isnt you.
The sensation of your body and mind being separate from everything is an illusion.
YOU ARE CONSTRUCTING THIS WORLD AND EVERYTHING IN IT. ALL THE GLORY, ALL THE DOOM, THE SANITY AND MADNESS ITS ALL YOU IN YOUR MANY GUISES.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante] 1
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The notion of God being an alien seems very human-centric and not very God-like... so I'm going to go with no.
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If you consider God an alien you are placing him outside yourself. How can something that is everything stand apart from you? You are the realest thing you know.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
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Which god/gods are we talking about?
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The highest God.
The God that is All Things. The One that Encompasses Everything. Thats not the God most religious people believe in, but its the God that the mystics of their religions know to be the Highest.
A God that is only Good is not the man in charge. It needs to encompass everything, Good and Evil, virtuousness and sin, the most distant photon of the Big Bang must be accounted for, else you talk to a middle man, not THE God.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
#21954856 - 07/17/15 05:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said: If you consider God an alien you are placing him outside yourself. How can something that is everything stand apart from you? You are the realest thing you know.
Perhaps there's the "big God" and there are some sub Gods going on too???
Maybe God has several layers of management going on?
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Asante said: If you consider God an alien you are placing him outside yourself. How can something that is everything stand apart from you? You are the realest thing you know.
Perhaps there's the "big God" and there are some sub Gods going on too???
Maybe God has several layers of management going on?
Thats absolutely how it is (or at least how I'm taught) You yourself are a Middle Man, just like the chair you sit on and Jesus.
Picture it like this, for simplicity:
You have a building component. It has everything there ever can be inside it in latent form, and only its nature at the time in its manifest form.
Now picture that absolutely everything is made of these building components.
Now picture that every building component evolves eternally to a higher form, a higher manifestness, a journey from the Smallest Thing (maybe a photon) to the Biggest Thing (The Multiverse Entirely.) And once it is Biggest, it becomes Smallest again.
Got that metaphor? Read it again if you don't grasp it. Got it?
Now picture that ALL these building blocks are in fact multiple manifestations of one single building block that is all things.
THere is only One and the ILLUSION of Many, and YOU ARE THAT ONE.
Have one, its on the house.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
#21954871 - 07/17/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said: If you consider God an alien you are placing him outside yourself. How can something that is everything stand apart from you? You are the realest thing you know.
But how do we know he is everything, or even there, I'm not saying he is or isn't I'm just curious to here your view on it.
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Because this is all really happening..
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
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I like to call god (all that is).
Now for the earthly physical gods like Viracocha, Quetzalcoatl, and the early dynastic period Egyptian gods could be alien or from some more advance civilization on earth.
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Asante said: If you consider God an alien you are placing him outside yourself. How can something that is everything stand apart from you? You are the realest thing you know.
But how do we know he is everything, or even there, I'm not saying he is or isn't I'm just curious to here your view on it.
"The All Encompassing One" is a definition that fits everything there is, taken as one. So if anything exists in any way it will be bundled under that definition.
God and Multiverse are synonymous.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Amanita86]
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"I am, that I am".. - God
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All that Is, was, will and can be.
I Am That I Am.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
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THere is only One and the ILLUSION of Many, and YOU ARE THAT ONE.
To not even consider, however, that many of our beliefs about God and the many mythologies that have built our religious belief systems may have had some kind of advanced species connection that has been interpreted or attributed as God, I think is a mistake. Virtually every single creation mythology on our planet has an element of advanced being(s) from space that have intervened to assist mankind.
I don't believe that's the ethereal God that you and I are talking about, but I think it's quite possible that our beliefs have been heavily influenced by some kind of alien advanced species.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
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That falls in line with superstitious people in a superstitious time, where they attributed volcanos to God's wrath or disaster as punishment or shooting stars as a message.
They equated things they didnt understand to god, especially when it came from something they couldnt get to or understand at the time, space. And now that we're advanced we can interpret it as advanced beings, when really it was just people trying to make explanations for things they couldn't comprehend.
You'd have to really consider what it would take to traverse the universe and all the factors involved in doing so, things coming here could definitely be a possibility, but soon many factors making it very improbable or unlikely.
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Why do you think they have to "come here" from far away? Maybe they've been here all along or well before we emerged?
Perhaps they travel inter dimensionally where time and space simply don't exist?
Perhaps life emerged on Mars a billion years ago and advanced beings evolved there and took control of our solar system? As such, they've could have been here all along?
Maybe the universe is actually a multi-verse with many dimensions that advanced beings have mastered much the way we use frequencies on a radio?
Thinking that advanced beings travel the way we do is part of the problem.
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I've always believed in myself.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
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So is adding tons of hypotheticals to support a hypothesis with no proof.
I'm definitely open to many possibilities and I certainly don't know the answer, aliens I just don't think is likely.
I like the Mars theory though, I don't th ink it was advanced beings, but when life was on the planet it got hit with something big enough to eject material out in space, and some kind of life, probably simple organisms, we're able to survive the transfer.
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SirShroomsAlott said: So is adding tons of hypotheticals to support a hypothesis with no proof.
I'm definitely open to many possibilities and I certainly don't know the answer, aliens I just don't think is likely.
I like the Mars theory though, I don't th ink it was advanced beings, but when life was on the planet it got hit with something big enough to eject material out in space, and some kind of life, probably simple organisms, we're able to survive the transfer.
The evidence of advanced beings interacting with humans on this planet has certainly got a lot of very diverse evidence. Most of the people that say "there's no evidence" have put out zero effort to look at it because, honestly, there are mountains of it. Whether it's the ancient writings in India describing a nuclear war between two advanced civilizations, or drawings everywhere of space beings, or thousands of global military reports of alien spacecrafts, or testimony from astronauts of advanced beings they've seen, or defense secretaries on the record for knowing about the alien presence or launch pads at 12,000 feet in Bolivia, or Pyramids all over the planet or similar myths of space beings from virtually every culture on the planet or you name it …
The files of evidence are enormous. If you choose to ignore it, fine, but to say it doesn't exist is silly.
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Its a shame how people just disregard all legends and ancient stories from around the globe because they sound silly. Why are these stories soo similar from all parts of the world and around the same time yet these civilizations dont even know the others exist? History I think holds a lot of answerers.
I'm not saying its aliens from another dimension or other shit like that. But I'm not going to rule that out either
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My take on spirituality (God)
I definitely believe in something which many would call God, but I also believe in Science. I believe that God is all around us, in everything, but what God really is to me is Love. Pure unconditional love.
I wish I could elaborate more, but must leave for work. I have oodles to write about this, this type of thing fascinates me. I will say this, I have experienced God as a woman, man, and something totally alien.
Have you good day Pub.
Happy Friday
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Well we'll have to agree to disagree
I've seen everything you mentioned and even read books by Erik von Danakin among many others because that stuff fascinates me (if I'm spelling his name right) and all of it was claims made at face value so sorry if I'm silly solely for not believing what you believe.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
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Psychonautica said: God is inside me? How do I press rape charges.
God IS you. There is no point in the inside world and outside world that isnt you.
The sensation of your body and mind being separate from everything is an illusion.
YOU ARE CONSTRUCTING THIS WORLD AND EVERYTHING IN IT. ALL THE GLORY, ALL THE DOOM, THE SANITY AND MADNESS ITS ALL YOU IN YOUR MANY GUISES.
Asante please change your avatar back. It is actually very powerful and kind of convinced me the universe is a singular consciousness
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SirShroomsAlott said: Well we'll have to agree to disagree
I've seen everything you mentioned and even read books by Erik von Danakin among many others because that stuff fascinates me (if I'm spelling his name right) and all of it was claims made at face value so sorry if I'm silly solely for not believing what you believe.
At some point you do have to deal with the reality that many military personnel, including astronauts, are on the record for having seen and interacted with alien craft and beings. They have no real reason to lie about it, don't write books about it, typically admit it near the end of their lives when government non-disclosure agreements become irrelevant.
Also have to deal with the reality that the global disclosure movement is in full swing with the US being the only major nation that has still not signed on to it. Countries like England, Russia, Germany, Brazil, Belguim, France, etc. have disclosed all of the UFO military files and the discoveries are nothing short of astounding.
