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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Dark_Star]
#21955837 - 07/17/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why would ancient man look to the stars and somehow think that ancient beings were traveling from there? With the exception of the moon, does anything even remotely, in the sky, look like beings would live there?
All ancient creation myths involve beings that came to earth … real, physical beings, that interacted with them, taught them, instructed and in many cases, manipulated genetics … Why all these creation myths so similar? There's simply too many of these stories that line up perfectly to call it some kind of global coincidence. I spend a ton of time outdoors and look at the night sky a lot. I cannot see how anyone would look up there and just naturally reason that advanced beings were coming from there … unless of course, they did.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21955844 - 07/17/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: Why would ancient man look to the stars and somehow think that ancient beings were traveling from there? With the exception of the moon, does anything even remotely, in the sky, look like beings would live there?
All ancient creation myths involve beings that came to earth … real, physical beings, that interacted with them, taught them, instructed and in many cases, manipulated genetics … Why all these creation myths so similar? There's simply too many of these stories that line up perfectly to call it some kind of global coincidence. I spend a ton of time outdoors and look at the night sky a lot. I cannot see how anyone would look up there and just naturally reason that advanced beings were coming from there … unless of course, they did.
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So then what's the fuckin' problem, dumbass.. ?
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21955855 - 07/17/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Human imagination is a powerful thing. The stars engender wonder in most who look at them. Easy to see ancient man seeing gods twinkling up there.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Amanita86]
#21955864 - 07/17/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: So then what's the fuckin' problem, dumbass.. ?
I said it.
You acted like just because youve been shown things, its 100% fact.
Well I have also been shown my believes, they have been displayed to me as 'this makes sense, this is how it is'.
Your just silly. Keep reading your Bible. (written by a bunch of people who claimed God was channeling these words through them) Have some blind faith that that words were coming from God? Who knows where they came from? What entity told them that shit?
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Dark_Star]
#21955879 - 07/17/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: Human imagination is a powerful thing. The stars engender wonder in most who look at them. Easy to see ancient man seeing gods twinkling up there.
LMAO!!! Ancient man from all cultures all around the globe seeing the same things and telling the same creation myths and building similar structures all at once? Come on.
More likely that ancient man had a far more potent and interactive relationship with his dreaming states and that world was much more a part of his daily experience. Probably had relationships with dream entities that played a much bigger role in his experience of his life. It is probably likely that many in these ancient cultures had far more developed out of body travel capabilities and lucid dreaming skills that enabled him/her to learn things that to us seem quite foreign and taboo now.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21955884 - 07/17/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: Human imagination is a powerful thing. The stars engender wonder in most who look at them. Easy to see ancient man seeing gods twinkling up there.
LMAO!!! Ancient man from all cultures all around the globe seeing the same things and telling the same creation myths and building similar structures all at once? Come on.
More likely that ancient man had a far more potent and interactive relationship with his dreaming states and that world was much more a part of his daily experience. Probably had relationships with dream entities that played a much bigger role in his experience of his life. It is probably likely that many in these ancient cultures had far more developed out of body travel capabilities and lucid dreaming skills that enabled him/her to learn things that to us seem quite foreign and taboo now.
Humanity was so much farther advanced SPIRITUALY back in the day. Now Humanity is much more advanced TECHNOLOGICALLY, and has lost most of its natural spiritual abilities. But each person has these abilities within themselves, they just have to learn how to unlock them, through their OWN power.
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Your just silly. Keep reading your Bible. (written by a bunch of people who claimed God was channeling these words through them)
The bible, BTW, is quite clear that advanced beings came to earth, interacted with man and mated with females altering the Human genome. Very specific about it.
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Humanity was so much farther advanced SPIRITUALY back in the day. Now Humanity is much more advanced TECHNOLOGICALLY, and has lost most of its natural spiritual abilities. But each person has these abilities within themselves, they just have to learn how to unlock them, through their OWN power.
