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Re: Any evidence for chakra system? [Re: Kurt]
    #21977932 - 07/21/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Any evidence for chakra system? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21977986 - 07/21/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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For example, the act of seeing a horse qualifies as a mental experience, whether one sees the horse in person, in a dream, or in a hallucination. 'Bracketing' the horse suspends any judgement about the horse as noumenon, and instead analyses the phenomenon of the horse in the human mind.




Happened to read that while watching the intro to Bojack Horseman. :lol: Great link.


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Re: Any evidence for chakra system? [Re: Middleman]
    #21977993 - 07/21/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Synchronicity! :yesnod:


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Re: Any evidence for chakra system? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21978500 - 07/22/15 12:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well, I actually took a look at his Ideas and I think I may keep going with it. :-) I am finding I am able to read this unlike his Cartesian Meditations which for some reason I was told to begin with a while ago and found impossible, and intractably Cartesian in spirit.

Anyway the wiki is clear, and I appreciate the gesture to Kant. Husserl seems to be designating the neumenon or thing in itself, while at the same time not fundamentally ascribing it, but ascribing the content of the inversion, in further involution (bracketing)

So for example, as I take it, in Husserl's thought a dream could be phenomenal itself, while perhaps Kant's parlay (which could only involve itself in one sort of implied "thing") could thereby only be with things in their implied material content. So bracketing could be useful to describe visceral energetic-like experiences that occur in dreams, for anyone has experienced anything like that.

I'd say this is basically what I have been saying up to this point (without using brackets which in turn must clearly indicate the idiosyncracy - or perhaps solipsism or yes borderline "autism" of an idea... as you were saying :lol:).

In that sense, I'd say it is basic function of phenomenology to find such manner of ascription of what is contained, (but possibly commonly experienced) as personal experience. I don't see the possibility of this technicality being anything fundamental. Phenomenology is the efficient means at communicating personal experiences in a synthetic or logical way.

People have superimposed representations of visual, or other sensations of colors or sounds, or other feelings upon charts of the body, or specifically the bundles of nerves in the CNS, in a way that has generally found a common consensus one way or another in personal experience.

This would be putting phenomena in the bracketed frame of reference, which we acknowledge as representation, and yet still can find useful as representation. (Or bracketing is "take it or leave it" content). Basically if you have experienced something somewhat the same, but it is not self evident, or something you just look at to confirm in a literal way, like by looking at the chart, these framed representations could be useful.

So, my conclusion about bracketing is that not a ding en sich, or neumenon, but surrounding practices must be considered key, for any of this to suggest any convenience, while at the same time turning toward further involution (bracketing)...

As I understand Husserl was seeking a western scientific achievement, which means he was looking for a fundamental representation of the world. I wonder where that search took him? I will be reading up. Appreciate the reference.

Thanks for the reference and genuine guidance Markos. I believe a thing or two may be learned from the elders, I don't deny that, even if I do also value and cleave to personal experience.


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Re: Any evidence for chakra system? [Re: Kurt]
    #21979598 - 07/22/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have always had my elders. In fact, I recently reconnected with a very influential college professor for the first time in 40 years. He was always a 19th century man at heart, and introduced me to William James, Walt Whitman, R.M. Bucke (indirectly and in connection), philosophy of mind, philosophy of surrealism, Freud's The Interpretations of Dreams (in connection to the Surrealist movement), philosophy of anarchy, and Bohemian life in general. Meanwhile, over 40 years, I became old and hence an elder myself. This does not preclude learning from my juniors, which I routinely do as most of my current acquaintances in real-time are younger than me, sometimes by half my age. If I cannot learn from a younger, the relationship is not friendship, it is teacher-student - not something I want to cultivate outside of a classroom, and I haven't taught college or grad school for many years.


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