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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
    #21959723 - 07/18/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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CIA World Factbook says:

Worldwide distribution of religions and beliefs:

Christian 33.39% (of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, non-religious 9.66%, atheists 2.01% (2010 est.)




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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Confucian] * 1
    #21959737 - 07/18/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Everything. You, me, our blood, our shit, our diarrhea, throw up, cancer, puss, cum, spit, pee is also god...

For everywhere I look, I see something Holy.








The silly thing, the twist in you, is that you believe to discredit or ridicule him with that.

No sir. We mean that. Its all God. God is beyond good and evil. God is blood sperm vomit and piss too. The alpha, the creation of everything, and the omega, the destruction of everything.

Stretch your head a bit wider to try get it around it. If you want to, you can :smile:


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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
    #21959739 - 07/18/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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CIA World Factbook says:

Worldwide distribution of religions and beliefs:

Christian 33.39% (of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, non-religious 9.66%, atheists 2.01% (2010 est.)







The statistic I'd like to see is the percentage of "followers" that take the religion seriously vs more of a social/community affiliation?  I'd guess that a very high percentage of "believers" are simply stating an affiliation based on social/peer pressure but, in reality, it's a flimsy relationship at best. 

A very high percentage, I'd guess, are really agnostic, but they don't know the meaning of that term and saying "atheist" just feels to rebellious to them.

I find it interesting that so many of the Founding Fathers of America were actually Deists that did not see Christ as a savior, but more as a very aware prophet.


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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
    #21959742 - 07/18/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with you, the true believers are very rare, most people cherrypick or like you say just state it because of peer group pressure or habit.

Most followers of most religions would call their true believers outcasts, because of their way of looking at things.


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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
    #21959755 - 07/18/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I agree with you, the true believers are very rare, most people cherrypick or like you say just state it because of peer group pressure or habit.

Most followers of most religions would call their true believers outcasts, because of their way of looking at things.




I am 100% convinced that if 100 average humans on the planet were fully exposed to a shamanic type spiritual world view complete with a shamanic ceremony and guided through a sacred sacrament ceremony, that well  over half would, from that point forward, lean toward that type of spiritual outlook.  It's potency, immediacy and sheer impact in terms of a positive effect, is far beyond the some what numbing and sedating forms of religion (crowd obedience control???) most civilized humans are exposed to.


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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21959763 - 07/18/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Agreed in full, Animism is the natural human state. Talking to flowers when you water them, slapping a closet for bumping your head against it, talking to yourself its natural to do these things. Little kids live in that magical world where everything is a somebody.

I'm being educated in doing spirit work in the Congolese tradition so thats a guise of shamanism and absolutely, its very compelling, I helped a whole bunch of people with it already offline and on.


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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
    #21959781 - 07/18/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Agreed in full, Animism is the natural human state. Talking to flowers when you water them, slapping a closet for bumping your head against it, talking to yourself its natural to do these things. Little kids live in that magical world where everything is a somebody.

I'm being educated in doing spirit work in the Congolese tradition so thats a guise of shamanism and absolutely, its very compelling, I helped a whole bunch of people with it already offline and on.




For me, the most refined world view comes from the Taoists which is, in reality a spiritual alchemy for transformation into immortality.  Very shamanic, tantric and logically practical with a wealth of serious study and writing going back many centuries.  Taoist meditation + Qi Gong is extraordinarily powerful.


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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21959784 - 07/18/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have to still look into Taoism.


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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
    #21959797 - 07/18/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I have to still look into Taoism.




I've had an intense interest in religion, spirituality and meditation my entire adult life and nothing I've found has the power and potential (for me) of Taoism.  It covers everything on all levels and the Taoist Masters writings on it from the past are nothing short of astounding.


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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Shroomopotamus] * 1
    #21960349 - 07/18/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I understand God as universal consciousness, universal soul, the programmer of the virtual reality that is the universe, the all encompassing intellect who authored the math that defines reality, the coder of the program of existence, the dreamer that encompasses the dream that is reality.


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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21960393 - 07/18/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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When we talk about God, there are three distinctly DIFFERENT God scenarios or God identities we are describing.  Most of the disagreement and argument comes from the fact that we can't even agree on which God concept we're disputing.  The three are:

1. The Abrahamic "Santa-Style" God of the Christian, Jewish, Muslim religions.  A parental Judge god.  Watches and judges.  Presides over heaven.  Chooses winners and losers.

2. The ethereal energy everywhere God.  This is more like a highly refined energy that is in everything.  Kind of like the force in Star Wars. Yin-Yang of Taoism.  The principles behind physics or nature.  The eternal all that is.  Not a super Santa or judgmental entity, but more an energy that permeates, understand, comprehends everything all at once.

3. Advanced beings that may appear as Gods to us much the way we might appear to our pets.  Thousands, if not millions of years ahead of us, visiting our planet, intervening in human affairs, possibly responsible for the creation of our species.  These could be extra terrestrials, inter dimensional beings, Angels, Demons …

So, which concept of God are we talking about?  Which doesn't exist?  To me, #1 is by far the least likely.  I experience #2 all the time and #3 has overwhelming evidence in terms of having been here many, many times.




You're probably going to piss off the Christians and others who use the proper noun 'God' to describe one specific god.  You can't say that even though the idea of the stereotypical Christian god is highly dogmatic, that is open to interpretation and therefore it is valid.  My interpretation is that the is nothing sacred about 'God'.  If anything that name is used by hypocrites to invoke authority where their ideas and visions cannot be explained through logic and reason.  'God' is the patron saint of charlatans.