Agree with you 100% although I'd add that there is a small but growing population here on earth that is developing these abilities to an even higher level. They aren't at critical mass yet to really impact our culture, but will be at some point in the not too distant future.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21955896 - 07/17/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your just silly. Keep reading your Bible. (written by a bunch of people who claimed God was channeling these words through them)
The bible, BTW, is quite clear that advanced beings came to earth, interacted with man and mated with females altering the Human genome. Very specific about it.
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Humanity was so much farther advanced SPIRITUALY back in the day. Now Humanity is much more advanced TECHNOLOGICALLY, and has lost most of its natural spiritual abilities. But each person has these abilities within themselves, they just have to learn how to unlock them, through their OWN power.
Agree with you 100% although I'd add that there is a small but growing population here on earth that is developing these abilities to an even higher level. They aren't at critical mass yet to really impact our culture, but will be at some point in the not too distant future.
You are right about that. Im not sure what to make of all this quite yet, until some changes come along.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21955912 - 07/17/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Humans are similar creatures. Despite differences in culture, there are many common threads. It's a lot more likely that humans came up with those myths than it is that beings from hundreds of thousands of light years away came here to create us. As far as similar structures go, that was already explained. Pyramids are structurally sound, and easy to design. All of your evidence is circumstantial.
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You are right about that. Im not sure what to make of all this quite yet, until some changes come along.
What screws up everything is the whole "savior element" of our modern belief system. This is, I believe, a social engineering tactic that the Romans really leveraged and became part of the train tracks of the Western world.
When you take the savior element out and then just look at all the myths in terms of there just might be advanced beings trying to help us … not save us … not judge us … not offer us salvation because we don't need it … but simply to give us a little nudge here and there when we need it.
And, of course, there might be exploitative malevolent entities out there that, like parasites or predators are exploiting our planet. Not because they're evil, but because we are a lesser species they can exploit much the way we exploit domesticated animals.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Dark_Star]
#21955925 - 07/17/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: Humans are similar creatures. Despite differences in culture, there are many common threads. It's a lot more likely that humans came up with those myths than it is that beings from hundreds of thousands of light years away came here to create us. As far as similar structures go, that was already explained. Pyramids are structurally sound, and easy to design. All of your evidence is circumstantial.
Why is it more "likely?" It seems much less likely to me that every culture around the planet made up a shared lie about our origin?
What is your take on the structures at Puma Punku? Why in the world were they built at such a high altitude? Why the legends that they were an ancient launching pad for alien craft and when it's put together, that's exactly what it looks like? WHY?
WTF would build something like that at such a high altitude? Imagine the effort? Trees don't grow that high so there's no way to even roll the giant stones around.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca] 1
#21955964 - 07/17/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: Humans are similar creatures. Despite differences in culture, there are many common threads. It's a lot more likely that humans came up with those myths than it is that beings from hundreds of thousands of light years away came here to create us. As far as similar structures go, that was already explained. Pyramids are structurally sound, and easy to design. All of your evidence is circumstantial.
Why is it more "likely?" It seems much less likely to me that every culture around the planet made up a shared lie about our origin?
What is your take on the structures at Puma Punku? Why in the world were they built at such a high altitude? Why the legends that they were an ancient launching pad for alien craft and when it's put together, that's exactly what it looks like? WHY?
WTF would build something like that at such a high altitude? Imagine the effort? Trees don't grow that high so there's no way to even roll the giant stones around.
