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MajickMuffin
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Amanita86]
#21958382 - 07/17/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: I wouldnt say I'm some special snowflake, in the sense you present it..
I wouldnt say all I know has been tought to me by man.
I wouldnt say anything, is as black and white as that...
But I would say this.. you're kidding yourself if you doubt that I've seen things you havn't.
Just like I'd be kidding myself if I said you don't know anything that I already don't know..
So you see.. perhaps in your day to day goings on, maybe you could be a little more open and not subscribe to the anti philosophy..
I'm still pretty open to what you can offer, you seem to have shut me down a few pages back. But I will tell you this.. every one of your charges against me is incorrect... even if you cant get your head around it..
What is your opinion on the similarities of the Christian God, and Santa Claus?
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kakashi68
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Amanita86]
#21958408 - 07/17/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: I wouldnt say I'm some special snowflake, in the sense you present it..
I wouldnt say all I know has been tought to me by man.
I wouldnt say anything, is as black and white as that...
But I would say this.. you're kidding yourself if you doubt that I've seen things you havn't.
Just like I'd be kidding myself if I said you don't know anything that I could learn from you...
So you see.. perhaps in your day to day goings on, maybe you could be a little more open and not subscribe to the anti philosophy..
I'm still pretty open to what you can offer, you seem to have shut me down a few pages back. But I will tell you this.. every one of your charges against me is incorrect... even if you cant get your head around it..
neither will you. Heaven is also a human made concept. like even the JEWS dont believe in heaven. You can spout all the crap you want be you didnt even answer my question.
So tell me if your so silly to believe that god isnt a human concept. How do you know its real. And please dont give me more bullshit like your last post that doesnt answer the question in long winded dodging question feeble attempts. Answer the question straight up. How do you know God is real if there is no evidence what so ever. Im not saying he isnt real but you learnt the god exists through other humans that is a fact. If these human never existed you would never known that god exists. Therefore he is a human based concept and not real in the sense that you believe.
-------------------- You know, just sometimes in between the first cigarette with coffee in the morning to that 400th glass of cornershop piss at 3am--you do sometimes look at yourself and think--this is fantastic. I'm in heaven. -Bernard Black
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: kakashi68]
#21958431 - 07/17/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You assume too much. You already have the only answer you'll accept from me figured out. That's not how I work..
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Amanita86]
#21958584 - 07/17/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: You assume too much. You already have the only answer you'll accept from me figured out. That's not how I work..
yep more bullshit. Your dodging the question because you know your wrong.
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MajickMuffin
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: kakashi68]
#21959232 - 07/18/15 04:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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kakashi68 said:
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Amanita86 said: You assume too much. You already have the only answer you'll accept from me figured out. That's not how I work..
yep more bullshit. Your dodging the question because you know your wrong.
Subconciously
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: MajickMuffin] 1
#21959420 - 07/18/15 06:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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When we talk about God, there are three distinctly DIFFERENT God scenarios or God identities we are describing. Most of the disagreement and argument comes from the fact that we can't even agree on which God concept we're disputing. The three are:
1. The Abrahamic "Santa-Style" God of the Christian, Jewish, Muslim religions. A parental Judge god. Watches and judges. Presides over heaven. Chooses winners and losers.
2. The ethereal energy everywhere God. This is more like a highly refined energy that is in everything. Kind of like the force in Star Wars. Yin-Yang of Taoism. The principles behind physics or nature. The eternal all that is. Not a super Santa or judgmental entity, but more an energy that permeates, understand, comprehends everything all at once.
3. Advanced beings that may appear as Gods to us much the way we might appear to our pets. Thousands, if not millions of years ahead of us, visiting our planet, intervening in human affairs, possibly responsible for the creation of our species. These could be extra terrestrials, inter dimensional beings, Angels, Demons …
So, which concept of God are we talking about? Which doesn't exist? To me, #1 is by far the least likely. I experience #2 all the time and #3 has overwhelming evidence in terms of having been here many, many times.
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Edited by KauaiOrca (07/18/15 06:31 AM)
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21959457 - 07/18/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I do not think an all powerful god would ever be judging over all. The #2 type of god actually is the idea of god amongst many native tribes and amongst quite a few asian religions.