Do you know what I call the universe?  The universe.  What is energy?  Energy.  What is love?  Love. 

If you can't make up your mind about who or what the hell 'God' is how do you expect anyone else to know what you're talking about?  Why cling to that silly character who goes by this name if you admit that the whole history and justification for his existence is clearly a collection of lies, tribalism, and confusion.

The people who capitalize 'God' and talk about him like he is a thing that exists are religious, even if they are convinced that their beliefs are vague enough that semantic arguments can be used to dissuade anyone from challenging this belief.  'God' is a character in the bible.  The concept of 'a god' even has alot of dogmatic implications, so if you're going to say you believe in 'a god' but you're not religious I tend to suspect you're full of yourself in the same way all religious people are, even the new-agey ones.


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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21960418 - 07/18/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've seen a UFO once but I'm not convinced it was aliens. It could have possibly been a comet. It was really dark and my ex and I were out smoking a cig. There was almost no light because the closest street light was about 50 yards away and it was 2 A.M. all of the sudden this flash of light flew over our head at super speed. It was so bright that for a second our surroundings looked like it was mid day. It was as if it went from the middle of night to middle of day for second, that's how bright it got. It flew towards the mountains and disappeared. It only illuminated everything for a split second but when it did it made a pitch black night look like a sunny day. It was really eerie and has stuck with me over the past 10 years. We looked at each other and said WTF was that!!


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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Magicman69]
    #21960479 - 07/18/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ball lightning?



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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
    #21961186 - 07/18/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Why are you guys still stuck in the bronze age? Yes, your lives suck and always will, and it makes you feel better thinking you have an invisible dad that lives in outer space. Just wondering if you are really that gullible and naive to think this or are you still brainwashed from when you were told these things as a young child?





Why are you stuck in highschool level atheism? Its not like you're saying anything here that can't be thought up by a kid in his first few hours of deciding there is no God.

But then again, what sensible argument can you raise against it? Our God makes perfect sense.

Is there stuff?
Yep.
Then there is a totality of everything.
Yep.
The totality of everything would include all sentience.
Yep.
Therefore, the totality of everything is sentient.
Yep.

I had two atheist phases too. One as part of my teenage rebellion where I refused to accept higher authority and the other for a few months after my mother died and I ceased to give a fuck whether I lived or died.

I came around.




non religous are growing significantly every year because people are waking up and realising that the human made mind control concept of space daddy is actually just a hoax.

You free to believe in your moronic space daddy but you cant go around insulting people because they believe in logic and science. You are the one that has not grown up and is using an imaginary friend to cope with your problems.

Stuff being there is proof of evolution and science. Tell me how do you know god exists then? Everything you know of god was passed on knowledge by other humans. If lived in a cave all your life and hunter gathered. You would have no idea your made up imaginary friend would have existed. This therefore proves the point that your making shit up.


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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: kakashi68]
    #21961225 - 07/18/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Every ancient culture has a concept of god. Therefore the idea that if someone lived in a cave all their life, they wouldn't have any spiritual beliefs can easily be wrong.

Honestly, I've met many, many people who didn't follow any organized religion, but still believed in a form of higher power. I haven't met many diehard atheists for a long time(unless I go on the internet, but even then there isn't that many)

I have no problem with atheists, they are just trying to comprehend the world in a way they understand. I have a problem with people forcing others to adhere to their belief system though. And there are plenty of diehard atheists that do just that.

Believe what you want to believe, just don't cram those ideas down everyone's throat.


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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21961233 - 07/18/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Ball lightning?





them shit's ain't lightning


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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: kakashi68]
    #21961241 - 07/18/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Everything you know of god was passed on knowledge by other humans. If lived in a cave all your life and hunter gathered. You would have no idea your made up imaginary friend would have existed. This therefore proves the point that your making shit up.




Your nonsense is obvious. First you do not know what I know and where I got my information. Second, Spirituality and the root of religion, Animism, predate the advent of modern science by thousands of years. Every single tribe out there has a religion it adheres to.

You can get upset all you want but maybe you should pick up some anthropology books. Spirituality is what people do and always have done.

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You free to believe in your moronic space daddy but you cant go around insulting people because they believe in logic and science. You are the one that has not grown up and is using an imaginary friend to cope with your problems.




You miss the point entirely. You have this imbecilic image of a God you dont believe in, you superimpose belief in that charicature on me then call me a fool for it.

Cut some more lines dude, cause your lines in this discussion aren't cutting it.


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    #21961743 - 07/18/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I prefer accepting obvious nonsense to giving in to half-truths and lies that make people feel better.


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    #21961836 - 07/18/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

At the fundamental level, reality is meaningful math and geometry , not random numbers.

To me, this demonstrates that reality is the product of intelligent design, not randomness.

Our DNA is a language . Everything is designed based on phi, the Fibonacci sequence and the golden mean/ratio.

sacred geometry is in everything .

The most likely thing is that reality is like a computer simulation or virtual reality, and it has code . We know it has code , it's programmed.

It stands to reason there must be a coder, a programmer , a mathematician, a geometer.


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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21961844 - 07/18/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I prefer accepting obvious nonsense to giving in to half-truths and lies that make people feel better.




nothing is really certain

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