It gets ZERO reporting in the US. The decade long interaction between the Brazilian Air Force and alien crafts are absolutely amazing, but .00001% of Americans have even heard of it. Why would multiple astronauts come forward and admit that the alien presence has been kept secret? Why would they do that? Why would the Sec'y of Defense from Canada admit there's an alien presence on our planet? Why? These people are not writing books or making money on it at all.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Roflspammer]
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Roflspammer said: God is an Indian and you're an asshole, get on your horse and ride
Why am I an asshole?
@orca I haven't seen any of that and as I said I'm open to it, but th us far havent seen anything convincing.
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Roflspammer said: God is an Indian and you're an asshole, get on your horse and ride
Why am I an asshole?
@orca I haven't seen any of that and as I said I'm open to it, but th us far havent seen anything convincing.
I don't want you to take this as an attack because you come across as a very reasonable and fair person … but to be totally honest, when I hear someone say there's no evidence of an alien presence on this planet it's no different than hearing some nitwit (you're not a nitwit) say something like:
- There's no evidence of evolution - The big bang is just a fairy tale of science - Burning millions of gallons of fuel and burning coal has no impact on our climate - We never went to the moon, it's a big hoax - etc…..
There is a ton of evidence that is easily accessed. Reagan and Clinton were both OBSESSED with aliens and UFO's. John Podesta, who was Clinton's chief of staff and who now runs Hillary's campaign is the #1 advocate in the US for full disclosure. He is totally and completely convinced of the UFO presence. There are many on the record from Reagan's administration that said he was the last president to get the full briefing.
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You should check it out when you have some time. There's some pretty credible guys going on record.. I was really into that about 2 years ago.
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But he loves you so much...
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I'll definitely have to look into it, wasn't aware of anything you're saying. I'm not against it at all, just the evidence I have seen hasn't been very plausible, if anything it be extremely cool if they were/are here.
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Psychonautica said: So that's far fetched but believing an invisible man is going to send you to a fieryy burning oblivion for all of eternity for touching your dick is resonable?
But he loves you so much...
You guys are hurt. You have been convinced by the powers that be, that God is what they say. But God is what God is. Even if He is nothing to you, He still is. You can run on for a long time, but soon, the only place you can run is into the abyss. I believe He will give you another chance though, He will say "follow My lead or take your own." I wish you all the best.
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Cool picture.
Is God, a hyper-powerful being that created everything in the Universe (Multiverse?), an alien....
Hmmmm, depends on what u call an "alien".
Im not sure what God is, but i believe its beyond "Alien".
I will say after smoking DMT, the Universe feels very "alien".
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Shiithead]
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You have also been convinced by the powers that be that God is what they say it is.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Shiithead]
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Psychonautica said: So that's far fetched but believing an invisible man is going to send you to a fieryy burning oblivion for all of eternity for touching your dick is resonable?
But he loves you so much...
You guys are hurt. You have been convinced by the powers that be, that God is what they say. But God is what God is. Even if He is nothing to you, He still is. You can run on for a long time, but soon, the only place you can run is into the abyss. I believe He will give you another chance though, He will say "follow My lead or take your own." I wish you all the best.
I believe in God.
But I do not believe that God is an individual, I believe he is the Universe, and everything within it. God is all, and all makes up God.
So uhh..it makes absolutely no sense how God can be an individual, or as to why he would even CARE about humans on a piece of dust in a piece of dust solar system, the scale of this Universe makes no sense for him to even be aware that we exist. Lol
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When you grow a field of cannabis, you pay attention to each plant..
You act like this wasn't voluntary and with definite purpose.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Dark_Star] 2
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Hey guys you know how you hate being bored right? Imagine you've found a problem to boredom. The solution is a maze you're building for yourself to occupy your time. You've built the maze so well as to become lost within it's endless labyrinths
^god You've left yourself hints, ways out of the maze but you had to make the hints seem repulsive so you would not get out of the maze too easily. In walks psychedelics
Now do you see what's going on here?
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Amanita86]
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You act like this wasn't voluntary and with definite purpose.
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.."
There is no proof that he grew us. Actually, there is proof that he did not. Humans come from humans.
Chickens come from chickens.
It is opinion that humans come from God.
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Some of us have been shown proof..
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Amanita86]
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People take the Bible too literally.
You do not have to follow the Bible to the letter in order to have faith in God and feel you will still go to Heaven.
God is forgiving and understanding. I believe in God but I do not follow everything the Bible says. I believe in free will and that just because man meant to interpret God's meaning, doesn't mean it was interpreted correctly.
Sex before marriage, masturbation, being gay.... None of those things are sending you to hell and the God I believe in would agree.
I also believe that science and religion go hand in hand. People think its one or the other... Evolution or God. Why not both? If God created everything, then he created science and evolution and gave Mother Nature the ability to adapt and humans the ability to think for themselves. If God is all knowing than he anticipated peoples disbelief and is okay with that.
I dont express my faith in God to others, I keep to myself and let people believe what they want to believe. You can't prove or disprove God and I am very open to anything factually related.
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It is opinion that humans come from God.
A key question is do advanced beings play a role in the development of DNA and species on our planet or is it all completely independent, random and chaotic?
It think there is a lot of evidence going back thousands of years, that for whatever reason, some very advanced beings have taken an interest in our planet.
Our ancestors may have called these beings Gods, but we don't see it that way now.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Herbologist] 1
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You do not have to follow the Bible to the letter in order to have faith in God and feel you will still go to Heaven.
Joseph Campbell said repeatedly that the biggest mistake we make in our modern world is mistaking metaphor for fact when it comes to religion that forms our belief systems.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
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God is in all things, alien would not do It justice. Alien means weird and foreign, but everything alien is still a part of Creation, therefore not God (and yet, nothing but God.)
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This is obviously a highly coordinated global building project … how else to interpret this? Some kind of trillion to one coincidence that involves millions of slave hours?
Take a look at the ruins at Puma Punku … This is obviously some kind of ancient launch pad that blew up and every local legend supports this. There was, at some point in our past, some kind of guidance that was given to the Human race that simply was not some kind of organic coincidence that "just happened." The evidence of very advanced beings on our planet in the past is EVERYWHERE you look and, in fact, so visible that we ignore it.
Why was Reagan and Clinton absolutely obsessed with getting the full story on the alien presence? Because the entire alien presence has been outsourced to privately owned corporations so that it can escape the prying eyes of constantly changing political leaders that do not have the ability to maintain consistency of message and management of these programs.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Turtletotem] 1
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Alien means "not from here" God is the HERE of EVERYWHERE.
God isnt Alien, on the contrary.
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Pyramid = very stable shape.
Saying how coincidental it is that pyramids show up throughout human history is like saying how weird it is that trees are green on top.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Turtletotem]
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Pyramid = very stable shape.
Saying how coincidental it is that pyramids show up throughout human history is like saying how weird it is that trees are green on top.
Why is their alignment so similar to the Orion stars? Why this enormous global motivation to capture slaves to build the giant structures from civilizations completely disconnected from one another?
I think you are grossly under estimating the effort it takes to build structures like this with muscle, ropes and pulleys.
Why, finally, do virtually ALL of these civilizations state clearly that they were guided and taught by beings that came from the stars? WHY?
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
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People have always looked up at the stars. Common human interests do not equal coordinated efforts.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Amanita86]
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It is opinion that humans come from God.
A key question is do advanced beings play a role in the development of DNA and species on our planet or is it all completely independent, random and chaotic?
It think there is a lot of evidence going back thousands of years, that for whatever reason, some very advanced beings have taken an interest in our planet.
Our ancestors may have called these beings Gods, but we don't see it that way now.
I agree completely. But these beings were a far more advanced race IMO, not 1 indivudual 'God'/spirit.
Humans are getting to the point where we can alter genetics, create new species. Some other race back in teh day helped the human race out.
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Yea, dumbass, and so have we.
This is the problem, we have been shown proof of our believes to ourselfs too.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Dark_Star]
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Why would ancient man look to the stars and somehow think that ancient beings were traveling from there? With the exception of the moon, does anything even remotely, in the sky, look like beings would live there?