I am religious, but not christian. The religion I was "raised" in a form of animism, and still practice it today. I decided that it was my religion. I even had my mother convert to christianity when I was young.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca] 1
#21959464 - 07/18/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is a fourth category of God:
4. The totality of everything, which is a force AND the most evolved form of all beings.
Thats basically a wedding of your three categories. It is The Force, It is an advanced being AND It grants special requests.
Its all that and then some!
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
#21959465 - 07/18/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said: There is a fourth category of God:
4. The totality of everything, which is a force AND the most evolved form of all beings.
Thats basically a wedding of your three categories. It is The Force, It is an advanced being AND It grants special requests.
Its all that and then some!
That's my God!
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Turtletotem] 1
#21959536 - 07/18/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why are you guys still stuck in the bronze age? Yes, your lives suck and always will, and it makes you feel better thinking you have an invisible dad that lives in outer space. Just wondering if you are really that gullible and naive to think this or are you still brainwashed from when you were told these things as a young child?
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Confucian] 1
#21959615 - 07/18/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Confucian said: Why are you guys still stuck in the bronze age? Yes, your lives suck and always will, and it makes you feel better thinking you have an invisible dad that lives in outer space. Just wondering if you are really that gullible and naive to think this or are you still brainwashed from when you were told these things as a young child?
You really don't know or understand any of this.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Confucian] 2
#21959625 - 07/18/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Confucian said: Why are you guys still stuck in the bronze age? Yes, your lives suck and always will, and it makes you feel better thinking you have an invisible dad that lives in outer space. Just wondering if you are really that gullible and naive to think this or are you still brainwashed from when you were told these things as a young child?
Why are you stuck in highschool level atheism? Its not like you're saying anything here that can't be thought up by a kid in his first few hours of deciding there is no God.
But then again, what sensible argument can you raise against it? Our God makes perfect sense.
Is there stuff? Yep. Then there is a totality of everything. Yep. The totality of everything would include all sentience. Yep. Therefore, the totality of everything is sentient. Yep.
I had two atheist phases too. One as part of my teenage rebellion where I refused to accept higher authority and the other for a few months after my mother died and I ceased to give a fuck whether I lived or died.
I came around.
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Wouldn't call god a him or her more of an it.'it' would encompass all. So yeah a him or her and an alien as well i guess?
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: 404]
#21959653 - 07/18/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Everything. You, me, our blood, the insects, the fungi, the stars and the rocks and the emptiness between the atoms and the nuclear forces and the energy you expend making love to a beautiful woman who is also god...
For everywhere I look, I see something Holy.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Turtletotem]
#21959671 - 07/18/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pantheism... Which is a completely different ballpark than monotheism... People like confucian only seem to know 'god' by these organized religions - judaism chistianity and islam etc.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: 404]
#21959677 - 07/18/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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“And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
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CIA World Factbook says:
Worldwide distribution of religions and beliefs:
Christian 33.39% (of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, non-religious 9.66%, atheists 2.01% (2010 est.)
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Turtletotem]
#21959712 - 07/18/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Everything. You, me, our blood, the insects, the fungi, the stars and the rocks and the emptiness between the atoms and the nuclear forces and the energy you expend making love to a beautiful woman who is also god...
For everywhere I look, I see something Holy.
This, absolutely.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Confucian]
#21959714 - 07/18/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Confucian said: Why are you guys still stuck in the bronze age? Yes, your lives suck and always will, and it makes you feel better thinking you have an invisible dad that lives in outer space. Just wondering if you are really that gullible and naive to think this or are you still brainwashed from when you were told these things as a young child?
You are clearly disputing God Scenario #1 which, by reading this thread, not many are defending or arguing for at all.
Maybe it would help if you would simply move off of the Abrahamic, God Judge in the sky and expand your thinking to ponder that God might be far, far more than that?
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Turtletotem]
#21959716 - 07/18/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Everything. You, me, our blood, our shit, our diarrhea, throw up, cancer, puss, cum, spit, pee is also god...
For everywhere I look, I see something Holy.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Asante]
#21959718 - 07/18/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said: There is a fourth category of God:
4. The totality of everything, which is a force AND the most evolved form of all beings.
Thats basically a wedding of your three categories. It is The Force, It is an advanced being AND It grants special requests.
Its all that and then some!
Awesome post! I like and embrace this definition 100%. All that is, was and ever will be … all the potential, possibilities and imaginings fully realized … all at once …
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
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