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Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded.
    #21954566 - 07/17/15 01:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)



It converted 1 gram of matter into energy, producing a force equivalent to 21 thousand tons of TNT.

70 years on, how do you feel about nuclear weapons, the use of them in wartime Japan, their use as deterrants etc?


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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: Asante]
    #21954575 - 07/17/15 01:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think it marks the end of large scale warfare. It seriously cannot happen anymore without both sides getting annihilated, and im positive every superpower out there is tacitly aware of that.


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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21954581 - 07/17/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

we should have annihilated already...would be easier to bang ole' Mary Jane Rotten Crotch....


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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: Asante] * 1
    #21954584 - 07/17/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Cruel Bombs yo


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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21954809 - 07/17/15 04:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Cruel Bombs yo





I enjoyed that.


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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: Asante] * 1
    #21954813 - 07/17/15 04:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:happyheart: Vsauce  :heart:
Has some pretty inspirational videos.


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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21954814 - 07/17/15 04:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

He does but he made an oopsie in that video. He said only 0.7gr of uranium fissioned in the Hiroshima bomb.

Not correct, he got that mixed up. Almost 2 pounds did, of about 100 pounds of 235Uranium and the amount of mass converted to energy by that was 0.7gr.

235Uranium bombs require about 100 pounds critical mass, 239Plutonium bombs about 20 pounds plus plutonium is easier to separate if you have a nuclear power infrastructure, which is why the superpowers went with plutonium bombs.

Before 1950 they had 150 of the "Fat Man" bomb that destroyed Nagasaki.



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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: Asante]
    #21954820 - 07/17/15 04:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The Japanese Emperor was right to call these "cruel bombs"  based on the eyewitness accounts that came in. Nuclear weapons are Hell on Earth.


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Mr. Hiroshi Sawachika was 28 years old when the bomb was dropped. He was an army doctor stationed at the army headquarters in Ujina. When he was exposed, he was inside the building at the headquarters, 4.1 km from the hypocenter. Being rather far from the hypocenter, he was not seriously injured. Afterwards, he was very busy getting medical treatment to the survivors.

MR. SAWACHIKA: I was in my office. I had just entered the room and said "Good morning." to colleagues and I was about to approach my desk when outside it suddenly turned bright red. I felt very hot on my cheeks. Being the chief of the room, I shouted to the young men and women in the room that they should evacuate. As soon as I cried, I felt weightless as if I were an astronaut. I was then unconscious for 20 or 30 seconds. When I came to, I realized that everybody including myself was lying at one side of the room. Nobody was standing. The desks and chairs had also blown off to one side. At the windows, there was no window glass and the window frames had been blown out as well. I went to the windows to find out where the bombing had taken place. And I saw the mushroom cloud over the gas company. The sound and shock somehow suggested that the bomb had been dropped right over the gas company. I still had no idea what had happened. And I kept looking towards the gas company. After a while, I realized that my white shirt was red all over. I thought it was funny because I was not injured at all. I looked around and then realized that the girl lying near by was heavily injured, with lots of broken glass stuck all over her body. Her blood had splashed and made stains on my shirt. In a few minutes, I heard my name called. I was told to go to the headquarters where there were lots of injured persons waiting. I went there and I started to give treatment with the help of nurses and medical course men. We first treated the office personnel for their injuries. Most of them had broken glass and pieces of wood stuck into them. We treated them one after another. Afterwards, we heard the strange noise. It sounded as if a large flock of mosquitoes were coming from a distance. We looked out of the window to find out what was happening. We saw that citizens from the town were marching towards us. They looked unusual. We understood that the injured citizens were coming towards us for treatment. But while, we thought that there should be Red Cross Hospitals and another big hospitals in the center of the town. So why should they come here, I wondered, instead of going there. At that time, I did not know that the center of the town had been so heavily damaged. After a while, with the guide of the hospital personnel, the injured persons reached our headquarters. With lots of injured people arriving, we realized just how serious the matter was. We decided that we should treat them also. Soon afterwards, we learned that many of them had badly burned. As they came to us, they held their hands aloft. They looked like they were ghosts. We made the tincture for that treatment by mixing edible peanut oil and something. We had to work in a mechanical manner in order to treat so many patients. We provided one room for the heavily injured and another for the slightly injured. A treatment was limited to the first aid because there were no facilities for the patients to be hospitalized. Later on, when I felt that I could leave the work to other staff for a moment, I walked out of the treatment room and went into the another room to see what had happened. When I stepped inside, I found the room filled with the smell that was quite similar to the smell of dried squid when it has been grilled. The smell was quite strong. It's a sad reality that the smell human beings produce when they are burned is the same as that of the dried squid when it is grilled. The squid - we like so much to eat. It was a strange feeling, a feeling that I had never had before. I can still remember that smell quite clearly. Afterwards, I came back to the treatment room and walked through the roads of people who were either seriously injured or waiting to be treated. When I felt someone touch my leg, it was a pregnant woman. She said that she was about to die in a few hours. She said, "I know that I am going to die. But I can feel that my baby is moving inside. It wants to get out of the room. I don't mind if I had died. But if the baby is delivered now, it does not have to die with me. Please help my baby live." There were no obstetricians there. There was no delivery room. There was no time to take care of her baby. All I could do was to tell her that I would come back later when everything was ready for her and her baby. Thus I cheered her up and she looks so happy. But I have to return to the treatment work. So I resumed to work taking care of the injured one by one. There were so many patients. I felt as if I was fighting against the limited time. It was late in the afternoon towards the evening. And image of that pregnant woman never left my mind. Later, I went to the place where I had found her before, she was still there lying in the same place. I patted her on the shoulder, but she said nothing. The person lying next to her said that a short while ago, she had become silent. I still recalled this incident partly because I was not able to fulfill the last wish of this dying young woman. I also remember her because I had a chance to talk with her however short it was.

