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Bulk Growing PE and PAN Cyan
    #21953541 - 07/16/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

hey guys, I have some Penis Envy spores as well as Pan Cyan spores and I want to make the most out of them, and want to bulk them in monotubs.

now, the first questions I have are regarding the penis envy. For some reason I have seen a lot of people say its hard to grow them or whatever.

I need to know:  Will a basic grain spawn with coir/verm substrate work fine for them? 

when it comes to casing them, what should I case the tub with for the best results?


Pan Cyan

I also want to spawn these to bulk, I plan on using grains as well.

What is different about growing pans regarding temperature and environment than cubes.

What should I be worried about avoiding when it comes to them.

again, will a coir/verm mix work well for them? and again, what casing layer should I use.


I do not have access to hpoo(or any poo) at the moment, everything else I pretty much do, so what should I use.


Please, if you have any tips/tricks you used or advice you followed when growing these two strains, please let me know, it would be greatly appreciated. I really want these two tubs to be successful


Arent Pan CYans one of the most potent shrooms around?


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Re: Bulk Growing PE and PAN Cyan [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21953582 - 07/16/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you can't get a horse poop for the pans
then you should use straw


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Re: Bulk Growing PE and PAN Cyan [Re: nobody83]
    #21953613 - 07/16/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

so basically its a must to use hpoo or straw for pans.


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Re: Bulk Growing PE and PAN Cyan [Re: nobody83]
    #21953632 - 07/16/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Penis Envy: Its a cube, so any cube tek will work for it. It's a slower growing cube in my experience though. Also, your first flush might mutate. Casing can help but no guarantees. Later flushes usually don't mutate.

Pan. Cyan: You're going to need either a poo variety or straw. Poo is easier to work with as straw can be difficult to keep from contaming even after correct pasteurization. They need a lot more FAE than cubes. They also must be cased. They are easier to grow in trays in a fruiting chamber but I have seen monos work as well. Keep your substrate level around the 2-3 inch mark.

Also, yes pans are more potent than cubes.


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Re: Bulk Growing PE and PAN Cyan [Re: blaQk]
    #21953689 - 07/16/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Pan. Cyan: You're going to need either a poo variety or straw.




They can also be fruited off of straight grain. You must case it of course but I have seen people grow pans in both trays and v-tek. A diverse substrate is always beneficial for both cubes and pans. Plain cvg is going to be underwhelming. Cubes of course are more tenacious.

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Poo is easier to work with as straw can be difficult to keep from contaming even after correct pasteurization.




For better results with straw one needs to ensure that it is cut fine. It needs to be an inch maximum and smaller is better. You also want a high spawn ratio when spawning to straw. It also generates a lot of heat so keep the temps for spawn run lower. I think that is a big reason people have issues with it.

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They also must be cased.




Actually this is not accurate in the same way that agaricus need to be. But due to the high FAE needs, a casing is going to be needed by most growers.

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Keep your substrate level around the 2-3 inch mark.




IME 3 inches is way too deep unless your fruiting a very large sub. I would to 1-1.5 inches for trays, 1.5-2 inches for mini monos, 2-2.5 for a 66 quart.


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Re: Bulk Growing PE and PAN Cyan [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21953810 - 07/16/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was thinking of trying to grow the pans in a tray before moving to a mono as well.  but what your saying Is no need mix with a sub just pour the spawn str8 in the tray and case, then fruit?

I am going to try very hard to get hpoo because it seems to be a necessity for pans.


the holes on my monotubs are at about the 4 inch mark, so I think ill be fine in terms of the sub level. The tubs are 66qt. so I was thinking it would be about 3 inches with the casing layer on.

Pasty, I do have a question about my trays though. I am going to be using 6qt trays(its what I bought because I didn't know what else to get) and I was thinking I had to fill the entire 6qt up, so I made almost 12 jars of spawn for my 2 6qt trays, which in my thought still wouldn't be enough.  Basically, how much spawn:sub should I use for a 6qt tub?  I mean I was thinking a 1:2 ratio would be fine since im growing cubes this time(pans are a almost 1:1).  So, what percentage of spawn:sub would you use for the 6qt tubs?


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Re: Bulk Growing PE and PAN Cyan [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21962094 - 07/18/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Would this recipie be good for casing the PE in a 66qt tub

1qt jiffy mix
1qt verm
1% hydrated lime
2tablespoon gypsum


For the Pan Cyan I was thinking

(I need help with actual amounts)

50% verm
25% jiffy
25% peat
spoonful of hydrated lime

Substrate recipie:


PE: Using 5qt spawn so id need 9 or 10qt of substrate? IF not what is the correct ratio?

650g brick of coir
2.5qt verm
5qt water
2-3tablespoons of gypsum

Pan Cyan:

hpoo/verm/gypsum substrate would be good right?

I am using 5qt of spawn in a 66qt tub, so it basically would be a 1:2 ratio of spawn to sub so 5qt spawn 10qt sub right?

Can someone with some pan cyan growing experience give me the recipe they use to grow them?


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