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OfflineMagicFingers
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First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation.
    #21953915 - 07/16/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So far I have had some experience with cakes. I even turned some cakes into some spawn to do a small 6QT "dubtub". I also did a 12QT which had sad results I think mainly because my substrate level was too low. I've done a lot of research and decided it was time to try a monotub.

I decided to stick with the basics. WBS soaked with gypsum for the spawn. I used Coir+Verm+Gypsum for the substrate. Which was properly pasteurized.

To avoid an additional chance for contam I decided to stay away from a casing. Doing research it seems that cubes don't really need to be cased anyway.

As expected the spawn was inoculated with MS. I am looking to do some agar work in the near future. Still trying to determine if I should do a clone or start with a isolation and then move onto cloning.

The tub has been colonizing for 10 days now. I decided to give it a few extra days to take a full hold on the substrate. I've heard some people wait even longer but I think 10 days should be good. It colonized VERY fast!

I just put the tub into fruiting conditions. Here is what it looks like as of now.



I'll update as things progress!

Let me know what you think or if you have any questions! Input is always appreciated! :::)


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: MagicFingers]
    #21953927 - 07/16/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looks great. Start with cloning. A nice cluster from this grow. :wink:


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21954600 - 07/17/15 02:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Casings are not an extra vector for contam.

Cubes don't need to be cased, but they pretty much always benefit from one.


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: Buck513]
    #21954607 - 07/17/15 02:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Now, casing a monotub...that's just putting a layer 1/4" thick of just Verm over the substrate? Or doing another 1/4” of a substrate....cuz the roll of just Verm on cakes is a casing also....correct? Gonna be watching this post, starting wbs sat. And very interested. Looks good though. Please keep updated :smile:


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: bburnett227]
    #21954617 - 07/17/15 02:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thickness of casing layers depends on several things.
1/4in should be fine, but things like PE enjoy thicker casings.

You can case with plain ole verm, coir, doesn't really matter. People just case with what their personal preference is, and what they have at hand.

Experiment, see what you like best.


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: Buck513]
    #21954747 - 07/17/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you case with coir it's not a casing, eh? Cuz it's a nutritive layer that just prevents your wbs from being exposed.


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: shaggyp]
    #21954756 - 07/17/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think most people would recommend not leaving exposed grain. I'm sure it's good advice but I'm too lazy to follow it.


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: Buck513]
    #21955189 - 07/17/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I still have some extra coir and verm. I guess I could pasteurize some real quick and add a casing..

I was thinking that my next round I'll do a couple tubs with spawn that came from a good isolated clone. So then I can really see the difference between a casing and no casing.

But in all honesty I've read a lot of people saying they had issues with casings through the years and decided not to do it. I just don't want to add another chance for problems.


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21955200 - 07/17/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I should probably just do some research before I ask. But at what point would I do the clone with the cluster? When the cluster is mature or in the beginning stages? I'll order up some agar, dishes, and supplies now.


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: MagicFingers]
    #21955216 - 07/17/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

either one is fine to clone from.
smaller pins tend to run out faster.

regardless of how/when/what u clone, u should still run out some test spawn and fruit it to determine if its worth keeping around or not.


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: shaggyp]
    #21955224 - 07/17/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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shaggyp said:
If you case with coir it's not a casing, eh? Cuz it's a nutritive layer that just prevents your wbs from being exposed.




you can case with coir just fine


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21955279 - 07/17/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So you would suggest doing a small 6QT tub with the test spawn? To see if I get the pinset I'm looking for? I haven't had a lot of experience so I'm not sure what I should expect.

This was my result from my last 6QT tub with MS spawned from cakes. This was also a combination of a couple variations.

https://files.shroomery.org/files/15-25/489714052-20150620_180534.jpg


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: MagicFingers]
    #21955288 - 07/17/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if ur just starting out, best thing to do is over produce spawn and work with agar, work on dialing in tubs and how to identify good fruiting conditions.

even if u had the best cube culture ever, if u can't do the above things, its of no use to you.