All ancient creation myths involve beings that came to earth … real, physical beings, that interacted with them, taught them, instructed and in many cases, manipulated genetics … Why all these creation myths so similar? There's simply too many of these stories that line up perfectly to call it some kind of global coincidence. I spend a ton of time outdoors and look at the night sky a lot. I cannot see how anyone would look up there and just naturally reason that advanced beings were coming from there … unless of course, they did.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
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All ancient creation myths involve beings that came to earth … real, physical beings, that interacted with them, taught them, instructed and in many cases, manipulated genetics … Why all these creation myths so similar? There's simply too many of these stories that line up perfectly to call it some kind of global coincidence. I spend a ton of time outdoors and look at the night sky a lot. I cannot see how anyone would look up there and just naturally reason that advanced beings were coming from there … unless of course, they did.
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So then what's the fuckin' problem, dumbass.. ?
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Human imagination is a powerful thing. The stars engender wonder in most who look at them. Easy to see ancient man seeing gods twinkling up there.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Amanita86]
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Amanita86 said: So then what's the fuckin' problem, dumbass.. ?
I said it.
You acted like just because youve been shown things, its 100% fact.
Well I have also been shown my believes, they have been displayed to me as 'this makes sense, this is how it is'.
Your just silly. Keep reading your Bible. (written by a bunch of people who claimed God was channeling these words through them) Have some blind faith that that words were coming from God? Who knows where they came from? What entity told them that shit?
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Dark_Star]
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LMAO!!! Ancient man from all cultures all around the globe seeing the same things and telling the same creation myths and building similar structures all at once? Come on.
More likely that ancient man had a far more potent and interactive relationship with his dreaming states and that world was much more a part of his daily experience. Probably had relationships with dream entities that played a much bigger role in his experience of his life. It is probably likely that many in these ancient cultures had far more developed out of body travel capabilities and lucid dreaming skills that enabled him/her to learn things that to us seem quite foreign and taboo now.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Dark_Star said: Human imagination is a powerful thing. The stars engender wonder in most who look at them. Easy to see ancient man seeing gods twinkling up there.
LMAO!!! Ancient man from all cultures all around the globe seeing the same things and telling the same creation myths and building similar structures all at once? Come on.
More likely that ancient man had a far more potent and interactive relationship with his dreaming states and that world was much more a part of his daily experience. Probably had relationships with dream entities that played a much bigger role in his experience of his life. It is probably likely that many in these ancient cultures had far more developed out of body travel capabilities and lucid dreaming skills that enabled him/her to learn things that to us seem quite foreign and taboo now.
Humanity was so much farther advanced SPIRITUALY back in the day. Now Humanity is much more advanced TECHNOLOGICALLY, and has lost most of its natural spiritual abilities. But each person has these abilities within themselves, they just have to learn how to unlock them, through their OWN power.
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Your just silly. Keep reading your Bible. (written by a bunch of people who claimed God was channeling these words through them)
The bible, BTW, is quite clear that advanced beings came to earth, interacted with man and mated with females altering the Human genome. Very specific about it.
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Humanity was so much farther advanced SPIRITUALY back in the day. Now Humanity is much more advanced TECHNOLOGICALLY, and has lost most of its natural spiritual abilities. But each person has these abilities within themselves, they just have to learn how to unlock them, through their OWN power.
Agree with you 100% although I'd add that there is a small but growing population here on earth that is developing these abilities to an even higher level. They aren't at critical mass yet to really impact our culture, but will be at some point in the not too distant future.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Your just silly. Keep reading your Bible. (written by a bunch of people who claimed God was channeling these words through them)
The bible, BTW, is quite clear that advanced beings came to earth, interacted with man and mated with females altering the Human genome. Very specific about it.
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Humanity was so much farther advanced SPIRITUALY back in the day. Now Humanity is much more advanced TECHNOLOGICALLY, and has lost most of its natural spiritual abilities. But each person has these abilities within themselves, they just have to learn how to unlock them, through their OWN power.
Agree with you 100% although I'd add that there is a small but growing population here on earth that is developing these abilities to an even higher level. They aren't at critical mass yet to really impact our culture, but will be at some point in the not too distant future.
You are right about that. Im not sure what to make of all this quite yet, until some changes come along.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Humans are similar creatures. Despite differences in culture, there are many common threads. It's a lot more likely that humans came up with those myths than it is that beings from hundreds of thousands of light years away came here to create us. As far as similar structures go, that was already explained. Pyramids are structurally sound, and easy to design. All of your evidence is circumstantial.
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You are right about that. Im not sure what to make of all this quite yet, until some changes come along.
What screws up everything is the whole "savior element" of our modern belief system. This is, I believe, a social engineering tactic that the Romans really leveraged and became part of the train tracks of the Western world.
When you take the savior element out and then just look at all the myths in terms of there just might be advanced beings trying to help us … not save us … not judge us … not offer us salvation because we don't need it … but simply to give us a little nudge here and there when we need it.
And, of course, there might be exploitative malevolent entities out there that, like parasites or predators are exploiting our planet. Not because they're evil, but because we are a lesser species they can exploit much the way we exploit domesticated animals.
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Dark_Star said: Humans are similar creatures. Despite differences in culture, there are many common threads. It's a lot more likely that humans came up with those myths than it is that beings from hundreds of thousands of light years away came here to create us. As far as similar structures go, that was already explained. Pyramids are structurally sound, and easy to design. All of your evidence is circumstantial.
Why is it more "likely?" It seems much less likely to me that every culture around the planet made up a shared lie about our origin?
What is your take on the structures at Puma Punku? Why in the world were they built at such a high altitude? Why the legends that they were an ancient launching pad for alien craft and when it's put together, that's exactly what it looks like? WHY?
WTF would build something like that at such a high altitude? Imagine the effort? Trees don't grow that high so there's no way to even roll the giant stones around.
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Dark_Star said: Humans are similar creatures. Despite differences in culture, there are many common threads. It's a lot more likely that humans came up with those myths than it is that beings from hundreds of thousands of light years away came here to create us. As far as similar structures go, that was already explained. Pyramids are structurally sound, and easy to design. All of your evidence is circumstantial.
Why is it more "likely?" It seems much less likely to me that every culture around the planet made up a shared lie about our origin?
What is your take on the structures at Puma Punku? Why in the world were they built at such a high altitude? Why the legends that they were an ancient launching pad for alien craft and when it's put together, that's exactly what it looks like? WHY?
WTF would build something like that at such a high altitude? Imagine the effort? Trees don't grow that high so there's no way to even roll the giant stones around.
When our vast city landscapes are found in the ruins of the future do you think they'll ask why we built them? Surely these people were insane. How could they have built so many giant structures? Would they even understand that most of them were built for "work" related purpose? If they didn't have the idea that work is something to be done everyday they would not understand just like we don't understand stuff like the pyramids and Stonehenge. Without cultural context meaning is lost.
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I wouldn't call it a shared lie...it's a shared myth. Could have easily come from the collective unconscious. Not to mention shreds of history that merely grew over campfire tellings. The end of last ice age had reverberations all over the world. As far as puma punku, I don't know what it is...but launchpad is hardly the most likely notion. People go to higher elevations for any number of reasons; security being number 1. The high ground is easily defendable, provides great lines of sight, and is a bitch to reach. It's a great place for a stronghold. Humans throughout history have built in inhospitable high altitude regions for exactly that purpose. Puma Punku may very well be a refuge from an enemy....a human enemy.
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Dark_Star said: I wouldn't call it a shared lie...it's a shared myth. Could have easily come from the collective unconscious. Not to mention shreds of history that merely grew over campfire tellings. The end of last ice age had reverberations all over the world. As far as puma punku, I don't know what it is...but launchpad is hardly the most likely notion. People go to higher elevations for any number of reasons; security being number 1. The high ground is easily defendable, provides great lines of sight, and is a bitch to reach. It's a great place for a stronghold. Humans throughout history have built in inhospitable high altitude regions for exactly that purpose. Puma Punku may very well be a refuge from an enemy....a human enemy.