When our vast city landscapes are found in the ruins of the future do you think they'll ask why we built them? Surely these people were insane. How could they have built so many giant structures? Would they even understand that most of them were built for "work" related purpose? If they didn't have the idea that work is something to be done everyday they would not understand just like we don't understand stuff like the pyramids and Stonehenge. Without cultural context meaning is lost.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21955967 - 07/17/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wouldn't call it a shared lie...it's a shared myth. Could have easily come from the collective unconscious. Not to mention shreds of history that merely grew over campfire tellings. The end of last ice age had reverberations all over the world. As far as puma punku, I don't know what it is...but launchpad is hardly the most likely notion. People go to higher elevations for any number of reasons; security being number 1. The high ground is easily defendable, provides great lines of sight, and is a bitch to reach. It's a great place for a stronghold. Humans throughout history have built in inhospitable high altitude regions for exactly that purpose. Puma Punku may very well be a refuge from an enemy....a human enemy.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Dark_Star]
#21955997 - 07/17/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Dark_Star]
#21956001 - 07/17/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: I wouldn't call it a shared lie...it's a shared myth. Could have easily come from the collective unconscious. Not to mention shreds of history that merely grew over campfire tellings. The end of last ice age had reverberations all over the world. As far as puma punku, I don't know what it is...but launchpad is hardly the most likely notion. People go to higher elevations for any number of reasons; security being number 1. The high ground is easily defendable, provides great lines of sight, and is a bitch to reach. It's a great place for a stronghold. Humans throughout history have built in inhospitable high altitude regions for exactly that purpose. Puma Punku may very well be a refuge from an enemy....a human enemy.
Every theory like this has one thing in common … it is in direct contradiction of what local legend says happen. The oral tradition handed down often with great care, must be thrown out because "we know better" and "they couldn't possibly have been telling the truth."
Whether it's the structures on Easter Island, the incredible rock structures in and around Cuzco, Puma Punku, the enormous underground ruins off of Japan and the Bahamas, or every creation myth of virtually every civilization on the history of the planet. Whether it's the Greeks, the Bible, the Sumerians, Vikings, and any of 100 indigenous cultures, they're ALL WRONG. ALL OF THEM. Every explanation of these advanced beings and how and why these incredible structures were built … ALL WRONG….
I find that incredible that anyone could make such an assertion.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Eggtimer]
#21956030 - 07/17/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eggtimer said: Hey guys you know how you hate being bored right? Imagine you've found a problem to boredom. The solution is a maze you're building for yourself to occupy your time. You've built the maze so well as to become lost within it's endless labyrinths
I very much like this. Time to get lost in love 
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21956035 - 07/17/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You completely ignore human nature with that explanation. Stories grow, particularly ones that are told again & again. This has been proven. Whisper down the lane never ends the way it begins. The old tales are myths. Myths always have seeds of fact & history that grow into a tree. Trees & seeds do not look the same. In the case of puma Punku, the myths were begun by ancient peoples that came across the ruins when they were already ruins. They had nothing to do with building them, were like what the fuck is this? then came up with a story to explain it. Their story was that it was built by beings from the stars. The same way that dinosaur fossils led to tales of dragons throughout the past. The fact that even today so many people jump to the "must've been aliens" explanation for ancient monuments is telling.
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Re: To those who believe in God [Re: Dark_Star]
#21956059 - 07/17/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: You completely ignore human nature with that explanation. Stories grow, particularly ones that are told again & again. This has been proven. Whisper down the lane never ends the way it begins. The old tales are myths. Myths always have seeds of fact & history that grow into a tree. Trees & seeds do not look the same. In the case of puma Punku, the myths were begun by ancient peoples that came across the ruins when they were already ruins. They had nothing to do with building them, were like what the fuck is this? then came up with a story to explain it. Their story was that it was built by beings from the stars. The same way that dinosaur fossils led to tales of dragons throughout the past. The fact that even today so many people jump to the "must've been aliens" explanation for ancient monuments is telling.
Puma Punku has stones over 150 tons in weight, which scientist tell us were quarried roughly 600 miles away and transported over a region where there are no trees growing to roll them across. 600 miles! Imagine what it would take to move ONE stone, 150 tons, over 600 miles with no modern power … Try to imagine that for a moment. Now, imagine there are hundreds of stones like that.
WTF would ever do that? What level of motivation? I could find 100 strong guys and it would take us a lifetime to figure out how to move one stone that far with the technology we think they had.
None of it adds up. The explanations, frankly, are ludicrous. I've been there, I've been to Peru, I've been to Bhutan, I've been to Mexico and seen these structures. When you see them you realize how ridiculous it is to believe these rocks could be moved up and down mountains and across rivers without modern power.
The egyptian pyramids one can understand. That kind of structure lends itself to a construction project ancient man could handle. But there are others that don't.
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