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Is this Amanita muscaria var. alba??
#21954532 - 07/17/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hello, It has been quite sometime since I have been around here. I have been hiking around 6-10 miles a day and I have been noticing this particular Amanita everywhere, Even in habitats of differing flora.
Anyhow, today I chose to take some pictures in order maybe get a confirmation of what I believe it to be .
Habitat: highly variable... these particular photos were taken along the Appalachians. These are growing from the forest floor of deciduous forests of approximately 20% loblolly Pine, 30% various maple, 30% various oak, some holly trees, some ash, and elm.
Gills: White in color, I did not pick so I am unsure of the pattern. Or spore print. I will be going back out in the next couple of days, if spore print and/or gill pattern is necessary. Let me know and I will obtain whatever. They are all quite young so I am wanting to wait until they drop their spores for next year.
Cap: White in color. Broadly convex, going to more of a planar structure with age. The "annulus", or "veil", or "ring" whichever terminology you prefer seem to protrude from the base where the cap meets the stem. Although this could change with age... Also the "spines" or "scales" on the cap seem to be laid out symmetrically.
No Spore Print as of Now.
Location: Tennessee Appalachians. Also have noticed the same shroom in GA and OH Appalachians recently. As I have been hiking them all.
Let me know if more info is needed and what I need to do to get a good confirmation.
     
I apologized if I missed something. Thanks in advance for any help.
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Re: Is this Amanita muscaria var. alba?? [Re: confuzzed]
#21954540 - 07/17/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That looks like a deathcap to me. Amintas are red with white spots turning yellow as they age. You take that mushroom and its straight to emergency for you and the worst death you could imagine. Its Aminita phyloides not sure of the spelling but everything from the spores to the stem are poisonous, don't pick it just TI to confirm for you but that's what it looks to me.
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Edited by Laughingcowwa (07/17/15 01:12 AM)
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Re: Is this Amanita muscaria var. alba?? [Re: Laughingcowwa]
#21954550 - 07/17/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Laughingcowwa - You mean that Amanita Muscaria has a red cap with white spots. The death cap is also an Amanita- an Amanita Phalloides.
But I am not sure that's what is in the photo. But definitely do not eat it!
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Re: Is this Amanita muscaria var. alba?? [Re: Laughingcowwa]
#21954590 - 07/17/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Laughingcowwa said: That looks like a deathcap to me. Amintas are red with white spots turning yellow as they age. You take that mushroom and its straight to emergency for you and the worst death you could imagine. Its Aminita phyloides not sure of the spelling but everything from the spores to the stem are poisonous, don't pick it just TI to confirm for you but that's what it looks to me.
Yes, Well I am from the old days of mushroom hunting... back when all amanita muscaria were considered poisonous...
I have no intentions of eating it. I do know this division of Amanita is under study and may be evolving in taxonomy.
It does not key out to Amanita phalloides for me. Not to say it isn't. Because it also doesn't key out to Amanita muscaria either. It is missing ring details running up from the volva.
I may have to go back and try to key it out to Cystoderma, Armillaria, and Lepiota as indicated by Mushrooms demystified. I am not familiar wit these though and doubt they have the volva
Maybe someone can help.
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Re: Is this Amanita muscaria var. alba?? [Re: Gravity]
#21954602 - 07/17/15 02:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's exactly what I wrote just got the spelling wrong
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Re: Is this Amanita muscaria var. alba?? [Re: Laughingcowwa]
#21959454 - 07/18/15 06:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is Amanita section lepidella. It has an abrupt basal bulb, so it may be Amanita abrupta. Amanita muscaria var. alba is now called A. chrysoblema. It is not a death angel, destroying angel or anything is section phalloideae
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Re: Is this Amanita muscaria var. alba?? [Re: nomendubium]
#21962668 - 07/18/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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nomendubium said: This is Amanita section lepidella. It has an abrupt basal bulb, so it may be Amanita abrupta. Amanita muscaria var. alba is now called A. chrysoblema. It is not a death angel, destroying angel or anything is section phalloideae
Appreciate the response nomendubium. I will look into the Amanita abrupta. I have not been able to key it out properly using anything. Small details are missing for exact confirmation of any species. I believe I will sign up for mushroom observer as this seems to be more along the lines of what I am looking for. Since they ID all species as best as possible rather than just actives.
Not to say I am not interested in actives.
I just need to get back in the swing of things and putting in the time and ID'ing all mushrooms I come across will serve me better in the end. Especially since I am looking for edibles as well.
Can I ask what do you mean by abrupt basal bulb? Is there a particular text you are referencing for this?
Either way, appreciate it.
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Re: Is this Amanita muscaria var. alba?? [Re: nomendubium]
#21963126 - 07/19/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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nomendubium said: This is Amanita section lepidella. It has an abrupt basal bulb, so it may be Amanita abrupta. Amanita muscaria var. alba is now called A. chrysoblema. It is not a death angel, destroying angel or anything is section phalloideae
Killed it man! Appreciate it. I do not have this species in any of my keys, nor any other books. Props! !
Looks like I need to update my literature. Time to search for a better mushroom bible 
suggestions willingly accepted.
http://www.amanitaceae.org/?Amanita%20abrupta
Not to mention most pictures of this come from Tennessee, and I am finding this in TN and in the neighboring states around the border lines.