Every theory like this has one thing in common … it is in direct contradiction of what local legend says happen. The oral tradition handed down often with great care, must be thrown out because "we know better" and "they couldn't possibly have been telling the truth."
Whether it's the structures on Easter Island, the incredible rock structures in and around Cuzco, Puma Punku, the enormous underground ruins off of Japan and the Bahamas, or every creation myth of virtually every civilization on the history of the planet. Whether it's the Greeks, the Bible, the Sumerians, Vikings, and any of 100 indigenous cultures, they're ALL WRONG. ALL OF THEM. Every explanation of these advanced beings and how and why these incredible structures were built … ALL WRONG….
I find that incredible that anyone could make such an assertion.
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I very much like this. Time to get lost in love 
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You completely ignore human nature with that explanation. Stories grow, particularly ones that are told again & again. This has been proven. Whisper down the lane never ends the way it begins. The old tales are myths. Myths always have seeds of fact & history that grow into a tree. Trees & seeds do not look the same. In the case of puma Punku, the myths were begun by ancient peoples that came across the ruins when they were already ruins. They had nothing to do with building them, were like what the fuck is this? then came up with a story to explain it. Their story was that it was built by beings from the stars. The same way that dinosaur fossils led to tales of dragons throughout the past. The fact that even today so many people jump to the "must've been aliens" explanation for ancient monuments is telling.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Dark_Star]
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Dark_Star said: You completely ignore human nature with that explanation. Stories grow, particularly ones that are told again & again. This has been proven. Whisper down the lane never ends the way it begins. The old tales are myths. Myths always have seeds of fact & history that grow into a tree. Trees & seeds do not look the same. In the case of puma Punku, the myths were begun by ancient peoples that came across the ruins when they were already ruins. They had nothing to do with building them, were like what the fuck is this? then came up with a story to explain it. Their story was that it was built by beings from the stars. The same way that dinosaur fossils led to tales of dragons throughout the past. The fact that even today so many people jump to the "must've been aliens" explanation for ancient monuments is telling.
Puma Punku has stones over 150 tons in weight, which scientist tell us were quarried roughly 600 miles away and transported over a region where there are no trees growing to roll them across. 600 miles! Imagine what it would take to move ONE stone, 150 tons, over 600 miles with no modern power … Try to imagine that for a moment. Now, imagine there are hundreds of stones like that.
WTF would ever do that? What level of motivation? I could find 100 strong guys and it would take us a lifetime to figure out how to move one stone that far with the technology we think they had.
None of it adds up. The explanations, frankly, are ludicrous. I've been there, I've been to Peru, I've been to Bhutan, I've been to Mexico and seen these structures. When you see them you realize how ridiculous it is to believe these rocks could be moved up and down mountains and across rivers without modern power.
The egyptian pyramids one can understand. That kind of structure lends itself to a construction project ancient man could handle. But there are others that don't.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
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You do great disservice to human ingenuity. Knowledge has been lost. Who knows what methods they had. It doesn't take a hundred strong men - it takes one smart man/woman with imagination & some time on their hands. The theory that aliens traveled hundreds of thousands of light years to move rocks around on a planet of primitive peoples is easily as ludicrous an explanation as any other. We don't know how they did it, but that doesn't mean that they didn't. Aliens isn't a sufficient answer, and until you have actual solid evidence (no conjecture) that they were here & did this, I won't buy it.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Dark_Star]
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Dark_Star said: You do great disservice to human ingenuity. Knowledge has been lost. Who knows what methods they had. It doesn't take a hundred strong men - it takes one smart man/woman with imagination & some time on their hands. The theory that aliens traveled hundreds of thousands of light years to move rocks around on a planet of primitive peoples is easily as ludicrous an explanation as any other. We don't know how they did it, but that doesn't mean that they didn't. Aliens isn't a sufficient answer, and until you have actual solid evidence (no conjecture) that they were here & did this, I won't buy it.
Why did these beings have to travel 'hundreds of thousands of light years'?
Couldnt they have came from our own solar system? Mars? The moon? Could they have existed on/ inside this planet when our Human species was young, and they helped us?
EDIT: they have solid evidence...in carvings on these buildings/pyramids that clearly shows space ships and aliens. lol.
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There are no planets in this solar system capable of sustaining advanced life forms. If they were from this planet before us, they weren't aliens. If they came from Mars before it lost it's atmosphere & magnetic field, then we are them. Thus we built them. 
Also, LOL at your "solid evidence". Pictures on a wall aren't solid evidence. let me draw a picture & bring it to court if I ever get in trouble. "See your honor, it was these guys."
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Dark_Star said: There are no planets in this solar system capable of sustaining advanced life forms. If they were from this planet before us, they weren't aliens. If they came from Mars before it lost it's atmosphere & magnetic field, then we are them. Thus we built them. 
You actually believe NASA?
How do you actually KNOW that the other planets in our solar system cannot sustain life? Because the government tells and trains you so?
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It's more than just NASA. Every astrophysicist says the same thing. But I guess a bunch of people posting on a drug message board know more than astrophysicists, right?
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Believe what you wish. Maybe when the truth is revealed you will be a panicking monkey like the rest of them.
ALL information of that topic, HAS TO go through the government 'like a filter'. They pick and choose what info to release and what not.
'Every astrophysicist' that you speak of, has a gun behind their head, they cannot speak the truth. Its that sad and simple.
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Dark_Star said: There are no planets in this solar system capable of sustaining advanced life forms. If they were from this planet before us, they weren't aliens. If they came from Mars before it lost it's atmosphere & magnetic field, then we are them. Thus we built them. 
Also, LOL at your "solid evidence". Pictures on a wall aren't solid evidence. let me draw a picture & bring it to court if I ever get in trouble. "See your honor, it was these guys." 
How do you know what was going on on the planets of our solar system a billion years ago? Seriously. What was the planet that many believe exploded between Mars and Jupiter? What was going on there? Do you really think you know what was happening on Mars 100 million years ago? We haven't even explored the dark side of the moon or the depths of our oceans. We find new creatures at deeper depths than we ever thought possible.
We are barely out of the crib. For all we know, there are civilizations living underground NOW on other planets … we have no idea. We don't even understand our own planet at this point.
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Dark_Star said: It's more than just NASA. Every astrophysicist says the same thing. But I guess a bunch of people posting on a drug message board know more than astrophysicists, right?
"EVERY" Astrophysicist says the same thing? Give me a break. It's this kind of exaggeration that indicates you don't know the topic. More and more are saying it's possible that life did indeed travel to earth on a comet or asteroid and that may be more likely than the lightening in a dirty pond theory. Physicists are taking the multi-verse theory very seriously with many dimensions that exist simultaneously and these theories change the equation of space travel completely.
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classic conspiracy theorist paranoia. I won't be panicking, and your elitism is amusing. "Monkeys" The fact is that scientists give explanations regarding what they say, and it makes sense. All people like you give are a bunch of conspiracies with no hard evidence to back it up. Please, tell me how what the scientists say is wrong. Disprove the Goldilocks zone. Convince me that there are aliens in our backyard. 
Additionally, KauaiOrca is stating the myths are the truth, which is what I rebutted. The myths state that these beings came from Sirius. That's not in our solar system.
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Microscopic organisms traveling on comets isn't the same thing as aliens flying in on spaceships & building pyramids, which is what you talking about. Unless you mean to purport that microbes built puma Punku.
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Dark_Star said: Also, LOL at your "solid evidence". Pictures on a wall aren't solid evidence. let me draw a picture & bring it to court if I ever get in trouble. "See your honor, it was these guys." 
Hey I'm the one who posted pictures and didnt even comment on my opinion about them. They didnt post any pics trying to prove anything
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Dark_Star calling me a conspiracy theoririst. 

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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Dark_Star]
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Additionally, KauaiOrca is stating the myths are the truth, which is what I rebutted. The myths state that these beings came from Sirius. That's not in our solar system.
