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thewanderer25
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Re: I finally got shrooms! [Re: Ihateyou]
#21957104 - 07/17/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Idk man the day I go around sampling everybody's shrooms is the day I know for sure who got the dealer grade. All I know is there better than the wild ones I find.
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SteveRogers
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I am not mad. I am trying to prevent inexperienced users from reading your post and not getting the context or joke...... The whole point is there is no such thing as dealer grade. You just said yourself "My dealer grew them himself" that is the same thing as we do here. Grow them ourselves, but we don't sell them. Thats what we are saying. They are no different. Wild mushrooms in my experience are a bit hit or miss, generally home grown mushrooms from consistent genetics are going to trump most wild specimens in potency. Certainly not all the time though. Don't let your guard down because they are wild picked.
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LoveNaborFuckHater
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I've never understood how cloning and minimizing genetics can make shrooms more potent. If I take my largest shroom off my cake and make a print out of it then how would that make the potency higher? It could be the biggest but it could also be very weak.
Anyone care to explain how potency is controlled? I've never been able to grasp the concept of it
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SteveRogers
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LoveNaborFuckHater said: I've never understood how cloning and minimizing genetics can make shrooms more potent. If I take my largest shroom off my cake and make a print out of it then how would that make the potency higher? It could be the biggest but it could also be very weak.
Anyone care to explain how potency is controlled? I've never been able to grasp the concept of it
Thats why it's not about taking the largest shroom. It's about cloning the most potent one. Not very complicated. I look for a balance of superior potency, yield, and colonization time. Who gives a shit if you get two 75 gram fruits if I get 50, 10gram fruits of superior potency.
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Ihateyou
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I read on this website that you couldn't clone a mushroom with a spore print. You have to get a piece of the tissue.I think it was a TC who said it too.
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SteveRogers
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Re: I finally got shrooms! [Re: Ihateyou]
#21957704 - 07/17/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes that is true. And......?
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LoveNaborFuckHater
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How would you know which is more potent than the next?
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Ihateyou
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LoveNaborFuckHater said: If I take my largest shroom off my cake and make a print out of it then how would that make the potency higher? It could be the biggest but it could also be very weak.
I was just saying because I read this and just wanted to make sure that what the other guy who I was talking about was right.
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SteveRogers
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LoveNaborFuckHater said: How would you know which is more potent than the next?
How do you think man?
I grow whole monos of clone candidates. Give samples to ten people. Get reviews. Then continue that line of genetics or put it our back in the compost pile to let it do its thing until it dies naturally.
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LoveNaborFuckHater
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So you take a shroom, clone it, and see which mono produces the most potent and then just keep cloning from that mono?
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SteveRogers
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LoveNaborFuckHater said: So you take a shroom, clone it, and see which mono produces the most potent and then just keep cloning from that mono?
Eventually you will run into senescence. Just do some reading around the site man. This is not revelatory information.
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LoveNaborFuckHater
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I just never knew where to start, everything I read was so complex the way it was written it just went over my head. I guess I had been waiting to find a dumbed down explanation and then go from there.
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SteveRogers
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LoveNaborFuckHater said: I just never knew where to start, everything I read was so complex the way it was written it just went over my head. I guess I had been waiting to find a dumbed down explanation and then go from there.
Start working with Agar. go from there. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18081573#18081573
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natedawgnow
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seriously go over to the cultivation forum and read a bit if you're interested in it. You take a LOT of clones, grow them out, test them and keep the good ones, throw out the bad ones. You don't keep cloning once you find a good one. You just keep an original sample of it's myc on a culture slant.
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LoveNaborFuckHater said: How would you know which is more potent than the next?
How do you think man?
I grow whole monos of clone candidates. Give samples to ten people. Get reviews. Then continue that line of genetics or put it our back in the compost pile to let it do its thing until it dies naturally.
Im guessing thats what dealers do. Carefully genetic isolating. its not that home growers cannot do it, its just growers like me just havent done all the work to make those potent isolates.
Im sure i could get dealer grade if i really tried (maybe). Im not the best grower thou.
I will say that my homegrowns are much more gentle and "natural" feeling which i like a lot better Than hardcore, mind-bending potency.
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SteveRogers
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LoveNaborFuckHater said: How would you know which is more potent than the next?
How do you think man?
I grow whole monos of clone candidates. Give samples to ten people. Get reviews. Then continue that line of genetics or put it our back in the compost pile to let it do its thing until it dies naturally.
Im guessing thats what dealers do. Carefully genetic isolating. its not that home growers cannot do it, its just growers like me just havent done all the work to make those potent isolates.
Im sure i could get dealer grade if i really tried (maybe). Im not the best grower thou.
I will say that my homegrowns are much more gentle and "natural" feeling which i like a lot better Than hardcore, mind-bending potency.
I have argued this point for hours today. Guess what? 99% of "dealers" you know are middle men. Not even. Middle middle middle middle middle men. They guy that really grows them DOES put the time and effort into the hobby. Which you do not. Myself, as well as many many others on this site work very hard to produce high quality genetics and repeatable results.
If you have never grown your own PLEASE stop commenting on this stuff.
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tryptkaloids
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you guys are missing the point. its genetics. wild mushrooms are just that. wild. most "dealer shrooms" are from spores bought from a vendor who has isolated potent shrooms after many generations of selective cloning.. they are more potent because their ancestors were more potent than 'wild mushrooms'
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Most people I know with large operations grow off clones and not isolates anyway. The solution is to grow something with the name penis in it and your mushrooms will be stronger than regular cubes. At the end of the day though a cube is a cube unless it is penile. Ive grown multispore on CVG plenty of times and never recieved a single complaint. The whole concept is preposterous, but if you are really concerned grow pe6 or pe and your shit will be better than most of the other stuff in your town. You don't have to be a mycologist to grow mushrooms that will split someone's skull open. You just have to read and grow. Isolates take a longtime to test and find one viable. Sometimes it's 1 out of 30 could even be worse from what I've read.
If you really want a bomb ass isolate start with a clone of a cluster and then isolate from there. It's not rocket appliances...so easy a stupid hippie can do it.
Hope you enjoyed your trip OP. I will never pay a dime for mushrooms when they are so easy to grow for yourself.
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SteveRogers
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tryptkaloids said: you guys are missing the point. its genetics. wild mushrooms are just that. wild. most "dealer shrooms" are from spores bought from a vendor who has isolated potent shrooms after many generations of selective cloning.. they are more potent because their ancestors were more potent than 'wild mushrooms'
WTF HAVE I BEEN SAYING???????
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LoveNaborFuckHater
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I eventually want to put as much time as I can into growing to be able to isolate, clone, bulk grow, work with different species, and experiment with everything in between. Unfortunately I'm not able to at this point but I look foward to it. For now I can research as much as possible to prepare myself when I'm able to commit myself more fully to growing. You develop such a deep respect for mushrooms by growing them and understand it. It's a passion I want to be able to chase.
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