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Re: Is this Amanita muscaria var. alba?? [Re: confuzzed]
#21963617 - 07/19/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Amanitaceae. org is the best place to research Amanitas. Tip; if you click on the search and Search for "Tennessee, Kentucky" and other neighboring states, separated by a comma, and in the right hand drop down menu, scroll down to "material examined" you will get a list of what occurs in your area
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Re: Is this Amanita muscaria var. alba?? [Re: nomendubium]
#21963630 - 07/19/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That looks exactly like Amanita bisporigera...
Be careful!
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The habitat you described fits Amanita bisporigera as well...
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Hmm...actually the cap on the mushrooms you posted looks quite textured while Amanita bisporigera is generally smooth...
Still I would be very careful.
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it's a mile from bisporagera, not even in the same section. It is poisonous anyway though
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Re: Is this Amanita muscaria var. alba?? [Re: nomendubium]
#21963673 - 07/19/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What are the distinguishing features that I missed?
I'm not familiar with amanita species the way I am with psilocybes, I don't like ibotonic acid or Muscimol, and never search for anything in this genus.
As a rule of thumb I avoid anything that's not a psilocybe, even gymnopylus species, specially white mushrooms that look like amanitas...
Regardless I need learn about this species as well, even if I'm never going to look for/consume anything close to it.
Any information or advice in this area would be appreciated.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: What are the distinguishing features that I missed?
Most resembles abrupta because of the basal bulb. Amanita species often have a volva for a basal bulb. Meaning the mushroom pinned much like an "egg" and "busted" through. Once the veil (universal veil) detached, it leaves behind a "sac-like" basal bulb. This one detached "abruptly" and left a rim where the veil detached. Much like an egg cut in half with a stem popping out of it.
The A. bisporigera is often slightly tinted in other colors. Has a smooth cap, and the basal bulb is sac-like.
Here is a link to different types of amanita basal bulbs and basic genus indicators.
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/amanita.html
General rules are: -Smooth Cap or with warts, but usually a dry cap. -White gills (or lighter in color)<=== sometimes yellow or slightly gray, etc... -white spore print -veil completely encases young mushroom, breaks as mushroom elongates to leave behind "warts" often on the cap. -has a "volva" (can be saclike, collarlike, scaly, and/or indistinct) -partial veil often present and leaving behind a skirt or ring around stipe
The volva and/or basal bulb is the first indicator of Amanita for me. Always expose the base if possible.
The only one of concern here is Amanita muscaria. Pretty easy to spot and identify. If all other traits check out in ID'ing this mushroom just make sure it has concentric rings (usually 2-4) protruding up from the volva. They are shown in picture 1 of my link and are called "concentric zones of shagginess." Although other amanitas may have this trait as well.. This is why you need to be sure.
Amanitas are said to be responsible for 90% of mushroom-induced fatalities.
This is why I have chosen to start getting back into mushroom identification with this species as they are easier to ID and learn on than other deadlies such as Galerina.
Edited by confuzzed (07/19/15 11:12 AM)
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Re: Is this Amanita muscaria var. alba?? [Re: nomendubium]
#21964175 - 07/19/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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nomendubium said: Amanitaceae. org is the best place to research Amanitas. Tip; if you click on the search and Search for "Tennessee, Kentucky" and other neighboring states, separated by a comma, and in the right hand drop down menu, scroll down to "material examined" you will get a list of what occurs in your area
This was extremely helpful in narrowing down possibilities .
If I could give you some rep, I would. However I do not have enough posts 
Thanks for all the help.
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Re: Is this Amanita muscaria var. alba?? [Re: confuzzed]
#21969352 - 07/20/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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confuzzed said:
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: What are the distinguishing features that I missed?
Most resembles abrupta because of the basal bulb. Amanita species often have a volva for a basal bulb. Meaning the mushroom pinned much like an "egg" and "busted" through. Once the veil (universal veil) detached, it leaves behind a "sac-like" basal bulb. This one detached "abruptly" and left a rim where the veil detached. Much like an egg cut in half with a stem popping out of it.
The A. bisporigera is often slightly tinted in other colors. Has a smooth cap, and the basal bulb is sac-like.
Here is a link to different types of amanita basal bulbs and basic genus indicators.
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/amanita.html
General rules are: -Smooth Cap or with warts, but usually a dry cap. -White gills (or lighter in color)<=== sometimes yellow or slightly gray, etc... -white spore print -veil completely encases young mushroom, breaks as mushroom elongates to leave behind "warts" often on the cap. -has a "volva" (can be saclike, collarlike, scaly, and/or indistinct) -partial veil often present and leaving behind a skirt or ring around stipe
The volva and/or basal bulb is the first indicator of Amanita for me. Always expose the base if possible.
The only one of concern here is Amanita muscaria. Pretty easy to spot and identify. If all other traits check out in ID'ing this mushroom just make sure it has concentric rings (usually 2-4) protruding up from the volva. They are shown in picture 1 of my link and are called "concentric zones of shagginess." Although other amanitas may have this trait as well.. This is why you need to be sure.
Amanitas are said to be responsible for 90% of mushroom-induced fatalities.
This is why I have chosen to start getting back into mushroom identification with this species as they are easier to ID and learn on than other deadlies such as Galerina.
Thank you this is most helpful.
-E. Borodin
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