No … what I said is it takes a lot of hubris to claim that every single creation myth on this planet by all the civilizations is wrong. Every single one of them. Takes even more hubris to claim that all of the thousands and thousands of eyewitness accounts of UFO's and aliens are … again wrong. And even more to claim all the military pilots and astronauts that have come forward that there are indeed alien craft on our planet are wrong or lying.
Everyone is wrong, everyone is lying and all the evidence that you don't even know about is bunk, LMAO. That's the summary of the case against alien life existing in our solar system.
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nope, sorry to disappoint you, but it wouldn't phase me like that. I'd be excited & intrigued. I wouldn't be afraid unless they were trying to kill me....which would scare me if it was a human or anything else. I've had plenty of contact with interdimensional beings over the years. Whether or not they were real, or a figment of my subconscious remains unknown. There was a time when I believed they were real though. Now I'm not convinced either way.
Of course I called a conspiracy theorist. You're referencing a conspiracy, with no proof that you're correct (except of course for your circumstantial evidence from Ancient Aliens. I watch that show as well by the way....it's entertaining, interesting to think about....but all conjecture.) this, by definition makes you a conspiracy theorist.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
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No. I think aliens are in the same boat we are. Some are far more advanced and some are probably not. If you mean do I think aliens created humans? Maybe. Maybe they sent life here to begin with or altered our monkeys DNA to create us. I don't think they created the universe though.
The more I ponder these questions the more I think that none of this is even real. That were in some simulation of sorts. This would make whatever started the simulation god.
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People take the Bible too literally as well as too seriously. It was actually intended to be a collection of ancient smut, anecdotes, and jokes, and the fact that people use it to justify exerting authority over others is horseshit. God told me and I can back this up through scripture
“But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? Hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?” Kings 18:27
“But he himself turned back at the idols near Gilgal and said, ‘I have a secret message for you, O king.’ And he commanded, ‘Silence.’ And all his attendants went out from his presence. And Ehud came to him as he was sitting alone in his cool roof chamber. And Ehud said, ‘I have a message from God for you.’ And he arose from his seat. And Ehud reached with his left hand, took the sword from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly. And the hilt also went in after the blade, and the fat closed over the blade, for he did not pull the sword out of his belly; and the dung came out. Then Ehud went out into the porch and closed the doors of the roof chamber behind him and locked them. When he had gone, the servants came, and when they saw that the doors of the roof chamber were locked, they thought, ‘Surely he is relieving himself in the closet of the cool chamber.’“ Judges 3:19-24
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Of course I called a conspiracy theorist. You're referencing a conspiracy, with no proof that you're correct (except of course for your circumstantial evidence from Ancient Aliens. I watch that show as well by the way....it's entertaining, interesting to think about....but all conjecture.) this, by definition makes you a conspiracy theorist.
Any thoughts on why John Podesta is pushing for the US to get on board with the disclosure movement?
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Magicman69]
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I did not get any information from 'Ancient Aliens', 'Ancient aliens' is contemplating the same information I am, maybe.
10,000 years ago if a Human carved an alien and spaceships on a stone wall, and there is proof that those are carvings from 10,000 years ago, what would you think?Quote:
Magicman69 said: No. I think aliens are in the same boat we are. Some are far more advanced and some are probably not. If you mean do I think aliens created humans? Maybe. Maybe they sent life here to begin with or altered our monkeys DNA to create us. I don't think they created the universe though.
The more I ponder these questions the more I think that none of this is even real. That were in some simulation of sorts. This would make whatever started the simulation god.
As far as I have pondered, I would imagine and have heard that a group of great Entities had created this 'simulation' of a Universe.
Not one singular, which would make more sense anyway.
If a video game was going to be created, would ONLY 1 person do all of the work? Would everything originate from only 1 persons imagination? No. It is many people doing different tasks, skilled in different areas, adding their own little things here and there.
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What is to say that people 10,000 years ago did not dream up aliens? They were human after all.
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moonrockmushy said: What is to say that people 10,000 years ago did not dream up aliens? They were human after all.
I cant wait until our government just fucking releases this information, or the aliens reveal themselves, so we dont have to have discussions like this, its fucking retarded. lol.
Neither side can prove itself, even though we all have good information. It just depends on what youve experienced, or what you have not experienced, and what you want to believe based on your experiences and the knowledge and information that you possess.
Let them fucking reveal it. Our government has never denies any existence.
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Reveal what? You and the government both know something that many of us do not? I am all for government transparency, and believe that secrecy in government is a problem, but that doesn't mean what they're hiding is what you think it is.
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moonrockmushy said: Reveal what? You and the government both know something that many of us do not? I am all for government transparency, and believe that secrecy in government is a problem, but that doesn't mean what they're hiding is what you think it is.
Uhm.....alright..
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zZZz said: i believe he is a flying spaghetti monster who flies in sky 24/7 always watching over us as best as he could
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You guys are aware that Harry Truman said on TV that UFO activity was very intense in the 1940s and the government was taking it seriously and trying to figure it out? It was the only time a US President ever seriously mentioned the topic again.
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moonrockmushy said: Reveal what? You and the government both know something that many of us do not? I am all for government transparency, and believe that secrecy in government is a problem, but that doesn't mean what they're hiding is what you think it is.
Many very credible people in the government have come forward and admitted involvement for decades in top secret projects involving alien technology and reverse engineering it.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
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N/m, I am to shut the fuck up now..
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i wonder if they had many of the same ufo sightings we see today, like the moving objects in the sky that appear to be satellites of some kind, i mean we see something like that in sky now and say to ourselves "oh it's probably just a man made satellite, we have a bunch of them up there now cuz we're so advanced", but say they were seeing the same shit in early years of civilization, when the thought of launching off into space was nothing more than a far fetched dream, what do say to ourselves then?
my question is, how long have we been witnessing these things?, even the ancients left pieces of art depicting ufo sightings,
perhaps space is more timeless than we had ever imagined..
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: zZZz]
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That happens in south Texas a lot.. they change directions. It's not a 'natural' thing, the way they change direction..
I've only seen it in one other state. I'd like to spend some time out in Arizona and watch the sky, over there in the south west. I love that area.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Amanita86] 3
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god has never present himself to us in any shape or form. Any "idea" you have of god is simply fiction or taking ideas from someelses fiction. eg if you believe in the christian god all your doing is believing some thousand year old mushroom trip.
God may have well created the universe but nothing more.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: kakashi68]
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Dumbass, wake up. You could be alive right now if you tried. Next time you walk outside, see what you look at...report back.
I felt the need to repeat this, 'SEE' what you look at... report back we'll go from there..
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Amanita86]
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Amanita86 said: Dumbass, wake up. You could be alive right now if you tried. Next time you walk outside, see what you look at...report back.
I felt the need to repeat this, 'SEE' what you look at... report back we'll go from there..
dont give me that bullshit. You cant just say you "see" god in all things or that "he inside of you" your simply buying into the bullshit over others in order for them to control you and make you believe in there morals
When I go outside I see fucking nature which came from evolution and science. I know this because of facts not because some idiot tripping told me bullshit stories.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: kakashi68]
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lol, come walk with me my son...
You think I believe things because someone told me to? You think I do things because someone told me to? You think I comprimise, because some one told me to? You think for one second I blow fucking smoke, because someone told me to?
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You got another thing coming.. I offer, you 'profess'.. I can understand growing .. you have it figured it seems..
And I want you to hear me real fucking clear right now... this is where you do not want to fuck up... listen.... never, tell me, what has happened, in my head... you heard that right?
I hope you live a life that's long enough to burn those bullshit what ifs out of your forehead..
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Amanita86] 1
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Amanita86 said: lol, come walk with me my son...
You think I believe things because someone told me to? You think I do things because someone told me to? You think I comprimise, because some one told me to? You think for one second I blow fucking smoke, because someone told me to?
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You got another thing coming.. I offer, you 'profess'.. I can understand growing .. you have it figured it seems..
And I want you to hear me real fucking clear right now... this is where you do not want to fuck up... listen.... never, tell me, what has happened, in my head... you heard that right?
I hope you live a life that's long enough to burn those bullshit what ifs out of your forehead.. 
how else would you even know "god" exists. Its a human made concept. You have gained all your knowledge from other humans. You may "believe" that your some special snowflake. But all your doing is continuing the bullshit ideas.