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21955296 - 07/17/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

blindingleaf said:
if ur just starting out, best thing to do is over produce spawn and work with agar, work on dialing in tubs and how to identify good fruiting conditions.

even if u had the best cube culture ever, if u can't do the above things, its of no use to you.




Very well stated, leaf. The best cultivators can stilll get decent results from less than favorable genetics. Just remember MF, genetics are more like a potential. Without proper conditions, even good gentics can give you crappy results.


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: insanemike]
    #21955485 - 07/17/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, that's why I have been doing a ton of research before I did anything. Just like anything else, experience is the best way to learn. I've already made a few mistakes that I've learned from. isn't that the fun part?! Aside from having poor results, at least you learn!

This is my first monotub. So I need to figure out how to create the best conditions. I've been following some good teks like Franks and others.

Field capacity, depth, FAE, correct lighting, etc.

The tub has 6 holes. 2 on each long side right at the substrate level stuffed tight with polyfil and the short sides up high stuffed lightly. I'm hoping this creates proper FAE. I do have a fan in the room but not facing the tub. I also have a space heater set at 72. 6500k daylight bulb.

Anything else critical I'm missing? I'm going to keep an eye on the substrate to make sure it doesn't dry up.

I've seen some controversy on misting/fanning. I've read a good monotub doesn't need any manual work. I think right now my moisture level looks very good. So i'm definitely not going to mist. But I did do a quick fan when I put it into fruiting. Thoughts?


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: MagicFingers]
    #21955782 - 07/17/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Stuffing giant holes with polyfil is not an exact science so you may find yourself adjusting numerous times during a grow cycle to keep conditions ideal. It all comes down to ambient room temp and rh fluctuations in your grow room with shorter fluctuations being the most ideal. Frank's teks are a great source for information so keep reading up on his shit and you should be alright.


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: insanemike]
    #21957388 - 07/17/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Except you don't want to stuff holes as tight as possible when you aren't using a fan. Just keep that in mind when reading Franks teks.


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: Munchauzen]
    #21957416 - 07/17/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

you can case with coir just fine



Quote:

Munchauzen said:
Quote:

shaggyp said:
If you case with coir it's not a casing, eh? Cuz it's a nutritive layer that just prevents your wbs from being exposed.




you can case with coir just fine



What I mean is you CAN use coir as a top layer with cubes and get great results but it's technically a nutritive layer. It will be colonized and used by the myc. Casings are by definition non nutritive and only used to hold moisture to the surface.

This is all just information my brain cut and pasted from RRs posts. I am not the master on casing, just parroting the master.

The importance of this "technicality" (I believe, keeping in mind I'm just paraphrasing RR) is that when you are working with a species that NEEDS a casing, coir is not going to cut it, you'll need to use an actual casing layer. And you don't case after colonization in this case, you just treat the coir layer as the substrate since it IS the substrate and add it when you're first mixing your bulk.

RRs method, btw, is to use a layer of coir.


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21957443 - 07/17/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm just now getting into casing myself... I want to experiment with "jiffy mix" soon...but for my current Mini-Monos... I'm going to try different mixtures of Vermiculite/Coir...properly pasteurized, not bucketed...I think if you properly pasteurize a casing layer and take reasonable precautions...It shouldn't open you up to risk of Contamination...more experienced growers correct me if need be.
My first casing will be applied in a few days...I've seen 80/20 and 50/50 Coir/Verm...I would think more Verm would be beneficial, because it retains water so well...*side note* using very fine Vermiculite.
Good job Magic fingers...keep us updated.:goodluck:


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Re: First Monotub! "FA" Fatass variation. [Re: shaggyp]
    #21957446 - 07/17/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

shaggyp said:
just parroting the master.




There's your first mistake.
RR has a lot of good info, but he's also got a shitload of bad info that he eventually walked himself down from.

Coir makes a great casing. You can case with just about anything. Straight up dirt if you want.


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