INTERVIEWER: How many patients did you treat on August 6?

ANSWER: Well, at least 2 or 3 thousand on that very day if you include those patients whom I gave directions to. I felt that as if once that day started, it never ended. I had to keep on and on treating the patients forever. It was the longest day of my life. Later on, when I had time to reflect on that day, I came to realize that we, doctors learned a lot through the experience, through the suffering of all those people. It's true that the lack of medical knowledge, medical facilities, integrated organization and so on prevented us from giving sufficient medical treatment. Still there was a lot for us, medical doctors to learn on that day. I learned that the nuclear weapons which gnaw the minds and bodies of human beings should never be used. Even the slightest idea using nuclear arms should be completely exterminated the minds of human beings. Otherwise, we will repeat the same tragedy. And we will never stop being ashamed of ourselves.







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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: Asante]
    #21954946 - 07/17/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Abuse of science and the seeds of stupidity revolving nuclear energy nowadays.


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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, [Re: Asante]
    #21956797 - 07/17/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Surely you can appreciate the fact that nuclear weapons are about 100x more humane than firebombing. Nuclear weapons, when used, are still absolutely terrible, but when you read first hand records of firebombing, firebombing is on a completely different level of atrocity. The worst part about firebombing is that unlike nuclear bombs people understood exactly what kind of devastation firebombing causes, and chose to proceed anyway.

Ironically, nuclear weapons at least provided the longest period of peace between the world's major powers that the world has ever known. Nuclear weapons have prevented more countries from going to war than anything else in history. Firebombs contributed absolutely nothing to mankind.

The US was firebombing Japan and Germany long before we used nuclear weapons, and the scale of the devastation, misery, and suffering that firebombing caused far outweighs anything caused by nuclear weapons.



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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: Asante]
    #21956827 - 07/17/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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He does but he made an oopsie in that video. He said only 0.7gr of uranium fissioned in the Hiroshima bomb.

Not correct, he got that mixed up. Almost 2 pounds did, of about 100 pounds of 235Uranium and the amount of mass converted to energy by that was 0.7gr.




No, what he was saying is that .7g of uranium fissioned, the rest of the mass of uranium contributed the neutrons necessary to reach critical mass, but didn't actually undergo fission. It was just blown off in the detonation.

Edit: Oh I see what your saying. Yah. Only a small portion of the uranium actually undergoes fission, but the loss of mass was about .7g, meaning that the energy equivalent of .7g of matter is equivalent to 20 kilotons of TNT.


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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: koods]
    #21956860 - 07/17/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Think about that... According to E=MC2, the energy equivalent of the average human is the same as a 2000 megaton bomb.


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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: koods]
    #21956864 - 07/17/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I like thinking of it in terms of doses of psychedelics. 3.5 grams of shrooms is about equivalent to 50 kilotons of TNT.
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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: nooneman]
    #21956898 - 07/17/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I like thinking of it in terms of doses of psychedelics. 3.5 grams of shrooms is about equivalent to 50 kilotons of TNT.
:trippinbawelz:




Only in the way that 1lb of lead is worth 1lb of gold.


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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #21956970 - 07/17/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I like thinking of it in terms of doses of psychedelics. 3.5 grams of shrooms is about equivalent to 50 kilotons of TNT.
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Only in the way that 1lb of lead is worth 1lb of gold.




Mass and energy are two sides of the same coin.


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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: koods]
    #21957099 - 07/17/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the clarification, Einstein.


You see what I did there?


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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #21959445 - 07/18/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Old VS New:



This is The Gadget


Its diameter was approximately 5 foot across (1.5m), its weight approximately 2,200 lbs (1000kg) and its yield about 20 kilotons.




This is the W89 thermonuclear warhead.


Its a 13.3-inch (33.8 cm) diameter by 40.8-inch (103.6 cm) long weapon, with a weight of 324 pounds (147 kg) and yield of 200 kilotons.


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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: Asante]
    #21976848 - 07/21/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If I remember correctly the exponential increase in power was enabled by a primary fission reaction being lensed against a secondary charge. They now have warheads capable of leveling the greater Manhattan area into nothing but ash. Which is why they will never be used.


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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21976900 - 07/21/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

big bombs like that scare the fuck out of me.


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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: memes]
    #21977077 - 07/21/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I love nukes and always have...were at 1157 on the DD clock


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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21977453 - 07/21/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If I remember correctly the exponential increase in power was enabled by a primary fission reaction being lensed against a secondary charge. They now have warheads capable of leveling the greater Manhattan area into nothing but ash. Which is why they will never be used.




The neutrons from the fission of the primary strikes lithium deuterium in the secondary converting the lithium to tritium (hydrogen 3). The tritium fuses with the deuterium. (Hydrogen 2) to produce helium and releasing a majority if the energy produced In the hydrogen bomb.



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Re: Yesterday, July 16 1945, the first nuclear bomb, "Trinity" exploded. [Re: koods]
    #21978796 - 07/22/15 03:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Damn all this power and nothing to blow, let's destroy the moon!

It is quite startling to consider the reality of 1 20kt nuclear bomb vs the now reality of a MIRV circular dispersal of 8+ 200kt warheads.


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