Oh yea let me guess your some sort of special prophet who has seen god in a way no one else has and you have divine knowledge.
Silly person and your tales of sky faries.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: kakashi68]
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Amanita86 said: lol, come walk with me my son...
You think I believe things because someone told me to? You think I do things because someone told me to? You think I comprimise, because some one told me to? You think for one second I blow fucking smoke, because someone told me to?
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You got another thing coming.. I offer, you 'profess'.. I can understand growing .. you have it figured it seems..
And I want you to hear me real fucking clear right now... this is where you do not want to fuck up... listen.... never, tell me, what has happened, in my head... you heard that right?
I hope you live a life that's long enough to burn those bullshit what ifs out of your forehead.. 
how else would you even know "god" exists. Its a human made concept. You have gained all your knowledge from other humans. You may "believe" that your some special snowflake. But all your doing is continuing the bullshit ideas.
Oh yea let me guess your some sort of special prophet who has seen god in a way no one else has and you have divine knowledge.
Silly person and your tales of sky faries.
Santa Claus is basically everything that God is
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: kakashi68]
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I wouldnt say I'm some special snowflake, in the sense you present it..
I wouldnt say all I know has been tought to me by man.
I wouldnt say anything, is as black and white as that...
But I would say this.. you're kidding yourself if you doubt that I've seen things you havn't.
Just like I'd be kidding myself if I said you don't know anything that I could learn from you...
So you see.. perhaps in your day to day goings on, maybe you could be a little more open and not subscribe to the anti philosophy..
I'm still pretty open to what you can offer, you seem to have shut me down a few pages back. But I will tell you this.. every one of your charges against me is incorrect... even if you cant get your head around it..
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You're just a cynical moron. You won't be seeing any pearls soon.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Amanita86]
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Amanita86 said: I wouldnt say I'm some special snowflake, in the sense you present it..
I wouldnt say all I know has been tought to me by man.
I wouldnt say anything, is as black and white as that...
But I would say this.. you're kidding yourself if you doubt that I've seen things you havn't.
Just like I'd be kidding myself if I said you don't know anything that I already don't know..
So you see.. perhaps in your day to day goings on, maybe you could be a little more open and not subscribe to the anti philosophy..
I'm still pretty open to what you can offer, you seem to have shut me down a few pages back. But I will tell you this.. every one of your charges against me is incorrect... even if you cant get your head around it..
What is your opinion on the similarities of the Christian God, and Santa Claus?
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Amanita86]
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Amanita86 said: I wouldnt say I'm some special snowflake, in the sense you present it..
I wouldnt say all I know has been tought to me by man.
I wouldnt say anything, is as black and white as that...
But I would say this.. you're kidding yourself if you doubt that I've seen things you havn't.
Just like I'd be kidding myself if I said you don't know anything that I could learn from you...
So you see.. perhaps in your day to day goings on, maybe you could be a little more open and not subscribe to the anti philosophy..
I'm still pretty open to what you can offer, you seem to have shut me down a few pages back. But I will tell you this.. every one of your charges against me is incorrect... even if you cant get your head around it..
neither will you. Heaven is also a human made concept. like even the JEWS dont believe in heaven. You can spout all the crap you want be you didnt even answer my question.
So tell me if your so silly to believe that god isnt a human concept. How do you know its real. And please dont give me more bullshit like your last post that doesnt answer the question in long winded dodging question feeble attempts. Answer the question straight up. How do you know God is real if there is no evidence what so ever. Im not saying he isnt real but you learnt the god exists through other humans that is a fact. If these human never existed you would never known that god exists. Therefore he is a human based concept and not real in the sense that you believe.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: kakashi68]
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You assume too much. You already have the only answer you'll accept from me figured out. That's not how I work..
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Amanita86]
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yep more bullshit. Your dodging the question because you know your wrong.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: kakashi68]
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Amanita86 said: You assume too much. You already have the only answer you'll accept from me figured out. That's not how I work..
yep more bullshit. Your dodging the question because you know your wrong.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: MajickMuffin] 1
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When we talk about God, there are three distinctly DIFFERENT God scenarios or God identities we are describing. Most of the disagreement and argument comes from the fact that we can't even agree on which God concept we're disputing. The three are:
1. The Abrahamic "Santa-Style" God of the Christian, Jewish, Muslim religions. A parental Judge god. Watches and judges. Presides over heaven. Chooses winners and losers.
2. The ethereal energy everywhere God. This is more like a highly refined energy that is in everything. Kind of like the force in Star Wars. Yin-Yang of Taoism. The principles behind physics or nature. The eternal all that is. Not a super Santa or judgmental entity, but more an energy that permeates, understand, comprehends everything all at once.
3. Advanced beings that may appear as Gods to us much the way we might appear to our pets. Thousands, if not millions of years ahead of us, visiting our planet, intervening in human affairs, possibly responsible for the creation of our species. These could be extra terrestrials, inter dimensional beings, Angels, Demons …
So, which concept of God are we talking about? Which doesn't exist? To me, #1 is by far the least likely. I experience #2 all the time and #3 has overwhelming evidence in terms of having been here many, many times.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I do not think an all powerful god would ever be judging over all. The #2 type of god actually is the idea of god amongst many native tribes and amongst quite a few asian religions.
I am religious, but not christian. The religion I was "raised" in a form of animism, and still practice it today. I decided that it was my religion. I even had my mother convert to christianity when I was young.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca] 1
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There is a fourth category of God:
4. The totality of everything, which is a force AND the most evolved form of all beings.
Thats basically a wedding of your three categories. It is The Force, It is an advanced being AND It grants special requests.
Its all that and then some!
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
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Asante said: There is a fourth category of God:
4. The totality of everything, which is a force AND the most evolved form of all beings.
Thats basically a wedding of your three categories. It is The Force, It is an advanced being AND It grants special requests.
Its all that and then some!
That's my God!
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Turtletotem] 1
#21959536 - 07/18/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why are you guys still stuck in the bronze age? Yes, your lives suck and always will, and it makes you feel better thinking you have an invisible dad that lives in outer space. Just wondering if you are really that gullible and naive to think this or are you still brainwashed from when you were told these things as a young child?
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Confucian] 1
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Confucian said: Why are you guys still stuck in the bronze age? Yes, your lives suck and always will, and it makes you feel better thinking you have an invisible dad that lives in outer space. Just wondering if you are really that gullible and naive to think this or are you still brainwashed from when you were told these things as a young child?
You really don't know or understand any of this.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Confucian] 2
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Confucian said: Why are you guys still stuck in the bronze age? Yes, your lives suck and always will, and it makes you feel better thinking you have an invisible dad that lives in outer space. Just wondering if you are really that gullible and naive to think this or are you still brainwashed from when you were told these things as a young child?
Why are you stuck in highschool level atheism? Its not like you're saying anything here that can't be thought up by a kid in his first few hours of deciding there is no God.
But then again, what sensible argument can you raise against it? Our God makes perfect sense.
Is there stuff? Yep. Then there is a totality of everything. Yep. The totality of everything would include all sentience. Yep. Therefore, the totality of everything is sentient. Yep.
I had two atheist phases too. One as part of my teenage rebellion where I refused to accept higher authority and the other for a few months after my mother died and I ceased to give a fuck whether I lived or died.
I came around.
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Wouldn't call god a him or her more of an it.'it' would encompass all. So yeah a him or her and an alien as well i guess?
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: 404]
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Everything. You, me, our blood, the insects, the fungi, the stars and the rocks and the emptiness between the atoms and the nuclear forces and the energy you expend making love to a beautiful woman who is also god...
For everywhere I look, I see something Holy.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Turtletotem]
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Pantheism... Which is a completely different ballpark than monotheism... People like confucian only seem to know 'god' by these organized religions - judaism chistianity and islam etc.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: 404]
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“And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
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CIA World Factbook says:
Worldwide distribution of religions and beliefs:
Christian 33.39% (of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, non-religious 9.66%, atheists 2.01% (2010 est.)
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Turtletotem]
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Turtletotem said: Everything. You, me, our blood, the insects, the fungi, the stars and the rocks and the emptiness between the atoms and the nuclear forces and the energy you expend making love to a beautiful woman who is also god...
For everywhere I look, I see something Holy.
This, absolutely.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Confucian]
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Confucian said: Why are you guys still stuck in the bronze age? Yes, your lives suck and always will, and it makes you feel better thinking you have an invisible dad that lives in outer space. Just wondering if you are really that gullible and naive to think this or are you still brainwashed from when you were told these things as a young child?
You are clearly disputing God Scenario #1 which, by reading this thread, not many are defending or arguing for at all.
Maybe it would help if you would simply move off of the Abrahamic, God Judge in the sky and expand your thinking to ponder that God might be far, far more than that?
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Turtletotem]
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Turtletotem said: Everything. You, me, our blood, our shit, our diarrhea, throw up, cancer, puss, cum, spit, pee is also god...
For everywhere I look, I see something Holy.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
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Asante said: There is a fourth category of God:
4. The totality of everything, which is a force AND the most evolved form of all beings.
Thats basically a wedding of your three categories. It is The Force, It is an advanced being AND It grants special requests.
Its all that and then some!
Awesome post! I like and embrace this definition 100%. All that is, was and ever will be … all the potential, possibilities and imaginings fully realized … all at once …
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
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CIA World Factbook says:
Worldwide distribution of religions and beliefs:
Christian 33.39% (of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, non-religious 9.66%, atheists 2.01% (2010 est.)
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Turtletotem said: Everything. You, me, our blood, our shit, our diarrhea, throw up, cancer, puss, cum, spit, pee is also god...
For everywhere I look, I see something Holy.
The silly thing, the twist in you, is that you believe to discredit or ridicule him with that.
No sir. We mean that. Its all God. God is beyond good and evil. God is blood sperm vomit and piss too. The alpha, the creation of everything, and the omega, the destruction of everything.
Stretch your head a bit wider to try get it around it. If you want to, you can
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
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CIA World Factbook says:
Worldwide distribution of religions and beliefs:
Christian 33.39% (of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, non-religious 9.66%, atheists 2.01% (2010 est.)
The statistic I'd like to see is the percentage of "followers" that take the religion seriously vs more of a social/community affiliation? I'd guess that a very high percentage of "believers" are simply stating an affiliation based on social/peer pressure but, in reality, it's a flimsy relationship at best.
A very high percentage, I'd guess, are really agnostic, but they don't know the meaning of that term and saying "atheist" just feels to rebellious to them.
I find it interesting that so many of the Founding Fathers of America were actually Deists that did not see Christ as a savior, but more as a very aware prophet.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
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I agree with you, the true believers are very rare, most people cherrypick or like you say just state it because of peer group pressure or habit.
Most followers of most religions would call their true believers outcasts, because of their way of looking at things.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
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Asante said: I agree with you, the true believers are very rare, most people cherrypick or like you say just state it because of peer group pressure or habit.
Most followers of most religions would call their true believers outcasts, because of their way of looking at things.
I am 100% convinced that if 100 average humans on the planet were fully exposed to a shamanic type spiritual world view complete with a shamanic ceremony and guided through a sacred sacrament ceremony, that well over half would, from that point forward, lean toward that type of spiritual outlook. It's potency, immediacy and sheer impact in terms of a positive effect, is far beyond the some what numbing and sedating forms of religion (crowd obedience control???) most civilized humans are exposed to.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Agreed in full, Animism is the natural human state. Talking to flowers when you water them, slapping a closet for bumping your head against it, talking to yourself its natural to do these things. Little kids live in that magical world where everything is a somebody.
I'm being educated in doing spirit work in the Congolese tradition so thats a guise of shamanism and absolutely, its very compelling, I helped a whole bunch of people with it already offline and on.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
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Asante said: Agreed in full, Animism is the natural human state. Talking to flowers when you water them, slapping a closet for bumping your head against it, talking to yourself its natural to do these things. Little kids live in that magical world where everything is a somebody.
I'm being educated in doing spirit work in the Congolese tradition so thats a guise of shamanism and absolutely, its very compelling, I helped a whole bunch of people with it already offline and on.
For me, the most refined world view comes from the Taoists which is, in reality a spiritual alchemy for transformation into immortality. Very shamanic, tantric and logically practical with a wealth of serious study and writing going back many centuries. Taoist meditation + Qi Gong is extraordinarily powerful.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21959784 - 07/18/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have to still look into Taoism.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
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Asante said: I have to still look into Taoism.
I've had an intense interest in religion, spirituality and meditation my entire adult life and nothing I've found has the power and potential (for me) of Taoism. It covers everything on all levels and the Taoist Masters writings on it from the past are nothing short of astounding.
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I understand God as universal consciousness, universal soul, the programmer of the virtual reality that is the universe, the all encompassing intellect who authored the math that defines reality, the coder of the program of existence, the dreamer that encompasses the dream that is reality.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said: When we talk about God, there are three distinctly DIFFERENT God scenarios or God identities we are describing. Most of the disagreement and argument comes from the fact that we can't even agree on which God concept we're disputing. The three are:
1. The Abrahamic "Santa-Style" God of the Christian, Jewish, Muslim religions. A parental Judge god. Watches and judges. Presides over heaven. Chooses winners and losers.
2. The ethereal energy everywhere God. This is more like a highly refined energy that is in everything. Kind of like the force in Star Wars. Yin-Yang of Taoism. The principles behind physics or nature. The eternal all that is. Not a super Santa or judgmental entity, but more an energy that permeates, understand, comprehends everything all at once.
3. Advanced beings that may appear as Gods to us much the way we might appear to our pets. Thousands, if not millions of years ahead of us, visiting our planet, intervening in human affairs, possibly responsible for the creation of our species. These could be extra terrestrials, inter dimensional beings, Angels, Demons …
So, which concept of God are we talking about? Which doesn't exist? To me, #1 is by far the least likely. I experience #2 all the time and #3 has overwhelming evidence in terms of having been here many, many times.
You're probably going to piss off the Christians and others who use the proper noun 'God' to describe one specific god. You can't say that even though the idea of the stereotypical Christian god is highly dogmatic, that is open to interpretation and therefore it is valid. My interpretation is that the is nothing sacred about 'God'. If anything that name is used by hypocrites to invoke authority where their ideas and visions cannot be explained through logic and reason. 'God' is the patron saint of charlatans.
Do you know what I call the universe? The universe. What is energy? Energy. What is love? Love.
If you can't make up your mind about who or what the hell 'God' is how do you expect anyone else to know what you're talking about? Why cling to that silly character who goes by this name if you admit that the whole history and justification for his existence is clearly a collection of lies, tribalism, and confusion.
The people who capitalize 'God' and talk about him like he is a thing that exists are religious, even if they are convinced that their beliefs are vague enough that semantic arguments can be used to dissuade anyone from challenging this belief. 'God' is a character in the bible. The concept of 'a god' even has alot of dogmatic implications, so if you're going to say you believe in 'a god' but you're not religious I tend to suspect you're full of yourself in the same way all religious people are, even the new-agey ones.
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I've seen a UFO once but I'm not convinced it was aliens. It could have possibly been a comet. It was really dark and my ex and I were out smoking a cig. There was almost no light because the closest street light was about 50 yards away and it was 2 A.M. all of the sudden this flash of light flew over our head at super speed. It was so bright that for a second our surroundings looked like it was mid day. It was as if it went from the middle of night to middle of day for second, that's how bright it got. It flew towards the mountains and disappeared. It only illuminated everything for a split second but when it did it made a pitch black night look like a sunny day. It was really eerie and has stuck with me over the past 10 years. We looked at each other and said WTF was that!!
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Magicman69]
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
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Confucian said: Why are you guys still stuck in the bronze age? Yes, your lives suck and always will, and it makes you feel better thinking you have an invisible dad that lives in outer space. Just wondering if you are really that gullible and naive to think this or are you still brainwashed from when you were told these things as a young child?
Why are you stuck in highschool level atheism? Its not like you're saying anything here that can't be thought up by a kid in his first few hours of deciding there is no God.
But then again, what sensible argument can you raise against it? Our God makes perfect sense.
Is there stuff? Yep. Then there is a totality of everything. Yep. The totality of everything would include all sentience. Yep. Therefore, the totality of everything is sentient. Yep.
I had two atheist phases too. One as part of my teenage rebellion where I refused to accept higher authority and the other for a few months after my mother died and I ceased to give a fuck whether I lived or died.
I came around.
non religous are growing significantly every year because people are waking up and realising that the human made mind control concept of space daddy is actually just a hoax.
You free to believe in your moronic space daddy but you cant go around insulting people because they believe in logic and science. You are the one that has not grown up and is using an imaginary friend to cope with your problems.
Stuff being there is proof of evolution and science. Tell me how do you know god exists then? Everything you know of god was passed on knowledge by other humans. If lived in a cave all your life and hunter gathered. You would have no idea your made up imaginary friend would have existed. This therefore proves the point that your making shit up.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: kakashi68]
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Every ancient culture has a concept of god. Therefore the idea that if someone lived in a cave all their life, they wouldn't have any spiritual beliefs can easily be wrong.
Honestly, I've met many, many people who didn't follow any organized religion, but still believed in a form of higher power. I haven't met many diehard atheists for a long time(unless I go on the internet, but even then there isn't that many)
I have no problem with atheists, they are just trying to comprehend the world in a way they understand. I have a problem with people forcing others to adhere to their belief system though. And there are plenty of diehard atheists that do just that.
Believe what you want to believe, just don't cram those ideas down everyone's throat.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: kakashi68]
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Everything you know of god was passed on knowledge by other humans. If lived in a cave all your life and hunter gathered. You would have no idea your made up imaginary friend would have existed. This therefore proves the point that your making shit up.
Your nonsense is obvious. First you do not know what I know and where I got my information. Second, Spirituality and the root of religion, Animism, predate the advent of modern science by thousands of years. Every single tribe out there has a religion it adheres to.
You can get upset all you want but maybe you should pick up some anthropology books. Spirituality is what people do and always have done.
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You free to believe in your moronic space daddy but you cant go around insulting people because they believe in logic and science. You are the one that has not grown up and is using an imaginary friend to cope with your problems.
You miss the point entirely. You have this imbecilic image of a God you dont believe in, you superimpose belief in that charicature on me then call me a fool for it.
Cut some more lines dude, cause your lines in this discussion aren't cutting it.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Achillita]
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I prefer accepting obvious nonsense to giving in to half-truths and lies that make people feel better.
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At the fundamental level, reality is meaningful math and geometry , not random numbers.
To me, this demonstrates that reality is the product of intelligent design, not randomness.
Our DNA is a language . Everything is designed based on phi, the Fibonacci sequence and the golden mean/ratio.
sacred geometry is in everything .
The most likely thing is that reality is like a computer simulation or virtual reality, and it has code . We know it has code , it's programmed.
It stands to reason there must be a coder, a programmer , a mathematician, a geometer.
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nothing is really certain
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The world you live in comes from the human mind which comes from nature which comes from the cosmos. I'm not saying there's a entity out there that hand crafted the whole thing and grants wishes to everyone but it may be more connected than one would expect at first glance. My personal opinion is that everything is one there's no separation between reality and what you could call the super consciousness or "god." You are in fact god and you're playing the game of life as the universe and everything in it for fun.
I think a lot of people hold this view and don't want to let go of it. What if depressed people were projecting their emotions onto the world? "I am a worthless person" "The world is an inhospitable place" "My past is a tragedy; my future is hopeless"
It sort of relates to these other view: "Man is the by-product of mere chance" "We live in a universe alien to us and ignorant of our destiny" "We have come from nothingness and will return to nothingness after death"
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Beck developed cognitive therapy in the early 1960s as a psychiatrist at Penn. He had previously studied and practiced psychoanalysis. As a researcher and scientist, Beck designed and performed experiments to test psychoanalytic concepts of depression. Fully expecting research would validate these fundamental precepts, he was surprised to find the opposite. This research led him to begin to look for other ways of conceptualizing depression. Working with depressed patients, he found that they experienced streams of negative thoughts that seemed to pop up spontaneously. He termed these cognitions “automatic thoughts,” and discovered that their content fell into three categories: negative ideas about themselves, the world, and the future. Limited time spent reflecting on automatic thoughts would lead patients to treat them as valid.[20]
Beck began helping patients identify and evaluate these thoughts and found that by doing so, patients were able to think more realistically, which led them to feel better emotionally and behave more functionally.[20] He discovered key ideas in CBT, explaining that different disorders were associated with different types of distorted thinking.[20] Distorted thinking has a negative effect on our behavior no matter what type of disorder, he found.[20] Beck explained that successful interventions will educate a person to understand and become aware of their distorted thinking, and how to challenge its effects.[20] He discovered that frequent negative automatic thoughts reveal a person's core beliefs. He explained that core beliefs are formed over lifelong experiences; we “feel” these beliefs to be true.[20]
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Eggtimer]
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If you travel the cosmos you are an immigrant. And God don't need a passport. And in America that makes him an alien. Use your head ladies and men
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thebitterbuffalo26 said: If you travel the cosmos you are an immigrant. And God don't need a passport. And in America that makes him an alien. Use your head ladies and men
I'm sure for a bacteria the "space" between the cells appears to be enormous. The "space" between atoms is also enormous. To you there appears to be no space. In the same way it appears there is huge space between other solar systems.
http://education.jlab.org/qa/how-much-of-an-atom-is-empty-space.html
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A hydrogen atom is about 99.9999999999996% empty space. Put another way, if a hydrogen atom were the size of the earth, the proton at its center would be about 200 meters (600 feet) across. While I wouldn't want something that big landing on my head, it's tiny compared to the size of the earth.
Extremophiles exist in many different environments we would consider inhospitable to life. Sure because you evolved on this planet it appears to be deadly but microbial life seems to be able to adapt to many extreme environments even space.
http://www.microbeworld.org/interesting-facts/microbial-record-holders/oldest-living-microbes
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In the fairy tale, Sleeping Beauty went to sleep for 100 years in a castle protected by giant thorns and then was revived by the kiss of a prince. In 2000, scientists told a microbial version of this fairy tale, announcing that they had revived bacteria that had lain in suspended animation for 250 million years, encased in salt crystals deep in the Earth.
(Of course, the scientists did it by putting the bacteria in special nutrients, not with a kiss! See this ancient_sporenews report for the details.) If these scientists' claims are proved true, these microbes will take the prize as the oldest living things on Earth by far.
250 million years old—Wow, now that’s old! The first dinosaurs were just starting to appear on Earth at that time. It would be another 45 million years before Tyrannosaurus rex roared its first roar. The scientists believe that the bacteria got trapped in the salt crystals, which were buried 1,850 feet down under what’s now Carlsbad, New Mexico, in the southwestern United States.
How could the bugs possibly survive all that time, century after century, millennium after millennium, and suddenly wake up all perky when put into a nutrient-rich petri dish? The answer could be spores. The bacteria appear to be similar to modern day soil bacteria that form protective spores when things get tough. Spores are kind of like plant seeds—a tough protective shell insulates and protects the genes and basic cell parts, which are in an inactive state (that means they aren’t doing anything but just sitting there). Spores are much, much tougher than plant seeds, however. Spores can even survive blasts of radiation as well as years of going with no water or nutrients. If you want to know more about spores, visit this page on our site: How Bacteria Form Spores.
It takes time for stars and planets to form out of dust then life to form from elements forged in the stars but eventually they are all "natural" to the universe. You are no more strange than a rock. You just took longer to happen. Intelligent life probably won't be human but I bet we'll find human characters because they're not actually "human." They're universal.
Pssst don't take this shit so seriously I ate some hash and I'm bakedd.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Shiithead]
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More and more scientists are talking about the idea that life hitchhikes across the universe and is spread on comets and asteroids.
We'll never know the answer to how life started in the first place (fun to speculate on and talk about though) but the likelihood that one of the ways it spreads and roots in new places on ice comets and asteroids is certainly possible.
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